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Hello folks 🙂

I just registered and this is my first post and I would like to clarify two things directly in the beginning. The first is that I am not a native English speaker. If I use strange phrases or use a lot of quotation marks: I don't know how to describe things better and hope that you still get what I want to say somehow 😉

The second thing is, that there already are two topics ("Almost there? Tonight was crazy" and "Heart reate went too high and got me scared"), that kind of fit to my "problem", but in the most threads / topics I already read there was no "hey, I've got the same problems but different, what you say about my problem?"-culture (kind of "stealing the show"), so that I was unsure to comment and decided to create a new topic.

Now to the question, that also could be misunderstood. It has nothing to do with "orgasm is not enough" or something. It's more about the things, that happen to you after a so called super-o or "just" a pretty intense orgasm. Once you are done: Do you feel some kind of release? A feeling of being satisfied and that you had enough?

I'll try to explain in short, why I ask this: I own a Helix Syn (and some other toys) a while now and it really took a long time to at least feel anything. About one or two months ago I had a feeling, that really spread out all over my body, but it was more a kind of warmth and tingling body parts and it felt very nice instead of an "explosion" with moaning or twitching or something. But this feeling lasted about 2 seconds and it was gone.

A few days ago I reached this state again but for longer. It felt really good again, but my heart really began to "hammer" and I started to sweat and the moment I tried not to be too excited to avoid thoughts like "this must be it" and focusing on relaxation, it already was gone again. (I would like to compare the situation to dreaming, where you realize that you dream and suddenly get thrown out of your dream.)

Now the important thing: After that feeling my genital area still felt like it was going to burst and I was horny like hell. It took me about 2 hours to lose this feeling without "touching myself" (I was trying nofap* for not even a whole week and didn't want to "break the rules" already) and I was really disappointed / unsatisfied, because it felt so incomplete / undone... like being teased from your girlfriend for hours and not being allowed to finish. And when I asked my girlfriend, what an orgasm feels like for her it was more like an answer I would give in relation to jerking off: Kind of building up a pleasureable pressure and then having a peak, that releases all pressure and morphs it into a good feeling. Only difference: For her it lasts about 15-20 seconds and is kind of a full body experience while it is much shorter for me and more a local feeling.

So I wonder how it feels for you super-o guys after having one. Is it possible, that I had one and only was still aroused or have I been only close to it but couldn't relax enough? Or could this lasting "pressure" be a sign of something bad?
(Edit: Of course I know, that you can't read my words and exactly tell, what it was. But maybe anyone had the same "problem"?)

I will try again soon and see what happens, but maybe you already can link me to experience threads / topics where this already has been answered or leave me an answer here.

Thanks for anything in advance.

*I wasn't "nofapping" because of health reasons or religion or something. It was more because of an article I read about rewiring, where it said, that it would take about three weeks without any sexual interaction to get rid of old behaviours and be more aware of what happens to your prostate / anal area. And I already stopped the experiment the next day after my experience described above, because I couldn't stand it and wanted relief 😀


   
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@ruffriff I think you are expressing yourself very well! IMHO, you are progressing fine. I would suggest just taking your time, relax and don't try to over-analyze your sessions. I wouldn't even try to "analyze" whether or not you experienced a Super-O or how you should feel after an intense session. Just let it happen.

Regarding your "no- fapping" stance, in my opinion, again I would not over-analyze nor be too concerned about ejaculating in combination with your Aneros sessions. I did so for a while (about an hour or two after the session) with the Helix Classic. Sometimes you just have to release all that sexual energy.

Just learn to listen to your body (and your prostate) and you will continue to make great progress! Good luck!


   
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@ruffriff When I super-o during a session I feel deeply satisfied afterwards. I have next to no desire to jerk off. It usually leaves me feeling pretty happy too. Even the next day I feel a lot better than normal.

"don't try to over-analyze your sessions. I wouldn't even try to "analyze" whether or not you experienced a Super-O or how you should feel after an intense session."

"I would not over-analyze nor be too concerned about ejaculating in combination with your Aneros sessions."

