P orgasms manually?

Only because it doesn't work for most of us and because it's dangerous.
Keep in mind, that your prostate is a very sensitive organ and can be damaged easily.
If you nevertheless dare to try it your way, take care!

@Superorgasm I agree completely with @SOwithoutAneros. The prostate is a very delicate organ. You just can't go "probing" there unseen; you could do some serious damage. I have a nice electric prostate massager, used it once or twice but don't use it now. Aneros is all I need to achieve wonderful orgasms! Remember you generally don't achieve a prostate orgasm the same way as an ejaculation! You don't "masturbate" your prostate!

How could you damage it? It's hidden behind the rectum you can't even directly touch it. Most men can't even find it. I think the problem seems to be not enough stimulation rather than too much

@SOwithoutAneros

people using the aneros report violent anal contractions which in turn causes the aneros to rock against the prostate creating a cycle. I don't see how you can say it's dangerous and sensitive to do it manually when doing it with an aneros causes such vigorous movements against the prostate and rectum

You can get anal and/or prostate pleasure from manual stimulation. If you know what you are doing there is no danger either.

That being said, the reason I think most people on this forum stick with Aneros (rather than solely manual stimulation) is that the orgasms produced are more varied and fulfilling. Powerful even.
It is 'simpler' to manually stimulate yourself with a different toy. Aneros can take lots or time, dedication and an open mind before you get mind blowing orgasms.

@Superorgasm im presuming you are talking about involuntary contractions in your first message. The reason I personally wait for involuntaries, while encouraging them with manual contractions, is because that is what feels amazing! To have the toy feel like its moving by itself! and to slowly build my arousal to higher levels than more traditional masturbation.

If you are talking about manual contractions then..... don't wait? Clench 😛

(As for "How can you damage it?" If you are too violent with manual stimulation you can and will bruise your prostate through the wall of your rectum. Because it protrudes)

Attention guys, you are being trolled by @Superorgasm ! If you read his previous threads ( https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/beginners-questions-on-super-o & https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/dangers-of-rewiring ) you'll see the pattern. There are some members of this Forum who post with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%2 9">'Troll' like rhetoric espousing their opinions as if they were facts, when in fact their arguments occasionally state outright falsehoods and the logic is often tenuous at best. I hope you don't get caught up in this poster's baiting. Responding to these posts is a futile waste of your time. You can help Aneros Team deter such postings by reporting bothersome posts, if enough members object then action may be taken to curtail this behavior.

rhetoric espousing their opinions as if they were facts, when in fact their arguments occasionally state outright falsehoods and the logic is often tenuous at best.

you are the one who claims to be the self proclaimed expert on this topic which has no basis in science anyway, not me.

you were the one who left the previous threads of mine, because you didn't have the logic to defend your arguments or refute mine.

you are the one making the claim that I'm a troll without any evidence. Where's the logic in that? Where's the evidence that you are not just accusing me of trolling to prevent me from questioning things or stating my views simply because you don't like it?
Much of what you read on here is anecdotal. Where's the evidence that p orgasms are real? Perhaps you are in denial and don't want to accept that there's no such thing as a "p wave " or super orgasm and that all of these terms and ideas are a fabrication?

:p rumel's assertion was just verified

Hey @Superorgasm ,

First of all: I'm not sure if you are really trolling on purpose. I rather think you misunderstood what this forum is and what it's not. You stated various times, that you are sceptic about the aneros and needed some kind of proof. We are not trying to convince anyone here. We try to give advice and guidance to people who are already convinced. We can't give proof, we only share our own experiences with each other. If you think this is all some sort of mumbojumbo or even a scam, you are free to go - nobody is holding you back.

you are the one who claims to be the self proclaimed expert on this topic which has no basis in science anyway, not me.

I doubt @rumel ever proclaimed himself an expert. That's usually something that others say about him in apprecitation of his help and guidance. The status under his name is simply due to a post-counting mechanism, which rumel reached with his 2000+ forum posts in over 10 years.

What you say about the basis in science is an interesting point. You are wrong, there is at least one neurologist doing research on this topic. But the scientific research in general is disappointing though. I would say the aneros community is even more disappointed with that than you are. We want to get noticed, we want to spread the word, we want to know in detail what's happening in our bodies. A common fallacy that I come accross more often in different forums/heated discussions is the naive assumption that everything know to mankind is already properly and throughoutly researched. And that everything that is not covered with a dozen studies can't be true and must not exist. (By that logic women in general are only able to have orgasm since 50 years or so, because scientific proof was only found then.) There is a stunning ignorance of how scientific research is founded, motivated and sparked.

you were the one who left the previous threads of mine, because you didn't have the logic to defend your arguments or refute mine.

