Rewired users: Was semen retention a factor?

@CollectingSmiles Not sure how long it took, but when I started with Aneros, I played by the rules........hands off the penis! It worked! Now I'm doing SR all the time and am also into "pseudo-chastity". I get hornier by the day; it's up to me to decide when to ejaculate. Usually my "blue balls" will let me know it's time.

No. I didn't abstain from ejaculation, but rather didn't ejaculate within 6 hours of a session.

... did abstaining from ejaculation play a role in achieving your first hands-free dry orgasm? If so, do you remember approximately how long it took?

Looking back that's difficult for me to answer, I was aware of the increased arousal effects that semen retention induced prior to my beginning Aneros usage. However, I didn't start to employ that knowledge until after reading the importance of being well aroused prior to starting an Anerosession. I can't remember exactly how long it took for me to reach my first dry-O, probably somewhere around my 10th session and I wasn't really practicing semen retention at that time, though I was extending the average time between ejaculations by a day or two. After achieving my first Super-O's I noticed that my desire to go for ejaculatory orgasms started to decrease gradually as I was more frequently able to achieve dry-O's (though not Super-O's) in my Anerosessions. I believe temporal abstinence, semen retention, chastity or whatever you want to call it does have an impact on heightening one's arousal and that heightened arousal will accelerate the rewiring to achieve dry-O's & Super-O's (see the threads Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence & Are you "aroused"?). Over the years, my ejaculatory frequency has decreased to about once every six weeks or so but I do perform a prostate milking about every ten days. I've found this regime to be a good balance to keeping arousal levels high and avoiding the precipitous drop in arousal due to the refractory period following an ejaculatory orgasm. At my age (69), it takes 3-4 days for my arousal level to recover following an ejaculatory orgasm so I minimize that occurrence but still want to maintain prostate/muscle functionality. Good Vibes to You !

@CollectingSmilesUsually my "blue balls" will let me know it's time.

Do you happen to know how long that usually takes on average? I don't think I've ever actually experienced "blue balls." As of writing this, I'm on day 8, which is longer than I've ever gone in the 17 years since I figured out how to orgasm, and all I feel so far is slightly moody.

No. I didn't abstain from ejaculation, but rather didn't ejaculate within 6 hours of a session.

Six hours before, or six hours after? Or both? ...Just incase I decide that semen retention isn't for me.

I do perform a prostate milking about every ten days.

That reminds me: I've experimented with prostate massaging in the past, but have never been able to produce any leakage. I also don't precum. Are those things related? Is that abnormal?

Again, thanks to everyone for your responses!

I've experimented with prostate massaging in the past, but have never been able to produce any leakage. I also don't precum. Are those things related? Is that abnormal?

IMHO, precum production (Cowper's gland secretion) and prostate gland fluid production are not substantially related, I have never been much of a precum leaker either so I don't think it is abnormal at all. Prostate milking can take some time to learn, I'd advise you to give yourself at least two weeks of abstinence before trying to milk yourself.

Self “milking” with the Aneros via ‘hands free’ manipulation is difficult as one usually needs to be very relaxed for the ejaculatory ducts to open and allow the fluids to flow out of the prostate. The stronger, more vigorous, muscular contractions needed to effectively move the massager create a level of tension which is antithetical to the relaxation of the gland ducts. It is possible to train the various muscle groups to alternately relax and contract to accomplish a “milking” but it will take practice. It is unnecessary to employ strong muscle contractions with your Aneros use as a “massager” to generate orgasmic feelings, hence you can employ it for many hours without triggering a “milking” response.

'Milking' your prostate of seminal fluids can be learned. You can read a short paragraph about Prostate Milking in the “Your Body” chapter of the Aneros WIKI. You can read a longer treatise on prostate milking technique and issues from Lady Lubyanka. There is also a well written blog by Andr. titled HOW TO MILK A BULL which gives step by step descriptions of the process.

