Problems at the peak

You describe exactly what happens to me, it seems so easy for everyone else. I am sure we do everything they do but it seems the highs we get are nowhere near the same as others.

It does seem a little unfair, doesn't it?

I'm right with you jja2. I've been using aeros models for 5 years and the climb to the peak is great, but I have never created the mountain. We should start a club. 🙂

Well as i understand it, you don't ever go 'over the peak' as such but instead the peak you reach gets more intense as you progress or as you try new techniques. That is the problem, expecting another level when its the current level you're at just more is felt at that level.

Try this out fellas: lying on your back bring your legs up to your chest and hold it there. Or get in a chair and put your legs up on a desk. Tell me what happens. Did wonders for my last session, which was by all accounts fairly weak. Change positions when things start to feel like its tailing off, do the one above, lying on your side too, front etc

-Sorena

When my penis becomes rock hard it seems to get more difficult for the aneros to keep moving. Then the sessions seems to fizzle right when I reach this point.

More difficult to keep moving, huh? Guess what causes it:... tension. You seem to relax alright up to that point... But then, not anymore. The mobility of aneros is the ideal test. Its verdict is trustworthy and amazingly precise. This is what produces the "peak" and the "problem". The higher you rise the more difficult it is to relax. That's normal. But if you relax anyway it keeps rising.

Now there is a secret (and I am afraid I am unable to explain it to you -- you have to find it by yourself) to release almost anytime during session. The release makes it possible to get satisfaction and appeasement without getting too high. It's a sort of cash-in. The higher you go the more intense the cash-in. But you don't need to go high to get it. And wait and wonder, a release can also give you a base level to get higher too.

Relax and enjoy.

For a long time I've been struggling with eye-tension in sessions. And what I've realised is - it's a way to ground myself. When the intensity gets too high, I "retreat" into my eyes by tensing the muscles there, and it's like a brake-pedal that I use without knowing. What I found by taking more concious control of my eye tension, is that it prevents pleasure from "entering my brain".
This might sound weird, but there's a point during a pleasure-build where a fizzing lightness wants to flow into my head, it's like letting the orgasm into my brain. Some part of me is terrified of this and wants to back away. It's like some kind of "terror at the gates" that I'm not even aware of. Like the rollercoaster is about to go down a big hill and I need to hold on tighter. The expectation is that you'll be physically overtaken and carried into this overwhelming sensation against your will, but don't underestimate your own ability to put the brakes on.

So maybe there's some part of you that's "pumping" your erection as a way to stay in control. Ask yourself "Am I still present, or am I retreating from something?". Consider whether anything has changed between the sensations that got you here, and the sensations you're trying to cultivate now. Is there something you're afraid to let happen? In what way are you in control of what's happening right now?

I think it's worth trying to develop an awareness of what your "Oh shit, here we go!" response is. There might be something you need to let go of. I find new, scary, and wonderful things are hiding the other side of these "hold on tight" responses.

When my penis becomes rock hard it seems to get more difficult for the aneros to keep moving. Then the sessions seems to fizzle right when I reach this point.

More difficult to keep moving, huh? Guess what causes it:... tension. You seem to relax alright up to that point... But then, not anymore. The mobility of aneros is the ideal test. Its verdict is trustworthy and amazingly precise. This is what produces the "peak" and the "problem". The higher you rise the more difficult it is to relax.

You have a great point there, I will work on my tension. However it's not just the tension. The area that the p-tab is touching gets really swollen (or feels like that). As it's swelling the aneros is moving great, but it does feel like at that peak it's reached a point of swelling where the p-tab is really digging into my skin, sometimes to the point of pain.

The best way I can describe it is a balloon being inflated. As it's being inflated it moves a lot aiding in the aneros movement. But when the balloon reaches it's maximum inflation level it doesn't cause movement because the inflating itself caused the movement to occur. Does that make sense?

Ballooning is a great way of wording it, when it swells too much it stops the movement, I get the same happening when I use contractions and it builds, it can cause me to contract harder too, which is bad.

Interesting thread.

