Squeezing the PC muscle vs the AS (anal sphincter)

Hey @sfman ,

I've read that it's important to be able to articulate one muscle or the other.

I advocate this. It was the key skill that did the trick for me reaching my first Super-O. 🙂

Right now I can sort of pick which muscle to tighten and release but not always and not so easily.

Yep, this takes time and practice. A hard surface to sit on can be helpful too, because it provides some feedback. In my post in the "My First Super Orgasm"- thread, I shared a bit in depth experience (see the section: Remarks on the pelvic floor).

What is your experience working with those two muscles?

It's not just two muscles but more than 10! You just did not learn to control them individually yet. I'll copy-paste the most important parts regarding your question from the mentioned post:

Watch these videos, learn the muscles and learn to control them individually (really... do it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3BBAMWm2Eo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Ax3rLFc6M

After around 3 weeks of regular kegel- workouts (3 times a day, 20-30 reps) I began to develop the skill to distinguish the different muscles down there. Before that, it was generally one big muscle to me. The only muscle I could differ from the rest, was the anal sphincter. The various muscles are different in size and strengh and therefore they fatigue at different rates. Regarding this, when you squeeze your pelvic floor after a workout, they react differntly fast. From that point on, you try to address only the muscle that reacts first until you can control it at will. Repeat this accordingly with the second fastest muscle and so on... until you can control all of them.

Cheers, Unfug

Hey @sfman ,

Yep, this takes time and practice. A hard surface to sit on can be helpful too, because it provides some feedback. In my post in the "My First Super Orgasm"- thread, I shared a bit in depth experience (see the section: Remarks on the pelvic floor).
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Cheers, Unfug

@Unfug I reread your post "My First Super Orgasm" and I found it most inspiring! I had read it a few years ago but I was not Aneros-mature enough to appreciate it.

By now, you must be able to attain SOs at will.

Thanks for the link.

@Unfug Are you truly able to discern all those muscles from one another and flex/relax each one in succession? If so how did you learn to do it? These videos seem like a good anatomy lesson, but aren't a method for learning to control each muscle. Have you elaborated on your method anywhere?

I use muscles down there in an intuitive way. That is, if I start flexing/relaxing in a certain way that feels really good, I continue until it builds into an orgasm (or not), and make a mental note of the movement. I was unaware that there were that many muscles down there however, but it makes sense given the diversity of movements I have discovered through trial and error.

@divine_oblivion @Unfug I have been using Aneros devices for over 6 years and it is only recently that I have noticed that I can "mentally" contract the PC muscle separately. It is often almost a virtual feeling of contracting. When I try to sense if the device moves, I don't actually see much movement. I had advocated trying to do this "in my mind" several years ago, but only recently has it become something that I can do consistently, just by relaxing and thinking of moving the device--all without actually contracting the AS.

@Armon-neat I know what you mean there, as I do a lot of mental “contractions” of my PCs with what seems like no muscle movement, but then it turns into actually very low level contractions. But that is often without a toy. I shall attempt with, though toy in I rarely get to a completely relaxed state. In general my PC muscles seem to be the major pleasure generators for me.

Have just recently been able to control individually the PC and AS muscles. It has escalated pleasure to next level! Not a lot of movement as Armon pointed out but
very discernible. Have been using heavier devices from Njoy which has helped develop and exercise the different muscle groups. Feels really good when you can sense the different subtle movements as they build intense feelings. When you add nipple play or other pleasurable touch, you will be amazed at what may happen!

Thanks, Unfug, and others for your engagement. I've started playing with isolating my PC muscle. When I squeeze it (it's a very small movement) I can feel some "flushing" in my body (mostly my legs) as if there were a draft/wind inside my body. Interesting. I'll keep it up and work on increasing my focus and in relaxing.

Hey guys,

@GGringo

By now, you must be able to attain SOs at will.

More or less yes. I learned a few new things since this post. 🙂

"At will" is rather unprecise though. I can meditate myself to orgasm w/o musclework or breathwork, so I guess this qualifies. As you would expect, It won't work if I'm not in the mood / aroused or stressed. I noticed, that over the course of weeks there are phases of higher and lower arousal. When I'm in a very susceptible state, I even get a handfull spontaneous energy-orgasms during the day - especially when I wake up or fall asleep (esp. true for afternoon naps)

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@divine_oblivion

Are you truly able to discern all those muscles from one another and flex/relax each one in succession?

I did not train this skill anymore, so it would take a few seconds to minutes to successfully clench a specific muscle. In Aneros-Sessions, I just go with the flow. When something feels especially good, I'm able to not lose it or build it up further, since I can address the concerned muscle intuitively.

If so how did you learn to do it? These videos seem like a good anatomy lesson, but aren't a method for learning to control each muscle. Have you elaborated on your method anywhere?

In the quoted comment right below the videos. The videos are for orientation, so that you get an idea what's there and where it's located. Since you can't get a visual validation which muscle you are clenching, that's your only tool to somewhat identify them.

For seperating the different muscles, start with a regular workout. After 2-3 weeks of that, you can start to practice separation right after a workout. The muscles fatigue differently fast, so when you do a slow clench on the tired out pelvic floor, the strongest muscle will react earlier and more distinct than the others. Monitor how it feels and where the movement is located. You isolated one muscle with a very low intensity clench, now you have to work your way up from there. Relax slowly, while you concentrate on how the isolated muscle feels and reacts. Don't relax completely - you want to always feel the isolated muscle. When you got to a point where you think you can't relax further w/o "losing" the muscle, start to slowly increase the clench again. This time clench a tiny bit harder but in a way, that the other muscles won't get involved. Repeat until you can clench the isoltated muscle fully while the other muscles stay relaxed.... and voilá: isolated muscle control. Now repeat the procedure with the muscle that reacts second to an overall clench... and so on. Completing this may take another 2-3 weeks.

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@sfman

I've started playing with isolating my PC muscle. When I squeeze it (it's a very small movement) I can feel some "flushing" in my body (mostly my legs) as if there were a draft/wind inside my body. Interesting. I'll keep it up and work on increasing my focus and in relaxing.

Great, keep us posted! 🙂

I continue to practice gently squeezing and relaxing my PC muscle a few times and I do that a number of times a day. I always get a little bit of flushing and I sometimes get mild involuntary contractions as well. I have a Helix Trident. Is it worth inserting that and seeing how that affects sensations or should I build up the sensation without the Trident? Thanks.

@sfman Well, my newfound ability just seem to crop up, though I've been riding on for the last 1 plus years pretty regularly--with mixed results--often when i didn't expect it. One of the most important factors for me is having had adequate rest. As far as "A-less" pleasure, there are guys who have that so well mastered, it is amazing. I have recently had some very surprising A-less sessions on my way to sleep.
Cheers to all.

@Unfug very informative videos thanks.
I didn’t realise there were so many muscles.
I have worked on the ‘hammock’ from day 1 as per quick and dirty path advice about locating and manipulating pelvic muscles independently. I can pin point specific areas along it and contract in a domino effect,or like the curl that runs along battle ropes in a the gym. It did take a long time tho to gain any sort of proficiency. My bulbocavenosos always gives out first followed by the perineals,lol the AS just don’t die ever ;).

Hey @Tommygunn ,

I didn’t realise there were so many muscles.

I can pin point specific areas along it and contract in a domino effect,or like the curl that runs along battle ropes in a the gym.

Nice analogy! Play around with that domino-clench, you may spark some nice sensations. 😉
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