Prostate massage using njoy pure wand

@mv91 I have no experience with njoy. I came to the pleasurable aspects of prostate massage over a year ago because of bad case of prostatitis. If the simple High Island Health technique (using an Aneros device) hasn’t helped you, before jumping into a drug regime that’s sounds like it has bad side effects, you might consider trying to find a Naturopath (ND) who could prescribe herbs. You could have an infection that’s different from what I had, but for me the combination of herbs and using an Aneros therapeutically, cleared my prostatitis in about 2 1/2 months. I don’t remember what the combination of herbs were, but if you find a practitioner, it might be worth a try. 

Clarification: When I took the herbal formula and was doing prostate massage with a device, it was under the direction and observation of my Naturopath Doctor. 

Posted by: @mv91

I remember talking to a few people who used this wand when I had my old account on here. One of them said it’s good for prostate drainage/milking. I asked my urologist if it’s a good idea to use a tool like this and he told me he can’t give me any medical advice or make any comments about it because if I use the tool and end up hurting myself or cause permanent damage then he does not want to be held liable legally.

I can certainly understand your doctor's reluctance to recommend self prostate massage for liability reasons but you also need to remember prostate massage was the standard treatment for prostatitis prior to the development of modern antibiotics and is still a standard treatment in oriental medicine. I have often recommended the practice of prostate milking in numerous posts for various reasons (e.g. Chronic Prostatitis for 6 years with weak orgasms. Need advice on prostate milking).

Posted by: @mv91

My question, do you think the njoy pure wand tool is safe to use?

I own and use an Njoy 'Pure Wand' myself. IMHO, it is safe to use as long as you use good judgment, use it gently, slowly, allow your body to first get relaxed and self suggest your desire to release sequestered fluids. Imagine your prostate like ripe watermelon heart where just a slight pressure releases the juice. Do not use too much pressure but enough to coax your ejaculatory ducts to open.

Here are some more threads related to prostate milking/massage -> Prostate Milking, A question about milking, Safety of prostate massagers, Milking the prostate, Prostate Milking during semen retention, Prostate milking and Aneros usage.

I wish you the best of luck dealing with your troublesome prostatitis issue. I don't know if this regime combined with the medications will 'cure' your condition but I'm willing to bet it will lead to marked improvement.

Good Vibes to You!

@mv91 No medical advice is intended here,  etc.

The Njoy wand is a beautiful piece of equipment but could be used as a pry bar to lift your fridge, if you're clumsy it's true that you could hurt yourself. Just letting go of it while you are using the small end is not much fun because that thing is heavy and has some leverage.  What I would recommend in a heartbeat is a small acrylic or glass wand, you'll find them everywhere for under 40$. If you put the working end inside you and do a gentle "windshield wiper" with only a finger's pressure, you'll get exactly the motion you want. I attached a picture of what you would be looking for.

Disclaimer : Technically it COULD get all the way inside you since the stopper part is not that big but in the real world the risk is near zero since you'll never even get close to it and it's quite a step and you would have to push it hard... Some models have a different shape than the one in the picture so make sure you buy something that is safe for anal. 

Edit : rumel posted while I was typing and it looked like I was disagreeing with him. This is not so, I use the Njoy wand myself and like it a lot and it's safe in the right hands, since mv91 expressed some concern I thought a lighter and easier to manipulate alternative could be interesting. Play safe everyone !

First, by way of disclosure, I work for Aneros now and so I must mention that we are not medical professionals nor do we provide medical advice. The following relates to my own case only.

I too was afflicted with Chronic Prostatitis, for decades of my life. I posted on this 20 years ago in the forum (prior to working for Aneros) and I've discussed it in interviews I've done while working with the company. I had been through all of the first line antibiotic regimens (Septra/Bactrim,Cipro, Levaquin) and suffered the side effects and long term consequences of taking these medications (I am allergic to all of them now). I went through a half a dozen urologists and a number of holistic practitioners as well. In the end my relief came in the form of dietary restrictions (no alcohol, caffeine or spicy foods) and herbal supplementation with quercetin/bromelain/bee pollen (Q-Urol) combined with the regular use of the Aneros' original prostate massager. I should note that while I had experienced some benefit with the first two measures, it wasn't until the addition of the third that I discovered long-lasting results. Again, this was my situation, but when it comes to getting a handle on CP, every man's journey is different. Why?