Man this advice has been so true for me. In the past I've thought to myself. "has it really been enough days since my last ejaculation to have a session?" But honestly that stuff doesn't really matter that much. Sure in general I have better sessions the longer it's been, but I've had plenty of sessions the very next day that were amazing. It's super easy to over-analyze this shit especially in the beginning. At some point you'll reach a level where it all makes a whole lot more sense.


   
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Now to the question,.. after a so called super-o or "just" a pretty intense orgasm. Once you are done: Do you feel some kind of release? A feeling of being satisfied and that you had enough?

Some men do and some men don't feel a sense of release, I've personally experienced both types of reaction. Since embarking on this remarkable Aneros journey I've discovered many new nuances to the orgasmic experience. I truly understand that an orgasm is on a continuum from almost undetectable to lost body awareness and free floating bliss consciousness. I think you need to re-read the Super-O definition, especially the last paragraph. Perhaps reading What's an Orgasm? and @Buster 's thread What exactly is a Super-O? will help resolve this issue for you.

After that feeling my genital area still felt like it was going to burst and I was horny like hell. It took me about 2 hours to lose this feeling without "touching myself"...and I was really disappointed / unsatisfied, because it felt so incomplete / undone... like being teased from your girlfriend for hours and not being allowed to finish. So I wonder how it feels for you super-o guys after having one. Is it possible, that I had one and only was still aroused or have I been only close to it but couldn't relax enough? Or could this lasting "pressure" be a sign of something bad?

It is not a sign of anything 'bad'! It is totally possible you did have a Super-O but you were expecting something more familiar like a traditional orgasm/ejaculation.

The frustration you are experiencing is a very common phenomenon with new Aneros users, the Aneros experience is not a race or competition but a learning journey without an end point. Frustration is the result of expectations not being met, when you start dropping your expectations I suspect your frustrations will abate with them. I would recommend you read the two threads Identifying Obstacles to Progress and the companion thread Identifying Facilitators to Progress.

What your reaction also indicates is you are holding onto an addiction you have to a traditional orgasm/ejaculation induced hormonal cascade (dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, prolactin, etc.). Prostate based orgasms are qualitatively different and the hormonal response is different as well. Rewiring is the process of coming to habituate these different responses as perfectly normal alternate pathways to orgasmic fulfillment. By practicing these alternate pathways you gradually weaken the addictive nature of the prior neural programming associated with orgasm in your brain. Rewiring/learning takes advantage of our inherent neuroplasticity to actually alter our brain functionality.

...because of an article I read about rewiring, where it said, that it would take about three weeks without any sexual interaction to get rid of old behaviours and be more aware of what happens to your prostate / anal area.

Unfortunately you have fallen victim to a common urban myth about habits and their formation, please read this article about it -> Habit Formation: The 21-Day Myth. There is really no set time period for behavioral changes to become habituated. There is a cause and effect interaction to any habit, changing the effect without addressing the triggers (the cause) may prove pointless. Stopping masturbation (an effect) to elicit another effect (greater body awareness) is likewise likely to prove fruitless. The cause here is your mental focus, change that and your behavior will change as well (it goes back to the neuroplasticity principle).

@goldenboy gave you some good advice which was also confirmed by @buryniceusername, you've embarked upon a remarkable learning journey. You won't learn everything in a few days or even in a few months, it could even take years (though it probably won't) to become proficient so be patient with yourself, you'll figure it out, allow yourself to have adventurous fun, exploring all around your psyche and playing with your body.
Good Vibes to You !
P.S. I sent you an introductory message with some additional hints and tips to get you started here. Click on your 'Messages' button in the Forums to retrieve it.


