Prostate cancer and prostate stimuli connection "almost" proven?

I doubt if getting fucked up the ass by a man and a prostate massage is the same thing. I also thought there were men who either had prostate cancer or an enlarged prostate who were helped by the prostate massage?

Not all gay promiscuous men are bottoms.

tbh im worried a little, i used the aneros in 2005 and it was used improperly and caused pain whenever i would cum without the aneros or with it afterward for 10 years nearly, even now it hurts sometimes? but i still get pleasure from the aneros, so prostate stimulation has not relieved me of the symptoms in all that time. I worry its something more sinister!

The only connection I see is that gay men take it up the bum, could be the lube, could be the stimuli. I dunno, but most likely one of the two.

I think your posting title is a bit alarmist. The study you referenced did not "almost" prove anything, it merely indicated another possible variable in a number of variables which may influence the development of prostate cancer.
I am a heterosexual male who has had sexual relations with 20+ female partners, I have had no anal intercourse with a man and have had no sexually transmitted infections so I should have fallen into the lowest risk category for developing prostate cancer, yet I did.
There are many factors which seem to influence the risk level for developing prostate cancer, sexual lifestyle activities may be one of those factors. Some of the other associations may be high levels of stress or drug usage leading to depressed immune system response, incomplete/poor nutrient intake in ones diet or poor overall physical conditioning to name a few. Perhaps the strongest correlation I've read about and as I was informed by my oncologist, is the one we have absolutely no control over and that is our genetic susceptibility. My father and my uncle both developed prostate cancer so it was not surprising I developed it as well.
It would really be great if there were a comparative long term study of prostate cancer rates between men who receive regular gentle prostate massage treatments (via Aneros or manual methods) and those who receive none, now that might prove something.
Good Vibes to You !

rumel, I'm sorry to hear that you went through such a terrible thing. A close family member is going through a similar situation, though she is female. This will be the second time as well.

It always worries me thinking i will be next, everyone i know of in our family seems to have developed a form of it in all varying ways in all parts of the body, i always think its going to happen.

How did you find out, if you don't mind me asking? did you feel any pain and that led to you asking questions?

Thanks rumel, once again I'm sorry to hear this

inhope,

If you have a family history of cancer then you do have reason to be on alert but not worried. When detected early, cancers, for the most part, can be treated and controlled but the key is early detection so regular checkups and screening are very important.

I began having annual blood tests checking my PSA level at about age 55. The levels remained pretty steady for several years but one year it took about a 50% jump, this is when my doctor wanted a followup measurement in 3 mos. time. Again the level was elevated a bit further and a subsequent biopsy was performed and the cancer was detected. I never felt any pain or discomfort from the cancer onset and it was only through the PSA screening that it was detected. After numerous consultations and personal research I opted for external beam radiation treatment and today, six years later, my PSA levels are back to where they were in my 50's so the cancer is apparently in abeyance.

Even though PSA screening may lead to false positive indications and have been dropped by some doctors as a detection test, until a better test comes along I would still encourage our older members to have their PSA numbers checked annually. It is my understanding the rate of change in a man's PSA number is more significant than his normal (healthy) absolute PSA number.
Good Vibes to You !

According to Charlie Glickman PhD, who I've tweeted, there are health benefits to prostate massage. Here's a link from his website on the subject http://www.prostatepleasureguide.net/prostate-health/health-benefits-of-prostate-massage/

Doesn't matter to me. Something gonna get us all eventually so may as well have as many Supers as I can till my number is up.

Alex, I don't understand this article.

"Compared to men who have had only one partner during their lifetime, having sex with more than 20 women is associated with a 28% lower risk of one day being diagnosed with prostate cancer, according to researchers at the University of Montreal and INRS - Institut Armand-Frappier. However, having more than 20 male partners in one's lifetime is associated with a twofold higher risk of getting prostate cancer compared to those who have never slept with a man."

"On the other hand, those who have slept with more than 20 men are twice as likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer of all types compared to those who have never slept with a man. And their risk of having a less aggressive prostate cancer increases by 500% compared to those who have had only one male partner.

And "Consequently, men who said they had never had sexual intercourse were almost twice as likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer as those who said they had."

