Orgasm Jealousy

Wow, here we go again comparing gender' sexual pleasure levels and worrying so much about it that it consumes so much displeasure thus tipping the point of jealousy to the extreme!

Why can't we let go of something so natural that we can't even begin to control? Why lose sleep over the fact that women have a higher level of sexual pleasure? I for one am happy for them as they also have the burden of monthly messy events that no man on earth wished they had. They also have the difficult task of carrying our offsprings through every conceivable conditions.

I simply wish we, of the make kind, would stop complaining and start just enjoying what we are capable of getting for our own sexual pleasure. Aneros has opened a whole world of unbelievable pleasures still only known to so very few men.

I have so many other, important things to worry about in this complicated world. The fact that so many men are unaware of prostate pleasures (and healthy practices that comes with it) is far more worrying and at least it's something we Anerosers can do something about!

Finally, I will add that I truly enjoy seeing my wife visiting the moon numerous times during our love making sessions and I even take pride in helping her get those pleasures.

BTW, I am proud to be a male and enjoy every moment of being one! Life is too short not to enjoy it.

I'm off my soap now!

Bullsh!t women experience more pleasure from orgasm. Prove that they do. I’ve had orgasms so powerful that I’ve lost sense of reality, and felt if it were any stronger I would be passing out.

@Azrael don't compare & don't get jealous, accept it BUT know you can have just as much pleasure as her or more. So If you want the same orgasmic bliss continue your journey here and now. You are one of the few that has the courage to go down this road and experience pleasure most men will never know. I can tell you nothing compares to having a half hour long non stop orgasm.

... I feel serious envy and jealousy towards women and their orgasms, and it has been that way for pretty much as long as I can remember.

As you noted, this topic has cropped up on the forum numerous times over the years so I'm going to suggest you first read a few of the more salient threads -> Some serious questions, Biggest obstacle: Envy for the oh-so-special female orgasm = huge pressure (especially @Electrified 's post), Are you jealous of the female orgasm? & 18 and ready but.... There are some excellent words of wisdom and truth elucidated in those threads. I think this envy/jealousy concern is more prevalent in younger men but seems to dissipate as we mature and learn to sift through the myths and misconceptions of false thinking and fantasy projections.

After reading a thread on reddit about how transgender people and hormone replacement many MtF posters commented on how much more pleasurable their orgasms were in comparison to before, and it honestly really hurts, badly.

You need to understand that people with gender identity issues are coping with tremendous psychological stress trying to fit into 'normal' society. It is quite understandable that anything which helps them cope with those pressures is going to improve their life well being and that would include their orgasmic enjoyment too. Unless you are suffering from gender identity issues yourself this is not really relevant to your life path, but you can certainly have compassion and sympathy for those people.

it feels like by being born male I have been robbed of a LOT of sexual pleasure, and sexually speaking, I certainly don’t feel very lucky to be one, and I am sure that i’m not alone in feeling this way.

If you are a typical healthy young male you've only partially tapped the potential for pleasure of your own body but you will need to drop the stereotypes of what it means to be a man and accept the positive attributes of simply being a male of the species. Societies vary in what they try to define a 'man' to be but nature has already defined what a man IS and that is the creature within you which you will find to be a miraculous creation, full of wonder, mystery and pleasure.

You may feel unlucky because you fail to see all your potentials, some of which females lack. Men and women's typical social roles have been undergoing dynamic changes in the last 100 years but the physical attributes of the sexes have not changed for millennia. IMHO, these changes are definitely for the better of both sexes as traditional roles for behavior become more flexible. Enlightened men are now able to enjoy the receptive role traditionally reserved for women in sexual activities. This receptive role includes the pleasure of penetrative anal play while we also retain the pleasure of assertive penile play. Women do not get that same opportunity because they lack the penile structure. There is really no reason to be envious from a physical point of view, you actually have an edge over women here, it's in your DNA. Here's a little proof for you, in your embryonic development we all start out physically as female (please see Male-Female Androgyny) but because of that little 'Y' chromosome you went through an extra metamorphosis and developed what are the distinctive characteristics of the male physique, we can rejoice in that happenstance of nature.

It is in the psychological realm where men struggle and this is most often tied to the social/cultural indoctrination of misguided concepts of 'manliness' when we really need to be teaching the full range of maleness potential. Clinging to outdated concepts puts you into a limiting box and suppresses your innate creative spirit from growing. The fact you've come to this forum indicates you are ready to break out of that box and you can!

... have any of you dealt with similar frustrations/issues?

Yes, when I was younger I too dealt with this perceived inequality of pleasure potential but as I matured, all the while continuing to learn more about the physical nature of our two sexes, I learned to accept there would be inevitable differences to our (male/female) responses to human sexual play but to also revel in the magic and mystery of those differences.

How have prostate/super orgasms effected these issues?