CP has always been an enigma for the medical community. There's still no definitive causation that's been identified for it. Is it bacterial in origin, neurological, an autoimmune disorder..or some combination of these? While there are clear cut cases of bacterial infection of the gland that are easily resolved with short courses of antibiotic therapy, many others are intractable, even after months or years of treatment. (I was on Septra for over 18 months). Ironically, the medical community continues to treat the condition with antibiotics even though there is often no evidence of bacterial infection (from culture), Years ago theories were floated about "crypto" bacteria or bacteria with bio-films that become trapped inside the gland making them difficult to detect and antibiotic resistant. While they've never been proven, those ideas still persist. It's also been suggested that repeated bacterial infection creates neuropathy or autoimmune responses that results in CP symptoms. So, with a number of possible causes, there is no single treatment...no silver bullet for dealing with it. For the most of us, CP is a process.

While I have heard about Phage therapy for other conditions I was unaware of it was being utilized in this way. Needless to say, I'm fascinated by this development and I hope that it proves successful in your case. Also happy to hear you're receiving some benefit from it so far. One question, who is it that recommended prostate massage to you? Is it the same physician who prescribed Phage therapy?

@mv91, my answer is much less scientific than @rumel ’s and @b-mayfield's but I do own a Pure Wand and since I'm doing the massage myself, I'm able to control both movement and application pressure myself.  I'm confident it's safe for me to use as I can immediately feel if the pressure is too much or not enough.  I'm well positioned to immediately adjust my own application before causing any damage.   The results are evident by the volume of prostatic fluid I'm able to drain and I do see improvements in my ED and level of libido although I will never be at my teenage levels.

I'm sorry to hear of your uncomfortable condition that is forcing you to consider the use of drugs and I hope you find the solution best suited for you.

Good luck and good vibes.

@zaqpol Bacteriophages are actually really safe. They are a lot safer than regular antibiotics because they don’t attack the good bacteria in the gut. They only attack specific bacteria. I’m going to try it with the massages and if that doesn’t work I’ll use the phages, antibiotics, and regular prostate massage. If that doesn’t work then I’ll try to find a naturopath doctor that can treat or cure this. 

@rumel Which position do you think is best while using the wand? The doctor tells me to bend down on the examination bed while standing on a stepping stool. I can imagine being in that position while using the wand would be really uncomfortable. Do I just move it in slowly and press on it gently without jabbing at the prostate?

@zentai Thanks. I’ll try to find one that looks like that one. I think I seen that somewhere before. 

@b-mayfield Do you think you are cured from prostatitis? You said that you didn’t find long lasting results until you started using the Aneros. Do you think that if you stopped using the Aneros then the prostatitis would come back? I really believe that most cases of prostatitis are bacterial but due to biofilms sometimes they are not detected. I could be wrong though but I am sure that my case is bacterial. I think the problem of antibiotics is that there is not enough blood flow to the prostate so the antibiotics can’t get there which is why prostate massage is important because it can help increase blood flow there. My urologist also believes this and he prescribed me a generic version of Cialis which can increase the blood flow in my prostate combined with the regular massages so the phages can enter the prostate better. To answer your question no one recommended prostate massage to me I actually did a lot of my own research and found my current urologist and he believes that prostate massage should be used in conjunction with antibiotics. I also discovered phage therapy by doing research. I’m currently using phages contained in a liquid and also they come in suppositories which can penetrate the prostate better. 

@ggringo thank you. Hearing that makes me feel better about using the wand. I just have to go slow and gentle and see how my body reacts. 

Thanks for all the replies, I think I’m going to go ahead and try it out. 

I thought that aneros toys were originally made for prostate massage in a nonsexual way. Am I wrong here, @rumel or @b-mayfield ? Isn’t it possible to use a Helix or progasm, for example, and get the prostate massage as well as the bonus of learning how to use toys to enhance one’s sexuality? If I understood correctly, that is what B Mayfield did.  Also if you are afraid of being clumsy, then Aneros toys, when used correctly in a hands-free manner, are pretty foolproof and won’t hurt you. Maybe this is a good introduction to self prostate massage, because as you use the aneros toys, you will better understand the location of the prostate and the amount of pressure that provides massage with hurting you. And if later you need more direct pressure, then you can try a wand of some sort. 