Now there is a secret (and I am afraid I am unable to explain it to you -- you have to find it by yourself) to release almost anytime during session. The release makes it possible to get satisfaction and appeasement without getting too high. It's a sort of cash-in. The higher you go the more intense the cash-in. But you don't need to go high to get it. And wait and wonder, a release can also give you a base level to get higher too.

Relax and enjoy.

@Canacan stop being such a tease! What you are saying is that there is a secret to getting an orgasm any time. Like many sometimes I can do that easily, other times I just can't at least not without letting the excitement build further so it has to release somehow, I haven't spotted any secret to it yet, it just seems to happen when it wants to. If there is a secret please tell us what it is.

@Clenchy that eye thing is interesting I get that a lot, never thought of it as a 'brake'. Do you just consciously relax your eyes to stop it happening?

@Clenchy

Man, do I ever get the same thing. Gets awfully frustrating to know something is right there and 'Bam!' your consciousness refuses to let go. And yeah, with me it centers in the eyes. Like, I can feel them get fuzzy, along with my brain, heat and warmth everywhere with that buildup that something wonderful is happening, but I can never fully relax my eyes.

To think of it though, I've always had this issue. The desire to maintain some level of control, especially when inebriated or high. I can even liken this problem to experiences with good LSD where I feel my consciousness slipping away but I fight to maintain some level of rational thought for fear of what might happen. Of course, Aneros use isn't the same kind of trip, but it is somewhat reminiscent. Hopefully the future will bring a moment in which I'm able to breakthrough this barrier. I've already begun this process by turning off my television, computers and all visible sources of light to create a dark, silent environment. With the exception of a pair of headphones for music. Lately, I've returned to the HypnoAneros Album since discarding it after my first use, and wow, things have certainly ramped up.

@jja2

I'm still an early user, but I can certainly relate to your situation. I would advise, however, to find a way in which to shift the attention. Others have mentioned altering position, side, back, etc., but something that has worked for me is lying on my stomach. And I believe the reason has to do with the pressure being placed on the groin. Smashing the bits with a little weight makes things less pleasant down there and allows more attention from my prostate. I would also try to eliminate visual sources of arousal too. Porn can certainly be great, and generate some awesome feelings during a session, but I coming to the realization that such stimuli reminds me too much of the old ways of self-gratification. My eyes see, therefore my body reacts to classic masturbatory methods.

@smudgefish I think the way I worked around it was to not turn to it in the first place. Once I've started doing it, I find it hard to stop, and my eye muscles feel either tired and sore, or more noticeable and distracting.
I tried to intercept the impulse before I acted on it. That was when I realised what else that eye tension was a part of...
When I'm relaxed in a session, my awareness is floating around my pelvis, I'm letting things happen and I feel "open" to what's happening, but when I start eye-tension it pulls my sensory awareness away from that area, like I'm curling up into a little ball and shutting out the experience.

The other thing that has worked well to combat this, is to say to myself over and over again "I'm doing this", "I'm making this happen", "I'm already controlling this, this is me, and I love what's happening".
What I realise from doing this, is that I normally consider what the aneros is doing to be external to me somehow. Like a stranger that I want to trust, but can't quite. Saying these things to myself gives me a sense of ownership, and with that, comfort and acceptance. I don't feel the need to retreat in the first place. I'm forcing myself to embrace the session at a level below the eye-tension.

I think the thing that was triggering the retreat-response the most was that brain-rush feeling, which, when I embraced it turned into an orgasm.
never thought of it as a 'brake'
Neither did I, it didn't feel like anything more significant than the usual kind of tension I'd have approaching a traditional orgasm, and I accepted it as that. Initially I only tried to stop doing it because I found it distracting/annoying, it was only when I denied the impulse that something else started happening in its place. Something that couldn't co-exist with the eye tension. It was like I was taking the orgasmic energy that was destined for my brain, and re-directing it to my eye muscles. It was fear and the need for control, bubbling up as a seemingly innocent bit of muscular tension. I didn't even notice the way I was pulling myself away from what I was feeling. I can't say it's going to be the case for anyone else besides me, but I had been doing it for years and thought nothing of it.