The Aneros journey has been a catalyst to accelerate the learning process but more importantly it has also been a catalyst to dissolve the walls of the cultural/self created limit box.

Do you still feel jealous of female orgasms?

NO, absolutely not, now that I know I have the ability to have multiple orgasms with no limits to the pleasure my body is capable of producing. Additionally, I now have greater empathy for the struggles which women have to deal with to reach their orgasms.

Do you think prostate orgasms are comparable at all?

If you're asking if prostate orgasm are comparable to penile orgasms, I'd have to respond it's somewhat of an 'apples vs. oranges' discussion. The two types of orgasm are qualitatively different. you might find the thread is prostate orgasm not as intense as penile orgasm? helpful here.

If you're asking if prostate orgasms are comparable to female orgasms then that question may never be adequately answered because we can't easily change our biological sex apparatus to truly know the differences. Sure, a man can go through sex reassignment surgery and hormone replacement therapy which will alter emotional responses but that is still not going to replicate all the parts of a true natural female. At best the orgasmic response is going to be something different but not a true equivalent off a female orgasm.

Anecdotal descriptions from women about their orgasms and from men about their prostate based orgasms do share many similarities, my intuition tells me these are comparable pleasure experiences despite the physical source differences. Remember, the pleasure of the orgasm is orchestrated more in the mind than in the gentals or erotic spots of the body. There may be minor differences in the male and female brain which could concevably affect the orgasmic experience but overall I think nature has a tendency to balance out these aspects. IMHO, there is no logical reason for you to make yourself depressed about an inequality which probably does not exist. Good Vibes to You !

You may feel unlucky because you fail to see all your potentials, some of which females lack. Men and women's typical social roles have been undergoing dynamic changes in the last 100 years but the physical attributes of the sexes have not changed for millennia. IMHO, these changes are definitely for the better of both sexes as traditional roles for behavior become more flexible. Enlightened men are now able to enjoy the receptive role traditionally reserved for women in sexual activities. This receptive role includes the pleasure of penetrative anal play while we also retain the pleasure of assertive penile play. Women do not get that same opportunity because they lack the penile structure. There is really no reason to be envious from a physical point of view, you actually have an edge over women here, it's in your DNA. Here's a little proof for you, in your embryonic development we all start out physically as female (please see Male-Female Androgyny) but because of that little 'Y' chromosome you went through an extra metamorphosis and developed what are the distinctive characteristics of the male physique, we can rejoice in that happenstance of nature.

At the moment I certainly don’t feel like rejoicing, do you really think that a male’s pleasure potential is as high as that of a female?
I guess you’re right about having at least a slight edge in that regard
I am at least somewhat aware of the homology of male and female anatomy but womens reactions to orgasm and pleasure in general seem so much more intense and vocal

Yes, when I was younger I too dealt with this perceived inequality of pleasure potential but as I matured, all the while continuing to learn more about the physical nature of our two sexes, I learned to accept there would be inevitable differences to our (male/female) responses to human sexual play but to also revel in the magic and mystery of those differences.The Aneros journey has been a catalyst to accelerate the learning process but more importantly it has also been a catalyst to dissolve the walls of the cultural/self created limit box.

NO, absolutely not, now that I know I have the ability to have multiple orgasms with no limits to the pleasure my body is capable of producing. Additionally, I now have greater empathy for the struggles which women have to deal with to reach their orgasms.

Is that something that all, or at least most men can achieve through prostate stimulation though? Again I am really trying my best to be as optimistic as possible about this but it honestly does sound at least a little too good to be true, I’m sorry if my skepticism rubs you the wrong way at all.
Has there been any scientific study/research put into prostate based orgasms at all (that you’re aware of), would you (or anyone else here) be willing to volunteer for said research?

If you're asking if prostate orgasms are comparable to female orgasms then that question may never be adequately answered because we can't easily change our biological sex apparatus to truly know the differences. Sure, a man can go through sex reassignment surgery and hormone replacement therapy which will alter emotional responses but that is still not going to replicate all the parts of a true natural female. At best the orgasmic response is going to be something different but not a true equivalent off a female orgasm.

Anecdotal descriptions from women about their orgasms and from men about their prostate based orgasms do share many similarities, my intuition tells me these are comparable pleasure experiences despite the physical source differences. Remember, the pleasure of the orgasm is orchestrated more in the mind than in the gentals or erotic spots of the body. There may be minor differences in the male and female brain which could concevably affect the orgasmic experience but overall I think nature has a tendency to balance out these aspects. IMHO, there is no logical reason for you to make yourself depressed about an inequality which probably does not exist. Good Vibes to You !