If you do get a wand, I agree with @zentai for the choice of wand. The njoy wand can be awkward to hold. Personally I only use it lying down on my side or on all fours, because if it slips out of my hand it could hurt me, inside and out. Its awkwardness is due to the fact that it is two sided and thus has no real handle, and because of its weight.  The glass wand that was recommended looks much easier to manipulate, especially for a beginner. Note that thicker wands require learning how to patiently insert them.

Posted by: @mv91

 

@b-mayfield Do you think you are cured from prostatitis? You said that you didn’t find long lasting results until you started using the Aneros. Do you think that if you stopped using the Aneros then the prostatitis would come back? I really believe that most cases of prostatitis are bacterial but due to biofilms sometimes they are not detected. I could be wrong though but I am sure that my case is bacterial. I think the problem of antibiotics is that there is not enough blood flow to the prostate so the antibiotics can’t get there which is why prostate massage is important because it can help increase blood flow there. My urologist also believes this and he prescribed me a generic version of Cialis which can increase the blood flow in my prostate combined with the regular massages so the phages can enter the prostate better. To answer your question no one recommended prostate massage to me I actually did a lot of my own research and found my current urologist and he believes that prostate massage should be used in conjunction with antibiotics. I also discovered phage therapy by doing research. I’m currently using phages contained in a liquid and also they come in suppositories which can penetrate the prostate better. 

Thanks for all the replies, I think I’m going to go ahead and try it out. 

 

 

@mv91,  So the prostate massage you have been receiving is under a urologist's treatment plan and is conjunction with antibiotic therapy, yes?  Has he also prescribed the Phage therapy? Did he recommended 3 massage sessions per week?

First and foremost, I would advise you to stay within the confines of your urologist's treatment plan to start with. You should make him aware of everything you are involved in that relates to this.  So for example, if the Phage therapy is under a different doctor's care, the urologist should know about it. Likewise with prostate massage (including your use of Aneros devices). If he has advised one session per week, and you are considering supplementing it with self-administered massage...let him know.  Bear in mind that you are working with 3 different treatment modalities at this point, presumably your doctor will know how to balance them in a way to achieve the best result for you. Deviating from his plan, without his knowledge may cloud things from a diagnostic perspective making it difficult to track your progress.   

With respect to a 'cure" in my case, yes, I do consider it somewhat like that as my symptoms haven't returned. But I essentially implemented lifestyle changes that I have elected to stay with.  I would also point out that I only resorted to these measures once I had exhausted everything else.  Back when I was having the problem, I was unable to find a medical doctor who was on board with prostate massage. I think you're fortunate indeed to have a urologist who is more enlightened.  If he is on board with more frequent prostate massage, see what he has to say about self-administered massage. Tell him about the Wand or better yet show it to him. You might explain that you're unable to afford multiple sessions per week. (Again, this is assuming he's recommended it).  It's important to have his guidance on this as his intention may be directed more at increasing circulation in the gland than the expression of fluid.  So essentially it may not be necessary for you to mash your gland to achieve the result he's looking for.  Furthermore, he may have certain specifics in mind with regard to technique, the length of the massage sessions and the time period in between that may prove more beneficial to you.

Posted by: @divine_o

I thought that aneros toys were originally made for prostate massage in a nonsexual way. Am I wrong here, @rumel or @b-mayfield ? Isn’t it possible to use a Helix or progasm, for example, and get the prostate massage as well as the bonus of learning how to use toys to enhance one’s sexuality?

You are correct that the Aneros lineup evolved out of the therapeutic health aspects of prostate massage, please see The History chapter in the Aneros WIKI.

FYI, High Island Health LLC is the parent company & manufacturer of the Aneros ® brand of prostate massagers. This patented device was originally and is currently offered for sale as the Pro-State ® line of massagers on the High Island Health website. The HIH website is primarily oriented toward the health aspects and benefits of prostate massage in accord with Oriental medicine for prostate related issues, I encourage you to check out that site to learn more about the health benefits. You may also be interested in reading about the ongoing Columbia Medical School study using the Pro-State massagers. The High Island Health website also contains testimonials from users regarding their experiences using these wonderful little massagers. That website also provides links to additional information on prostate health, the Aneros® website, by contrast, is oriented toward the sensual, pleasure aspects of prostate massage.