"Twice as likely" so twice as many gay/bi men have prostate cancer as completely straight men? Is that what it means? Is that what the article says? I don't think this is true or it would have been noticed previously.

It says men who are celibate have a 200% higher risk of prostate cancer than men who have had a single female partner (or 20 female partners). Is this the same 200% as the gay/bi men? Again it doesn't say.

But it does say that having 1 male partner increases the chance of getting the LESS aggressive cancer by 500% compared to those who have more than 1 male partner, NOT the more aggressive cancer.

So it's comparing number of partners not the number of sexual encounters? And the speculation about the frequency of ejaculation possibly accounting for the straight men's lower risk makes no sense.

This seems like a very sloppy article by William Raillant-Clark who doesn't understand how to interpret research papers and make them intelligible to readers. I'd like to see the paper that he has hopelessly mangled in his article but he doesn't have a link to it. Too bad as it sounds like it may have been interesting before he got to it.

I just read Charlie glickmans tweet to you, what I read has devastated me.

I misused the aneros device some years ago and when I orgasming after forcing things too much it hurt, with every pulse of the orgasm and muscle it was a dull ache. As soon as the orgasm was over it would stop hurting. Though I felt simultaneous pleasure too from the normal orgasm.

Sex with my partner resulted in the same pain.

I then used the device properly for years and the massaging resulted in easing the ache until I felt no pain.

Until recently.

I havnt been aggressive or misused the tools but the last two times with aneros inserted whilst using gentle holding contractions led to the same pain returning.

I don't understand.

I had good results for years, dry organs happening now for the first time too! Why?

That Charlie needs to expand his answer or provide more answers, I'm sitting here feeling sick to my stomach about this.

On reflection it's just an article based on a particular set of statistics and you can manipulate 'em anyway you like.

Inhope, go get checked by your dr if you're worried

i knew that would be someone answer, its just not that easy for me to do.

I think though that professional should more care and give more detailed statements that just a tweet with its set number of limited characters.

Perhaps I'm paranoid, who knows.

I had a hunch prostate stimulation would increase cancer rate, even if the factors thus far are up in the air. Didn't have the intention for Aneros' usage to be life-long any way, so if the studies do hold up, might be better for me to move on from it sooner than later.

Dark engine i went into prostate stimulation with a clear mind because of all the positive health benefits that were clearly listed all over the place, where has this cancer bullshit come from? I always beleived for 10 years now that it was meant to stave off such a thing, and indeed lots of other issues like prostatitius! wtf it's all suddenly 180'd?

Black is white, dogs and cats living with each other....

Correlation does not imply causation. A very sloppy article indeed, as already pointed out by euphemistic. It seems as a lot of factors have not been taken into account in this 'conclusion'. I would like to see the original article/scientific publication.

As would I. Logically I would think that stimulation, increase bloodflow and other aspects would actually be of benefit, something doesnt add up.

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This is a pretty stupid conclusion that ignores other possible correlates that could increase cancer risk in homosexual men who engage in MSM (Man sex man.)

What we do know of sex is that the receptive partner is more likely to be infected with an STD than the insertive partner. This is true for women who have sex with men and for homosexual bottoms.

The increase cancer risk isn't because they are receiving prostate stimulus but because of the other diseases that are likely passed to them by the top, such as HPV. MSM receptive partners also have a higher risk of anal cancer.

Now cross reference this with how HPV and other diseases increases a woman's risk of cervical and other vaginal cancers.

Now let's do some commonsense type of breakdown--- It isn't anal stimulus, it isn't prostate stimulus but the transmission of other diseases that can lead to anal and prostate cancer.

@inhope, I believe what the Drs. here on this forum would say, is for you to see a urologist to get a digital exam and a PSA test. I've been to a urologist since my early twenties (farmer, beating my butt on a tractor seat, not drinking enough water, developed prostatitis), and in my 30's, they said I had the prostate of a 50 yr old man. Now that I'm in my 50's, they say I have a prostate of a 40 year old man; my PSA is quite low, and the digital exam reveals a small, symmetrical, and most importantly, smooth prostate.