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Ultimately the thing I want the most out of this is to feel that I as a male am capable of feeling as much orgasmic pleasure as a woman does, and to view my own body in the same sensual, sexual and pleasurable way as a woman’s, to not feel inferior in terms of pleasure, and I really hope that this inequality truly does not exist.
Do you think this is achievable?
And how has prostate based pleasure changed how you view male bodies?

... do you really think that a male’s pleasure potential is as high as that of a female?

Yes !

... womens reactions to orgasm and pleasure in general seem so much more intense and vocal.

One factor at work here, in our current cultural milieu woman are allowed, encouraged and sometimes even expected to be more open and expressive of their emotional states than men. There is also the social stereotype about appropriate male behavior in society where men are idealized for being '...the strong silent type...'. Another factor which may be coloring your thoughts are unrealistic expectations from watching too much pornography, remember most pornography is scripted behavior based on male fantasies, the behaviors exhibited are exaggerated at the minimum and absurdly fake at the extreme. The range of expressive behavior in real women is quite varied.

Is that something that all, or at least most men can achieve through prostate stimulation though?

Unfortunately, No, not all men will be capable of achieving prostate orgasms. Men who have suffered traumatic injury, disease or removal of the prostate probably won't. The majority of men in this world will probably never even be exposed to this information and many of those who are will not even attempt to pursue this path for social, cultural or religious reasons. However, I do believe most men who are otherwise healthy, open minded about breaking through the taboos & smashing the stereotypes, have a positive attitude, patient and are willing to put forth the effort to learn these skills will derive substantial pleasure from their learning. It comes down to your own thinking and belief, if you believe it is possible then it is, if you believe it is "...too good to be true,..." then it is that also. Your thought paradigm is what makes it happen.

Has there been any scientific study/research put into prostate based orgasms at all (that you’re aware of), would you (or anyone else here) be willing to volunteer for said research?

While there have been numerous medical studies/research done on prostate diseases/conditions and treatments for those diseases (e.g. please see the ongoing Columbia Medical School study, I am not aware of any scientific studies specifically targeting the pleasure aspects of prostate massage. There was a recently published article about an unusual case of Prostate‐induced orgasms: A concise review illustrated with a highly relevant case study which you might like to read. I certainly would be willing to participate in any such study (please see the thread Support for scientific research) and I'm sure there are many members here on the forum who would gladly participate as well.

Ultimately the thing I want the most out of this is to feel that I as a male am capable of feeling as much orgasmic pleasure as a woman does, and to view my own body in the same sensual, sexual and pleasurable way as a woman’s, to not feel inferior in terms of pleasure, and I really hope that this inequality truly does not exist.
Do you think this is achievable?

ABSOFUCKINLUTELY !!!

And how has prostate based pleasure changed how you view male bodies?

It hasn't changed that at all except to give me greater appreciation for the miracle our bodies are.
Good Vibes to You !

Rumel has accurately pointed out that pornography tends to be exaggerated. Achieving the "massive" orgasms that pornstars have isn't something that I would realistically expect.

Back to your point, you can be rest assured you're not the first one that wished we had the capability of multiple orgasms like females. But the truth is that we do, and the intensity has no limits.

The further you are into the Aneros journey, the more you realise that the traditional ejaculatory orgasm isn't a peak but a mark to end a session. The physiology is already in place, it is the psychological part that needs to attune to the sensations and get into the right state of mind. It isn't something you can hope to achieve in a few days and may take quite a while to reach prostate/super os but when you do, the envy will go away.

Rather than having envy or feeling jealous towards women, I would rather be happy for them that they can experience such pleasure. Good for them 🙂 On the other hand there are some women who for one reason or another can not reach climax or orgasm, I’m not sure how many blokes have that problem:) My advice would be to try out an Aneros device of your choice, give yourself some time and then see how you feel. There are untapped resources waiting to be discovered.
Good luck.

Prove.
Women.
Have.
More.
Intense.
Orgasms.

To me, this forum is all about sharing details of struggles, techniques, success stories and questions on a topic so obscure to most men in this world. Every day, we welcome new members and we wish we had many many more men discovering the wonderful world of prostate bliss.

@Azrael, you are young and new in your journey; take the time to enjoy the pleasures that are available to you. Once fully rewired, you might reconsider this topic as you will further understand the expert's wisdom offered to you today.

Good vibes to you.

I usually lurk, but gotta jump in on this one. Azrael -- I'm now in my 60s and I assume you're much younger. I can tell you with absolute certainty, and from experience, that female orgasm experiences and capabilities are about as varied as males. Every person -- male or female -- is wired uniquely and there's simply no way to decisively conclude that women necessarily have more enjoyable orgasms than men. Personally, I have experienced mind blowing, time-shifting, earth-shattering orgasms (but not always), while my wife/partner (call it what you will) experienced little to nothing despite all my efforts. I have also experienced the opposite -- times when I needed to work to maintain myself while my other half needed no coaxing. Be happy with your maleness and don't be jealous. There's variables and difficulties on both sides.