I would like to add here that while the Aneros devices do provide healthful, safe prostate massage when used in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations, they may not be adequate to the task of providing the 'milking' action as asked about by @mv91 in his post above. This is due to the fact that the pelvic floor muscles may not be sufficiently developed to apply the level of pressure needed to effectively squeeze the prostate sufficiently to move prostatic fluids out of the prostate. This is why various wands may be more effective at 'milking' the prostate.

Good Vibes to You!

Posted by: @b-mayfield

Posted by: @mv91

 

@b-mayfield Do you think you are cured from prostatitis? You said that you didn’t find long lasting results until you started using the Aneros. Do you think that if you stopped using the Aneros then the prostatitis would come back? I really believe that most cases of prostatitis are bacterial but due to biofilms sometimes they are not detected. I could be wrong though but I am sure that my case is bacterial. I think the problem of antibiotics is that there is not enough blood flow to the prostate so the antibiotics can’t get there which is why prostate massage is important because it can help increase blood flow there. My urologist also believes this and he prescribed me a generic version of Cialis which can increase the blood flow in my prostate combined with the regular massages so the phages can enter the prostate better. To answer your question no one recommended prostate massage to me I actually did a lot of my own research and found my current urologist and he believes that prostate massage should be used in conjunction with antibiotics. I also discovered phage therapy by doing research. I’m currently using phages contained in a liquid and also they come in suppositories which can penetrate the prostate better. 

Thanks for all the replies, I think I’m going to go ahead and try it out. 

 

 

@mv91,  So the prostate massage you have been receiving is under a urologist's treatment plan and is conjunction with antibiotic therapy, yes?  Has he also prescribed the Phage therapy? Did he recommended 3 massage sessions per week?

First and foremost, I would advise you to stay within the confines of your urologist's treatment plan to start with. You should make him aware of everything you are involved in that relates to this.  So for example, if the Phage therapy is under a different doctor's care, the urologist should know about it. Likewise with prostate massage (including your use of Aneros devices). If he has advised one session per week, and you are considering supplementing it with self-administered massage...let him know.  Bear in mind that you are working with 3 different treatment modalities at this point, presumably your doctor will know how to balance them in a way to achieve the best result for you. Deviating from his plan, without his knowledge may cloud things from a diagnostic perspective making it difficult to track your progress.   

With respect to a 'cure" in my case, yes, I do consider it somewhat like that as my symptoms haven't returned. But I essentially implemented lifestyle changes that I have elected to stay with.  I would also point out that I only resorted to these measures once I had exhausted everything else.  Back when I was having the problem, I was unable to find a medical doctor who was on board with prostate massage. I think you're fortunate indeed to have a urologist who is more enlightened.  If he is on board with more frequent prostate massage, see what he has to say about self-administered massage. Tell him about the Wand or better yet show it to him. You might explain that you're unable to afford multiple sessions per week. (Again, this is assuming he's recommended it).  It's important to have his guidance on this as his intention may be directed more at increasing circulation in the gland than the expression of fluid.  So essentially it may not be necessary for you to mash your gland to achieve the result he's looking for.  Furthermore, he may have certain specifics in mind with regard to technique, the length of the massage sessions and the time period in between that may prove more beneficial to you.

Yes the prostate massage is under my urologist’s treatment plan but instead of using regular antibiotics I’m using phages. My urologist said I can give it a try and see if it helps so he’s not against it. 
He did not recommend phage therapy to me. I found out about phage therapy by doing my own research. 3 massages is the amount he recommends but I can’t do 3 because of money issues. He won’t lower the price. I am currently doing the phage therapy under a team of Georgian doctors (from the country Georgia in Eastern Europe) and I’m strictly following their treatment plan for me. I asked my urologist if I can perform a self prostate massage instead of paying money to see him but like I said he doesn’t want to comment on that due to liability reasons. I already show him a picture of the wand but he just tells me that he doesn’t want to give me any advice or comment on it because if I do hurt myself he does not want to be held liable. 

I just checked the website that sells njoy pure wand and it seems that they are out of stock. However I found a different wand called the Therawand. The LA wand to be exact. That wand is much cheaper and is made out of acrylic and it can be used for prostate massage or trigger point release. What do you guys think of that wand? https://therawand.com/products/la-therawand

@mv91

Thre is nothing like the real thing; Aneros or NJOY.  There's something about heavy surgical grade stainless steel that makes it a forever tool for me.  To me, it's worth the price I paid for it.