IMHO the cancer rates continue rise because of all the sugar in our food. If you want to reduce your chances of cancer cut down on sugar and feed your body healthy food. You are what you eat. Since it has been proven cannabis kills cancer cells and stress weakens the immune system, get high often for prevention and relaxation. That's my theory. The trick is to stay away from the sugar when the munchies kick in! :-))

I resisted commenting for nearly 20 minutes, but I cannot leave the site (for my evening ride) without writing something. As a physician who tries to keep up with advances in my specialty (Diagnostic Radiology) I am appalled at this article quoted. The observations appear to be comparing apples and oranges and their conclusions are, well, hogwash, at best. No one, especially those who are a bit anxious about their Aneros habits, should draw any conclusions from this article regarding a possible relationship between the mechanical stimulation afforded by Aneros devices and exposure to bodily fluids of multiple partners, presumably, without really knowing them or their health status before, whether it's one night stands or just one's casual attitude to sexual partners (I'm trying not to be judgmental here). At the risk of sounding preachy: Maimonides's (and other classical physicians' advice of moderation in all things really applies with everything in life. As far as what causes a given cancer (and each has its own driving factors) is usually a combination of genetic propensity and exposure to various chemical and immunologic noxious stimuli. From my personal work with prostatic disease (I've written about this before), my colleague and I have published the direct relationship between backflow in the internal spermatic veins in the back of abdominal cavity and a flood of testosterone being shunted into the prostate gland when the valves in these veins deteriorate (a condition often referred to as varicocele). Under such conditions, the prostate cells, which cannot survive without testosterone--in the tiny amounts that they are normally "fed" through the arteries--are flooded with high concentrations of free, bioactive testosterone. This directly leads to prostate cell proliferation and prostate gland enlargement (BPH). It is our hunch that prolonged exposure to the elevated venous testosterone may be a (or maybe the) factor in allowing some prostate cells to break away from normal cell controls and develop into small cancers. The huge majority of these lesions never become symptomatic or life-threatening. At autopsy, a very large fraction of elderly men will be shown to have prostate cancers. What makes a group of these cells turn "aggressive" is not yet known, but our hunch is still that the flood of testosterone bathing the gland (we measured it at some 130 times the serum levels under the abnormal circumstances of varicocele) may be a crucial trigger.
Those of you who have symptoms of prostatic malfunction should really go see your physicians for a check up. After all, those of us who use the Aneros, do not have the anxiety and reluctance that many men have to a rectal exam...

Please define 'prostatic malfunction'

@Armon-neat,

Thanks for writing this.

@inhope more than likely having to go to the loo during the night a lot and peeing a dribble instead of a more powerful stream amongst other things (google will provide more detail).

Doesn't matter to me. Something gonna get us all eventually so may as well have as many Supers as I can till my number is up.

The best answer so far 🙂

I see alot of people here commenting saying that the link may be forceful anal stimuli or STD's that explain the numbers.

Personally I would guess that the link more likely would be the **lubes** related to male anal sex or anal play.

I think we all agree that homosexuals statisticly have more anal play than straights. Even though those numbers may be changing due to taboos fading and aneros seeing social daylight. And both the last point gets my applause! We men shouldn't be afraid of saying we enjoy Pspot stimuli 🙂

It's a long way to go for the aneors to be mainstream, in any capacity, I've been using it 10 year, still relatively obscure a phenomenon.

Well, growth in a closed evironment usually gets exponential growth when market traction hits. Until you reach the potential of the market. Which I guesstimate to at least 500 million men.

Back to the thread, my thoughts are that I will stop using all unnatural lube. But then again, what really is natural in high amounts if it also is not naturally produced in the body...... Hmm

Edit:
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Now... How to make it 🙂

Maybe this is a dumb question, but how is the lube in your anus getting to the prostate? I was under the assumption that the rectum is seperated from the prostate by the intestinal wall. So if that is the case then the type of lube you are using can permeate through the wall into the prostate?? I just don't see it. I would think the lube would get absorbed into your bloodstream much quicker then permeating the intestinal wall into the prostate. @inhope, I understand that you feel you damaged something early on but I think you need to let that go. Obviously pain is an indication something you were doing was not the right thing, but as much as everything in your body is allowed to move around, and also how squishy are parts are in there, I highly doubt you did any permanent damage. Bruised or upset something, possibly. This first indication that something is wrong with the prostate is usally urination problems, so if your peeing fine then I wouldnt worry about it.