There is too much in this chain of posts for me to absorb. I scanned most of it. The only thing I can add is that (for me) rewiring allowed me to let my feminine side emerge. I have lost my male assertiveness in pleasure and become more sensually perceptive. In essence I am listening to my body and following the euphoric sensations, allowing them to saturate me. I feel like I am not having orgasms I am experiencing orgasms in my pelvis, anus and perineum. This translates to making me feel like I am floating in ecstasy. My sessions are two to three hour long choreographed erotic experiences. I am feeling every bit as much pleasure as a woman maybe more.

@Azrael

Thanks for posing the question... Honestly, for me jealousy had never crossed my mind (prior to Aneros or now). I’ve actually felt the exact opposite - very lucky and pleased with my maleness. There are lots of obvious signs when I’m turned on (erection, scrotal movement). And of course, most men can ejaculate. Personally, I would not trade those for anything.

Now that I’ve had dry O’s, multiple dry O’s and writhed around in Aneros fueled pleasure, I am definitely happy with what I am.

Sex has become painful for my wife. She hasn’t orgasmed in 11 years. I feel bad for her and do not envy her complicated plumbing. She can’t compartmentalize issues... so any problem in her life affects all other aspects and she often is not fully enjoying life (worries about everything)... me on the other hand (and most men, near as I can tell) can temporarily set issues aside and still enjoy the moment.

i’ve witnessed female sex partners have orgasms over the years and most seemed to describe it as flutters, several have clenched up, moaned and sucked wind through their teeth. I’ve never seen one come close to a “porn orgasm” and my bullshit detector goes off watching nearly any porn video.

so the true orgasms that I’ve seen look and sound okay, maybe a little weak.

Does the mythical female porn orgasm look yummy to me - sure. Jealous? No. Im very happy with my real prostate orgasms.

maybe I’m just not a masterful lover and have undersatisfied, but from where I stand, I’m happy.

You might be suffering from “the grass is always greener on the other side”. Sometimes we forget just how good things are on our side of the fence.

I’m sorry to hear this has you feeling down... What aspects do you feel you’re missing out on and what are you not finding satisfying?

You know..sometimes you can over think and over analyse things. Ok..I’ve pulled the wife into this for you,she says clit and ejacualtion orgasms seem the same,from what I’ve told her,her vaginal orgasms seem similar to our prostate orgasms,and her full body orgasms and our super-o the same..however she said your generalising..she tells me many women struggle to cum vaginally because they can’t relax and turn themselves on enough,so most make do with stimulation of the clit during sex to have an orgasm. A friend once told her she’s never had an orgasm at all,and other ppl in life have said they’ve struggled to cum vaginally..she says this learning curve of relaxing and rewire we are on for our prostate goals is how it is for a lot of women all of the time,so women don’t necessarily have all the cream..she also says she doesn’t have super o all the time,she has to be very comfortable and relaxed upstairs..any distraction will keep it away. Azy..maybe you should just focus on sex with girls and your prostate journey,focus on your own pleasure and don’t worry about others. 😉

its all smoke and mirrors, even money power etc, that's what drives the infinite reincarnation. Instead we all should look for enlightenment, let go all the desires

@HereByAccident
Thank you all for the kind words.
my jealousy mostly stems from the fact the womens genitals (and bodies for that matter) seem more sensitive and pleasurable to touch, and a woman can have seemingly endless orgasms just by rubbing herself.
Its kinda made worse by the fact that a lot of articles I’ve found about the topic of “improving your orgasm” or something of a similar vain also seem to be written under a similar premise :/
Do you think any of that is true at all?
I’m hoping achieving prostate orgasms will at least lessen this feeling of jealousy.
@Tommygunn
I had no idea some women had it so bad, although I haven’t been with many, so maybe thats at least a partial explanation for my ignorance
I really do hope those comparisons are accurate, it makes me feel a lot better
I also appreciate the effort you went into by asking your wife
I certainly will, and I feel like I’m making fairly good super o progress as well
@gnawdol
That sounds amazing, I hope to get to were you’re at some day

@Azrael Do I think women are more sensitive to touch?

It really varies... I've been with women who feel nothing, women who feel pain, women who can't get enough and ones in the middle. And even one woman can vary depending on mood.

I've seen enough of the full spectrum and I personally am not jealous.

My bits are darn sensitive both when I was younger and still today.. with Aneros and Kegels all my bits have "woken up" like never before.

I obviously don't know you well enough to offer advice... but since your seeking...

a) I encourage you to try Aneros/ Kegels for a year and focus on you.

b) Other options (gender conversion) sound pretty drastic - maybe consider those as a last resort?

c) the grass often looks greener on the other side of the fence. So consider that the jealousy you feel now might be driven by less than 100% of the full picture.