Penis Why Not

The general consensus is to avoid touching your penis as that will direct attention away from the sensations that are being provided by having your prostate massages.  That being said, I have been fortunate enough to have an experience similar to yours, where it’s just a matter of minutes after inserting the Aneros that I’m having shaking full body orgasms.  I usually treat an Aneros session as an almost meditative experience, but once I feel I’ve had enough, I set my mind to more erotic pursuits.  I finish every session with a traditional orgasm and they are amazing!  I believe it comes down to personal preference and would argue that there is nothing wrong with enjoying yourself however you want, especially if you’ve successfully required yourself and can get the most out of your sessions.

The basic idea is that touching your penis takes you back to what you're used to (traditional orgasm) and may hinder or delay your rewiring, since you're supposed to be on the lookout for new sensations. That may depend on individual users. But once you are rewired, you can pretty much do what you want. I don't remember reading about people "dewiring" themselves because they played with their penis, so I don't believe it hurts in any way if it gets you the results you want. 

I have been "rewired" for over a year and usually avoid any penile stimulation during an Aneros session.  When I am ready for an ejaculation (after a period of semen retention) I begin with an Aless session which includes nipple diddling.  I am able to experience p-waves and multiple orgasms before my penis gets involved.  The eventual ejaculation is enhanced and I often get full-body orgasms which are very intense.  You might be able to have a similar experience during a session with Aneros.  If it works for you that is what really matters.

Posted by: @azerty

I respected the rule for a while. At least before I was rewired.

Hi and welcome to the forum. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You yourself already have given the answer to your question. As already mentioned I also agree that this „rule“ is a suggestion to help with re-wiring and to avoid falling back into well trained schemes of traditional masturbation, that‘s all. 

Only read about this „penis yes“-technique. 😉

Cheers, Mart

Thanks a lot for your answers. Involving penis in the game doesn’t make me feel guilty anymore, especially after reading the link mentioned by @SOwithoutAneros

Posted by: @azerty

Penis mustn’t be part of the game. I respected the rule for a while. At least before I was rewired.

First, I agree @SOwithoutAneros that the Penis, NOT admonition is not a forever rule.

Posted by: @azerty

... So here’s my question : Why penis not ?

Prostate based orgasms are qualitatively different from penile based ejaculatory orgasms and it can take an indefinite amount of time for men to learn how to achieve them if they are holding on to traditional thought paradigms/behaviors regarding orgasms. What most new Aneros users want to learn is how to get to these amazing dry-O's and the Super-O.

Unfortunately, Aneros use with too much penile stimulation frequently results in an ejaculatory orgasm, a Super-T. While these Super-T orgasms do feel great, they usually invoke a refractory period, shutting down one's arousal and generally ending your opportunity to get into the multiple dry-O zone of experience. This dilemma then begs the question how do we get around this impediment to dry-O's?

The answer lies in establishing an alternate neural path to orgasm in our brains. This means adopting an alternate thought paradigm and practicing a different behavioral pattern. One of the quickest methods to becoming 'rewired' is to condition yourself with a different behavior pattern which doesn't promote the ejaculatory reflex, hence the admonition to avoid penile stimulation during one's learning process.

Posted by: @azerty

Why should we keep away from such a bliss ? Will I harm myself ?

There's no reason to deny yourself the pleasure your Anerosessions can generate. Once a man has reached a certain level of 'rewiring' and the ability to achieve dry-O's reasonably regularly, all manner of orgasmic techniques become much more available, this includes the type of penile stimulation @azerty stated. Using penile stimulation to amplify arousal is perfectly valid and it gives you the choice to trigger a traditional ejaculatory orgasm or continue to ride the arousal into prostate based dry-O's bliss. Don't worry, you won't harm yourself though you may become exhausted from the orgasms you may experience.

Good Vibes to You!

 I’m glad @Rumel to read about your positive conclusion 

As already stated, this applies more to the process of rewiring; if you're already rewired then everything can all go out the window.  I'm not sure I can add much, except to quote Pirates of the Caribbean: "It's more of a guideline than an actual rule!"  I go back and forth on the whole penis issue.  I've been on semen retention for over two weeks and I'm feeling great, but most of last month I was ejaculating after every session and sometimes between sessions too.  I'd say that the most important thing whichever way you go is to not allow yourself to feel frustration or guilt!  Experimentation isn't a bad thing, on the contrary keeping yourself from falling into a routine might even be beneficial.  And while the guidelines are good as a jumping-off point, you'll never know which way works best for you if you don't try it. 