   
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Hey guys ( @goldenboy , @buryniceusername , @rumel ) , thank you very much for your answers!
Well I am at work, so that I can't write very much, but I wanted to let you know, that I read your answers and didn't find the time to answer, but I will, hopefully in much more detail than now 😉

The other thing I wanted to let you know is, that maybe the mention of the two threads (heart rate and almost there) may have irritated you in terms of my question. I must admit, that I didn't really explain well. The both threads kind of fit to my experience I had, because there was "something" in a length I never experienced before and I felt my heart bumping pretty fast and loud. But I didn't really want to label that or get to know what exactly it was. My primary concern was the feeling after this "something", the urge to be somehow relieved. Don't know if wanking would have stopped the feeling. And it wasn't a bad feeling. But it was already about 3:30 AM when I reached this "something" and I wanted to sleep, but couldn't until about 5:40 AM 😉

So it was more a worry about "is this normal?" and "is my prostate okay?" (if it really was the prostate longing for something). And maybe a stupid question: Is it possible, that a prostate can burst? -> Okay, I just googled it: it can't 😀

I know that this is not a "race" for the super-o and even if I was at that point in the beginning and very frustrated sometimes because of "no feelings", I am much more calm now and was able to lower expectations and appreciate even small good vibes. I think I am not completely there, because sometimes I still catch myself thinking "aww 🙁 I really would have liked to reach more", but like it's said multiple times in multiple topics: It's a journey. (For me about a year now. I ordered the Helix Syn in April and the Progasm Black Ice in Mai 2017.)

That for now. Later more...


   
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I think you are expressing yourself very well! IMHO, you are progressing fine. I would suggest just taking your time, relax and don't try to over-analyze your sessions. I wouldn't even try to "analyze" whether or not you experienced a Super-O or how you should feel after an intense session. Just let it happen.

Okay. But as I said in my former "short" answer: That wasn't really my goal. Of course I am still kind of curious if I will reach that point again and what may happen, but it doesn't matter to me, if it was an orgasm or not. It was a pretty good feeling and that's enough 🙂 ... although a scientist also likes to give new species a name. I think it's more like that. It would only help me to express different levels of pleasure, but it wouldn't have any influence on how I experienced that feeling. More "naming the child" than measuring the quality.

Regarding your "no- fapping" stance, in my opinion, again I would not over-analyze nor be too concerned about ejaculating in combination with your Aneros sessions. I did so for a while (about an hour or two after the session) with the Helix Classic. Sometimes you just have to release all that sexual energy.

Thank you for sharing your experience. If I wouldn't have tried to not fap that night I surely would just have done it. And even if I sometimes actually worried about that it might throw me back or manifest a "wrong" behaviour or something, because I read that it might be counterproductive to touch your genitals, I also fapped one day in the morning and had a nice session (by far not that strong like described, but somehow pleasurable) in the evening, even if it says - I think it was in the manual - that you shouldn't ejaculate at least 24 hours before you start a session. (Wow that was a long sentence o_O. Hope you read it anyway ^^)

Just learn to listen to your body (and your prostate) and you will continue to make great progress! Good luck!

Thanks, I hope I will 🙂

When I super-o during a session I feel deeply satisfied afterwards. I have next to no desire to jerk off. It usually leaves me feeling pretty happy too. Even the next day I feel a lot better than normal.

Thanks for sharing your experience. Well, I will see what it will be like the next time I reach this point. I truly wish it would be like your experience, but even if not: Like said above -> this time I'd release the load 😛
And your thoughts about the "downtime" could have been mine ^^

Some men do and some men don't feel a sense of release, I've personally experienced both types of reaction.

That's interesting. So "results may vary". The answers of you guys really calm me in view of my "pressure-problem".

And @rumel : thank you for all those tips and links. But it seems, that I read most of them already. Didn't remember the titles, but i recognized some topics when reading the content. I really read a lot here and in the Wiki and so many other sources, so that I can't remember everything anymore. Because of that I re-read the super-o and orgasm definitions and by doing that I think I can tell, that it was some kind of orgasm, but not a super-o, if it really is that common, that you have overwhelming feelings or spasms or something. Either I didn't recognize them, because I was so focused on the sensation or it actually was "the little brother". But like said: It's far less important to me, than you might think. Of course I am wondering "what was this?", but yeah... it was something, and it was good.

About the addiction to traditional orgasms: I think you might be right about that. And because I thought a non traditional orgasm is more comparable to womens orgasms, I asked my girlfriend and she kind of confirmed my thoughts, that there should be a "cooldown", so that I decided to ask you guys for advice.