My own experience has revealed the conditions need to be 'right' to accomplish a true "milking" using your Aneros and without using your hand to manipulate the massager. Generally, you need to be highly aroused, your prostate needs to be full and engorged due to arousal (an erect penis from edging is helpful but not mandatory). You should be on the high excitement plateau just before reaching the PONR (Point of No Return), then using your sphincter and PC muscles start performing very strong, rhythmic, slow paced contractions with total relaxation between contractions. It is important to maintain your arousal level, through penile stimulation if necessary, but don't take yourself to the point of ejaculatory inevitability (PONR). This may take a long time and be somewhat strenuous but you will eventually get the ejaculatory ducts to open and the drip, drip, drip of prostatic fluid. The process may not yield much fluid nor be intensely pleasurable in relationship to the amount of energy expended, it can be done, but Aneros devices (regardless of model or size) may not be the best tools for this particular activity. The best tool I've found for performing a real self "milking" is the Njoy 'Pure Wand'. I suspect having a professional masseuse do this would be much more pleasant as you could really just relax into the pleasurable release to be had. Good Vibes to You !

I have a theory

if you have sex with a partner,
you spend plenty sexual energy but it is OK
because you give it to your partner and you receive plenty in return

so in regard of your prostate massaging activity it is OK,
no negatif effect on the dry O's and super O's,
on the contrary, you sexual energy is renewed, so your
dry O's are renewed too

but if you dont have sexual activity with a partner
but only masturbate then you spend plenty sexual energy
and doesnt receive any in return,
it is going to affect your dry O's, they are going to be less and less strong

you have to break this vicious circle:
the more you masturbate day after day, the less stronger are your dry O's going to be,
and the less stronger your dry O's are, the more you are going to feel the need to jack off

if you break the vicious circle, it is difficult only the first days (let's say the first two weeks) because after ,
you build up stronger and stronger dry O's, so the less you are going to feel the need to masturbate

of course you should not watch porn because if you do,
you break this fragile balance

myself I didnt masturbate for months and I dont have any sexual partner,
but I have prostate session everyday day and everyday my dry O's are stronger,
it just incredible, there seems to be no limits

My own experience...

Firstly, thank your for your continued advice. I see you replying to so many threads and I do appreciate your time.

You may remember in my very first post not long ago, I mentioned my one orgasm limit. Over the last few years, I've learned to extend my sessions by getting extremely close to orgasm, but not quite triggering the contractions. This seems to "open the pipes" as you put it. It almost never fails, and by doing this, I release quite a bit of semen (maybe half an ejaculation's volume), which effectively delays full orgasm. Then I clean up and get back to it. A bit like this user's stroking videos, though not nearly as frequent or regular.

Is that anything like what you're referring to?

Over the last few years, I've learned to extend my sessions by getting extremely close to orgasm, but not quite triggering the contractions. This seems to "open the pipes" as you put it. It almost never fails, and by doing this, I release quite a bit of semen (maybe half an ejaculation's volume), which effectively delays full orgasm. Then I clean up and get back to it.
Is that anything like what you're referring to?

What you describe sounds more like a 'ruined orgasm' which can be one aspect of erotic sexual denial. Prostate 'milking' generally requires a more relaxed technique to accomplish a similar seminal release though the effect of maintaining a residual arousal level after the emission seems similar as well. Perhaps another way to accomplish the same goal. Good Vibes to You !

I would say so in the beginng but nothing to serious. Waiting a week or so always seemed to help me but now if I retain now, it only causes me to get distracted during a session.

[...] did abstaining from ejaculation play a role [...]?

Though not having achieved a HFWO with Aneros yet, my successful 40-day-challenge of SR lately raised my aurosal to new levels, giving abstaining from ejaculation a big role in connection with my journey.

Since then I refuse to count my days during SR any longer. Thus abandoning exercising restraint, my edging sessions became more exciting and dangerous, as far as ejaculation is concerned.