That's just your allegation. I'd rather say that rumel left, because convincing people is just not what he is here for. BTW, almost nobody else in this forum puts so much effort in his posts, regarding detail and kindliness. Having brought him to the end of his thether is some kind of achievement I wouldn't be proud of myself.

Much of what you read on here is anecdotal.

That's in the nature of things. We are very few. We are not the tip of the iceberg, we are the iceberg. We try to grow, so that we get recognized when we are many. Science and proof will come only then and not earlier.

Perhaps you are in denial and don't want to accept that there's no such thing as a "p wave " or super orgasm and that all of these terms and ideas are a fabrication?

You are funny. That's like telling a stranger he has no hands while giving him a firm handshake. Things like that make rumel and others believe you are trolling on purpose. I and many others believe what rumel says about (his) super orgasms, because we have them too. And our personal experiences are the same. Here in the forum we learn through sharing, that we are experiencing the same thing. What you do is projecting: you just can't believe us. That's totally fine, but please don't try to convince us, that the things we experience with our own bodies can't be true just because you are not persuaded.

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Nevertheless, I'll try to answer your initial question. You may find this helpful.

Why do you need to wait for contractions before a p orgasm why not just directly stimulate the prostate either by manipulating the tool by hand or using an electric prostate massager? Surely that would be quicker?

That's like saying: "I'm learning to ride a bike but I can't keep my balance. Wouldn't it be easier to go down a steep hill? Surely that would be quicker?" Yeah, quicker with your face on the asphalt.

You don't needcontractions. In fact, you can have orgasms without any twitching muscle. But it's very common to have involuntaries and they are a telltale, that you are on the right way. They are not a necessary trigger, but they can act as booster and start an orgasmic feedback-loop.

You fell for a very common misunderstanding: it's not your prostate doing the magic.

Let me paint you a picture with words.
Imagine an empty room without windows and just a lightbulb hanging from the ceiling and a lightswitch next to you on the wall. The room is your body. The room filled with light is an orgasm (which fills your body). Okay: what organ is the represented by the lightbulb? Which by the lightswitch? Which organ is responsible for the light (orgasm)? Think about this for a second before you read further.

The lightbulb is your brain. Your brain is responsible for orgasm. The brain is doing the magic. The switch is your genitals. They don't produce the orgasm, they just trigger it. Okay, so somebody told you about a new shiny lightswitch model: the prostate-switch, wich is said to be much better than the penis-switch, because the penis-switch only triggers light for a few seconds like in the stairways of apartment buildings. But with the prostate-switch you can leave the light on as long as you like. So you go to the next hardwarestore and get yourself this new kind of lightswitch. What are you gonna do now? Do you take some duct-tape and just tape it to the wall? Would that be enough to trigger the lightbulb. No, of course not, we forgot something: there is wiring under the wallpaper. The wiring is your nervous-system and it has to be connected to you new switch. That's why we call the learning process re-wiring.

In your body the nerve-endings are all allready connected so the analogy is not perfect. The catch is, that you brain has to learn to recognize the input it gets from certain nerve-endings in a specific way. Signals from your penis start arousal in your brain, that's hard-wired so to say. But your brain can learn to build arousal from any cluster of nerve-endings. There are documented cases of quadriplegics who learned to generate arousal and escalate it to orgasm from the touch of their face. It's even covered in a (rather) recent movie. You don't even have to stimulate the nerve-endings manually. Here is a video where the wonderful Barbara Carrellas demonstrates how she does it only with breathing.

Conclusion:
The bottleneck is not the amount of stimulation the prostate gets, but the amount that makes it from the prostate to your brain. The learning part is to recongnize the sensations as something arousing and start the arousal-loop. Learning to sense and channel sensations is way easier with little stimulation than with too much stimulation, because you have to concentrate more on what you are actually feeling. That's why the do-nothing approach works best for the most guys here.

I hope this helps you a bit to understand what this learning process is all about.

Cheers, Unfug

@rumel@Unfug hey guys, thanks so much for what you do - just wanted to say you and all the other helpful and productive individuals here are GREATLY appreciated!