Just my 2-cents worth.

A while back a fellow poster here on Aneros encouraged guys to buy the N Joy products from ALI EXPRESS out of China.  They are dirt cheap and I ordered the Pure Wand.  It is just like the American manufactured one and is of 100% stainless steel.  I saved a bundle. Same dimensions, same weight.

Check this out on ALI EXPRESS and maybe even search for the past thread in the last 18 months or so.  The product is the same.  Good luck.

I do have an Njoy Pure Wand and do enjoy it! Do have to be careful using it as it is heavy. Results can be very stimulating and rewarding - use a position that will help support the weight of the free end - lay either on your back or stomach or side on a pillow. Also check out Lelo Loki Wave which can be very stimulating as it does the come hither movement and also has a perenium vibrator. Both NJoy and Lelo products are a bit pricey but well worth it as both are well built and durable! If you shop around, you can find reduced prices or watch for special sales from Lelo or NJoy.

@rumel thanks for the links! I guess I still don’t really understand what milking is, in the sense that I haven’t ever successfully done it myself. I recognize the difference between semen and precum, but don’t know what prostatic fluid is. I will read up a bit more and try it out.

there are surely cheap knock off njoy wands, but there are also rumors that these wands aren’t pure steel and that they are actually just plated. Which means that if they fissure and chip and you don’t notice, you risk serious injury. Are the rumors true? I don’t know. I think all njoy toys are made in China, but the official ones are sure to not be plated knock offs. I myself prefer piece of mind as opposed to piece of potentially dangerous metal in rectum...

I have dropped my njoy wand on the cement tile floor, and it only got slightly dented. It will last my entire lifetime, and possibly for centuries to come.

Disclaimer: I'm not in any way related to a medical profession. I first acquired Helix, then Progasm Ice, then Njoy Pure Wand.

I think the wand is safe to use as far as PAIN goes. Pain will let you know quickly if you massage too vigorously. In my experience, the wand's curve means that it tends to glide over prostate rather than strike it head-on. I had more pain issues with Aneros than with the wand. It may have had something to do with dud sessions. Sometimes, if you're frustrated and not getting an exciting masturbation experience, you may feel an urge to go harder and faster. With regular masturbation, it leads to an orgasm and can produce better orgasms.

Don't do that. Try to think of prostate play as massage, or edging. Around here, we're told to distinguish ejaculation (or even oozing semen) from orgasm. When you add manual masturbation to prostate play, what you're really doing is cutting it short. You can find a way to make it fun. With prostate massage, you can easily outlast any porn video or a camgirl. If you refrain from ejaculation, you'll stay horny for the next few days - until your next session, which will start with a big craving.

In my experience it's best not to put extra pressure on the wand. When you're on your back, it already passively exerts pressure just by gravity. Your sphincter acts a bit like a fulcrum of a lever. One arm goes down, which causes the other end of the wand to go UP against your prostate. I found the most enjoyable way to use the wand is to slide it in and out in a certain range.

The wand makes it more obvious that position greatly affects how direct the contact is. When I'm dildoing myself with the wand, I tend to move my hips and legs in response to sensations. When my erection comes, I need more distance from prostate because the contact becomes too direct and it's too tight. It's as if my prostate swells. When the erection goes, I increase the penetration angle. Again and again. Getting knees close to stomach maximizes the contact, but it can be uncomfortable in doggy position (extra stress on hip joints).

The bigger ball offers milder, more diffused stimulation. Unless you get it past the hump inside, and assume a position that makes you tighter inside. Then it can be painful to pull out, but I found a workaround - press DOWN, away from prostate.

For me, by far the best pure wand position is on my back, because it's heavy. It compliments aneros nicely because aneros works best in doggy or on my side. Models lighter than progasm can work when kneeling with knees spread, etc.

If you want to dildo yourself from behind, or from below, you may want a lighter toy.

The wand is very, very slick when lubed, and easier to clean than aneros. Just like Aneros, it needs a long time to do proper enemas, so you won't save time there. When you're very clean inside, a little lube goes a looong way, and the wand easily goes in deeper.

I got the wand because I'm getting inconsistent results with aneros. I'm extremely tall. Progasm seems to work best (doggy, knees apart, and lowering my chest). Trident Eupho is next on my list to try. The wand produces good sessions consistently.