I'm a big fan of including "frenugasms" achieved by a featherlike touch on that "one" spot. I love edging an Aneros anal orgasm and then bringing in a penile dry orgasm. Usually once I get them both at the very edge of explosion, I can "join" the sensations which inevitably causes a complete meltdown. I have literally passed out from the intensity of the pleasure. 

@10dollarbet, like most Baby Boomers in the 1940's & 50's, I had a Routine Infant Circumcision or RIC shortly after my birth in late March 1949. Not only did I lose my foreskin, but also my frenulum was excised. I generally do not touch my penis when I have Aneros sessions. I want to focus solely on the motion of the Aneros upon my anal canal/musculature and the prostate massage it delivers me. Despite of the RIC I received, I love my circumcised penis and my mushroom Glans which I inherited my dad who himself was RIC'ed in early March 1914. I sometimes explore my penis when I diddle in bed at night, or when I wear jockstraps and athletic cups mostly for erotic reasons! Yet I can enter into the experience of "frenugasms" from fruitful discussions I have had with some uncircumcised guys on this Forum!

@BigGlansDC, that’s good to hear that you can experience frenugasms.  I’m at the tail end of the baby boomers in 1960, and like you I was circumcised with my frenulum excised.  Because if that, I’m never focus stimulation on that part of my penis, but under the glans.  

In just my first session with my Aneros yesterday (Peridise), I had been just wearing it under my jeans for several hours adjusting to the sensations while working.  When I finally had 30 minutes free I leaned back in my chair and let my prostate drive both voluntary and involuntary contractions.  I was enjoying various sensations as my prostate pleasures grew (or felt like it swelled), then my penis got very aroused to the point it was pushing out and nearly out of the top of my jeans.  That pressure was nearly equal some my prostates to the glans, and was definitely in the frenulum area of my glans as it pressed against the jeans (looked like my jeans zipper was going to bust!!).  To be honest, this is the first time I’m felt anything in that part of that anatomy and seemed to be wired with my prostate as I had two mini-I’d in success.  Since this was only my first Aneros session, I look forward to more exploration in coming days/weeks and years....just wish I had found this years earlier!

@andrewcamacho I had a similar experience about a week ago using my helix. I've only been at this about a month, and have had the biggest breakthroughs with penile stimulation. I had a prostate orgasm roll into a Super T, that rolled into another PO (I think?). It was like the pulsating started deep inside, then evolved into this explosive ejaculation that seemed to last for almost a minute. My junk was pulsating for like 40 seconds after I was dry, and a wave of coolness eminated from my prostate. 

Even this morning I had a dry o jacking off with my helix inside. It seemed to bubble up from my prostate. I thought I passed the PONR, and leaked some semen, but I was able to keep going to a nice super T about a minute later. 

I wont say that I am anywhere near rewired, but I am recognizing the sensations and am able to enjoy them alongside traditional stimulation. 

Keep enjoying!

This has always seemed like such a funny question.

Especially, given that the super o came to me long after the aneros auto-fuck HFWO. I kept reading people telling me to stay away from penile satisfaction, when I was experiencing the most amazing thing I had ever discovered.

I learned to draw the aneros into rhythmic anal contractions, auto-fuck the perfect description, legs and dick flailing, ending in sperm flying everywhere.

I had yet to experience anything like the elusive super-o still thought it might be a myth. But if my dick was distracting me from the super-o, I didn't give a shit. I was routinely launched into outer space with a grand climax.

After months of practice, I finally experienced the super o, and realized why it's worth it. The entire body in spasm, for hours at a time, is something else entirely.

Now, I find the super-o has taken over. I'm not sure i can ever get the auto-fuck HFWO back. It sure it fun trying.

@wallybanger - Hopefully you can have both, heh heh.

Posted by: @gnawdol

I have developed absurd ejaculatory control.

Now this is something I am working on, and my success has been fairly limited. I have developed great control during my prostate sessions, both with and without toy, but any penis play brings me close to orgasm very quickly. Do you remember your process, I would love to hear more. I think it would also make a great thread.