As learned from some sites about femdom, I decided to keep my arousal state high by ending my edging session ruined. While polishing my glans with coconut oil I already confirmed to myself, like the dominas tell their slaves, if I would dare to cum it would become a ruined orgasm. During the session I, too, considered if I should add CEI (cum eating instructions) to my self-humiliation.

After a night of edging to some porn sites on the web at around five o'clock in the morning I couldn't bear it any longer. I finally added some last firm strokes until only pulling forcefully back my foreskin skipped me over the PONR. With a tumbler at hand stopping any further masturbating immediately, only still pulling back my foreskin, I catched my big load of four or five squirts.

Looking at that spoonful of white semen fluid I felt a half minute of refractory period and concurrently a certain reluctance to fullfil my second voluntary self-commitment until my arousal was back. During that half minute I already casted away the idea of CEI as often before after a wet orgasm enjoyed to the full. But after that half minute my arousal was back and I obeyed my instructions without hesitation. I take that as a proof that ruined orgasms similar to prostate milking of semen save up hormones and energy. After having slept until noon I am on a quite high arousal state all day, what to me is confirming my hyptohesis.

Best vibes and Happy Easter!

On your journey (however long or short), did abstaining from ejaculation play a role in achieving your first hands-free dry orgasm? If so, do you remember approximately how long it took?

Many thanks!

I attribute abstaining from ejaculation has the cornerstone of my sexual life. As I stated in another post I would constantly bring myself to ejaculation then stop. I initially did this because I came from a Catholic family and I was brainwashed in to thinking any form of sex other than procreation is a sin. So it was guilt which caused me to do abstaining. However I found out it was helping me so I kept doing it.

When you say dry-orgasm I imagine a non-penis orgasm. No touching. No stroking. One which occurs in relation to the prostate. Is that what you are talking about?

I attribute abstaining from ejaculation has the cornerstone of my sexual life. As I stated in another post I would constantly bring myself to ejaculation then stop. I initially did this because I came from a Catholic family and I was brainwashed in to thinking any form of sex other than procreation is a sin. So it was guilt which caused me to do abstaining. However I found out it was helping me so I kept doing it.

When you say dry-orgasm I imagine a non-penis orgasm. No touching. No stroking. One which occurs in relation to the prostate. Is that what you are talking about?

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

My second attempt at semen retention lasted 11 days, and I didn't see any real benefit. I expected to be horny out of my mind, more susceptible to prostate play, but all I felt was an unpleasant ache in my groin during the last two days, which is why I stopped. My experience so far with semen retention is definitely negative. The only positive thing was the explosive ejaculation when I broke my abstinence period. If I make it that far again, I plan on recording the results, because wow.

IMHO, precum production (Cowper's gland secretion) and prostate gland fluid production are not substantially related, I have never been much of a precum leaker either so I don't think it is abnormal at all. Prostate milking can take some time to learn, I'd advise you to give yourself at least two weeks of abstinence before trying to milk yourself.

Self “milking” with the Aneros via ‘hands free’ manipulation is difficult as one usually needs to be very relaxed for the ejaculatory ducts to open and allow the fluids to flow out of the prostate. The stronger, more vigorous, muscular contractions needed to effectively move the massager create a level of tension which is antithetical to the relaxation of the gland ducts. It is possible to train the various muscle groups to alternately relax and contract to accomplish a “milking” but it will take practice. It is unnecessary to employ strong muscle contractions with your Aneros use as a “massager” to generate orgasmic feelings, hence you can employ it for many hours without triggering a “milking” response.

'Milking' your prostate of seminal fluids can be learned. You can read a short paragraph about Prostate Milking in the “Your Body” chapter of the Aneros WIKI. You can read a longer treatise on prostate milking technique and issues from Lady Lubyanka. There is also a well written blog by Andr. titled HOW TO MILK A BULL which gives step by step descriptions of the process.