@Machendrae ... hah I can't believe someone else gets the eye-tension thing, it's so obscure I was expecting to be met with blank stares. I can also relate to the LSD thing, I tried it as an experimental teenager and it freaked me out pretty badly. I really couldn't deal with it at all... it is a similar "hold on to conciousness as I know it" panic. I think it's important to maintain a level of relaxation and acceptance all the way through the session. If you're trying to push the session forward all the time, that means you're taking control, and the challenge becomes releasing it at the right time. But if you start out not controlling it, it's easier to stay in that state of non-control.

@clenchy
Good remarks! (not last comment which I didn't have time to read but the previous)
Terrified, sure is the right term.

@jja2
It would make sense if this was indeed a balloon. But it is not. So inflating shouldn't produce that pain with P-tab. On the contrary. If you were extremely relaxed and excessive ballooning was happening, it should push the aneros out, not in. What keeps it in against the ballooning, to the point of giving you pain, is a strong clenching. That pain is being inflicted on you by your own tension. You just fail to feel these muscles's state correctly. Learning it is key.

@smudgefish
Sorry, I would tell it if I could. But, first it is extremely vague, I can't put it into words myself and second, even if the words were right, they would make no sense to somebody not yet understanding it (they would again and again be misinterpreted), and third, nobody knows and controls himself enough to reproduce such indications accurately. In a way, I tried and I answered that question many times (sometimes concisely, sometimes with excruciating details) and others did as well. It is written all over the forum. You just have to experience what it means for yourself before you realize it.

Anyway, what's released in lower states or what little sometimes is released in higher states probably wouldn't be strong enough for you to call it an orgasm, which is why I didn't use that word. To me orgasms are in no way the point... Or you call everything an orgasm. Words anyway.

@canacan thanks for the further explanation. No real secret then, just experience and practice.

@Clenchy the same thing happens with my eyes often in meditation. The advice there is always just to observe and allow it to happen and it then settles. Using the aneros is so much like meditation and so much like achieving jhana which I haven't managed yet either, accepting what is happening, observing and relaxing into it are exactly what you have to do there as well and it takes time to get good at it.
Thanks for the advice.

@smudgefish
But anerosing IS a meditation technique.

Okay this is difficult....having a super O is easier then explaining how to reach one. Here I go. Arousal starts early in life and I can't explain the hormones that are the culprits but it happens before we reach puberty but it gets more intense the closer we get to maturity. Arousal is all centered in the brain with a whole lot of neurotransmitters at work and as we hit puberty we start to find ways to increase it by playing with our penis's. Our whole life going forward is all penis oriented for most. I think that direct penis stimulation is more intense then prostate stimulation but not by much....we are just more in tune with it. Prostate stimulation is very low level so we need full relaxation and we have to learn to tune in to it. You will read and hear over and over again about the do nothing guys....these guys are just guys that have learned to build arousal by doing nothing....it just builds in your brain fed by the feeling in you prostate. So when ever you feel any pleasure building whether if you are moving your ass or clenching your PC's just stop and relax...don't thrash around, relax your muscles, relax your eyes, relax everything and let the arousal build. Once you have learned to build this arousal you will get your super O's but you will also realize how hard it is to achieve this level of relaxation and arousal. Good luck and you may also learn all the short cuts as well.

@Canacan I agree. Jhana is from what I gather very similar to a super-O just achieved using meditation alone. I'm sure there is very little difference between them. I have touched on jhana a few times but lose it because I get excited and lose concentration on the building pleasure.The similarities between this and meditation are enormous. In fact it is another method of meditation hence why it can cause Kundalini and other spiritual complications, just like other forms of meditation if done to excess by beginners (like happened to me).

@brucemarkland Thanks for your comments as well. I build to orgasm using concentration alone always A-less, or I can have a prostate orgasm using penis stimulation resulting in dry O's, still haven't managed to take it past this yet. There's always a lot happening in the rest of my body I just can't relax into it fully yet. Your advice is really helpful and you are right it is not easy.

I suppose relaxation, concentration, and observation rather than control seem to be the 'secrets', it takes a while to realise that, and a long time to master it.