My own experience has revealed the conditions need to be 'right' to accomplish a true "milking" using your Aneros and without using your hand to manipulate the massager. Generally, you need to be highly aroused, your prostate needs to be full and engorged due to arousal (an erect penis from edging is helpful but not mandatory). You should be on the high excitement plateau just before reaching the PONR (Point of No Return), then using your sphincter and PC muscles start performing very strong, rhythmic, slow paced contractions with total relaxation between contractions. It is important to maintain your arousal level, through penile stimulation if necessary, but don't take yourself to the point of ejaculatory inevitability (PONR). This may take a long time and be somewhat strenuous but you will eventually get the ejaculatory ducts to open and the drip, drip, drip of prostatic fluid. The process may not yield much fluid nor be intensely pleasurable in relationship to the amount of energy expended, it can be done, but Aneros devices (regardless of model or size) may not be the best tools for this particular activity. The best tool I've found for performing a real self "milking" is the Njoy 'Pure Wand'. I suspect having a professional masseuse do this would be much more pleasant as you could really just relax into the pleasurable release to be had.

@rumel
Hi rumel,

The article you posted "HOW TO MILK A BULL" is very interesting!
The information on arousal and milking techniques are totally new to me, and got me thinking about many things.

In the paragraph about arousal, the author mentioned that
"...testes turn on the other genital glands and are the key of the entire genital apparatus"

Before reading the article, I've never paid much attention to the testicles in my whole life.
I thought they're just there to produce sperm.
Could this mean that testicles massage is an efficient method to jump start the prostate, and prepare it for an Aneros session?

(Update:
In the last session, I started with testicles massage for quite some time.
It seemed that my arousal and testosterone level did start to ramp up as I massaged them.
I felt energetic and full of sexual desire.
Eventually, several small A-less dryO started to kick in.
I then inserted a MGX.
After a few seconds of relaxation, BANG, I got hit with waves after waves of strong dryO.
I'm not sure if that was a result from testicles massage, or from 2 days of rest.
I'll keep on experimenting.)

Also, the author made clear distinctions between precum, prostate fluid, and seminal vesicles fluid.
How we can tell which one is coming out of the penis?
Since 3 different glands are involved, how does one feel when each gland is massaged?
During an Aneros session, is it possible to tell the differences?
Is it possible to shift the mental focus to each one?
It is possible to "change the direction" of an Aneros session by changing the mental focus?

Thanks

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

My second attempt at semen retention lasted 11 days, and I didn't see any real benefit. I expected to be horny out of my mind, more susceptible to prostate play, but all I felt was an unpleasant ache in my groin during the last two days, which is why I stopped. My experience so far with semen retention is definitely negative. The only positive thing was the explosive ejaculation when I broke my abstinence period. If I make it that far again, I plan on recording the results, because wow.

Yep. Most guys don't realize that just 4 days of no masturbation will yield amazing results. When I was very young I went 30 days with out masturbation but I never did that again. It wasn't worth the wait. Recently I went on a cruise and was so busy with the family and friends that I went 7 days. My wife and I didn't even have a chance to think about sex. We were so tired and if we had a moment with out kids we slept!!! Try saying that at the age of 18?

I usually wait 3-4 days before sex if I am abstaining. Any thing more is really annoying and causes that ache.

As for my dry orgasm, I don't compare it to a wet orgasm. There is no fluid involved. I usually build up to it either using a toy or none at all. The focus is the muscle groups to stimulate the prostate.

I think calling it "semen retention" is kind of unfortunate. In my experience, semen retention works not because you're retaining semen, but because you're avoiding the chemical release related to the refractory period. I had a weird experience some time ago where I was masturbating and completely out of nowhere I am hit with the refractory period but without orgasm or ejaculation. Yet the ill post-ejaculation effects still hit me. So to me it seems that trying to retain semen is pointless unless you're also avoiding the refractory period. I just thought I'd point that out.

Actually this made me wonder if "semen retention" is useful for certain women as well. It definitely seems like many women get the same type of refractory period from clitoral orgasm as men do. Perhaps some of these women would also gain benefit from avoiding the refractory period. This should be investigated further.