I think the frustration I mentioned was more because of the fact, that I restricted myself to not fap than the actual experience. Compared to former sessions this was amazing. But I wanted to sleep and I didn't want to fap. -> Frustrating conflict.
The frustration of not feeling anything is something I also experienced, but like said in the former reply: I think I am mostly past this point / attitude.

To the behaviour change by nofapping: Thank you for your somehow scientific approach. In other words: Fap as much as you want, because not fapping wouldn't change a thing and focusing on other pleasures is the key 😉 ... I think I got it. Won't try that again.

A few last words I would like to say: I really am on a journey and not only an aneros journey. I broke through the mind blockade, that it is weird to touch yourself. I don't know exactly the context anymore, but I remember my brother in teenager age telling me something like "ew... were you touching yourself?" and that I wasn't really doing anything, but that this negative association stayed for a very long time. I never thought how much pleasure my nipples could unleash. Same to the "anal pleasure is gay pleasure and gay is bad"-blockade. I even tried hands-free-orgasm-hypnosis audio and didn't really orgasm (at least not the traditional way), but it worked to get me very aroused. Never thought this was possible. And I don't know why, but when listening to an audio file like that, I don't fall asleep. But when lying there with a device inside and not listening to anything I barely can hold my eyes open. So there is a lot going on at the moment...


   
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Hello again folks!
It's been a while since my last post and I can say that pretty much nothing developed in all that months and that it never came to anything more than a slight tingle if even anything at all. But last sunday I had an experience, that was... well... different. Spoiler: Don't expect the "oh my god, that must have been a super-o"-story.

I had my progasm inside me and about an hour nothing happened and dinner was ready. So after eating (with my progasm still inserted) I went back to bed (laying on my back; feet on the mattress) and after some time I started to breathe more "chaotic" (unwillingly) and a sudden urge in my legs forced me to stretch them and shake them out and my upper body was twitching a bit. This lasted for about two seconds. So I put my feet back on the mattress, waited some time and then it happened again. Additionally in both cases my anus contracted pretty strong and I was wondering if I did it actively or if those were the so called "involuntary contractions".

And now to the thing that I am wondering about. It doesn't really bother me or I don't want to overanalyze or categorize something... it's more based on what I read in these forums and what I saw in a video (that was posted somewhere here). The described leg/body shake really was just that. There was no other feeling involved or at least I didn't recognize that. What I felt in the process was, that I became very aroused and as my girlfriend came in I wanted to fuck her or wanted her to jerk me off very badly. And as she did the latter one I came pretty intense.

So I can't deny, that "something" happened. But in my head there is this video with the moaning, shaking, kind of jumping guy and those descriptions of peoples bodies shaking because of the orgasm and so on so that I think, that if this was a kind of orgasm it should somehow "make me feel something", right?

Or is it just a normal step in the process, that your body already responds to the stimuli and your mind just needs to get used to it?

Or did my girlfriend just interrupt me in a key situation, that I just should have been in longer?

Don't get me wrong: even if there was no "Aha!" effect or no special feeling I think it was a good session and I want to believe that it was a step forward. I am just wondering if other people here had likewise experiences.

I will try again soon and see what happens. But a thing I might have learned is, that I maybe misinterpreted involuntary contractions as voluntary ones. Sometimes in former sessions I felt the urge to contract (like moving your penis when it's erect) and thought I would have to relax more, because if I would give in to this urge it would be an "active" contraction, right? But this time I didn't really think about it and contracted when I felt the urge. Maybe that was the key to more stimulus on the prostate and that the trigger for the urge to "move". Or the key factor was, that I didn't ejaculate for exactly one week. I don't know.


   
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Right after I wrote my last post I went into the bathroom and took the Progasm for a ride again. This time no distraction, because my girlfriend already slept. Perfect!

And yay! I was able to reach that point again. And there was development in intensity of the movements. First it was a sudden twitch of my right leg. Then it went to my butt muscles, witch twitched a bit. Then a while nothing. Then I couldn't hold my legs still and sometimes it moved up my body, so that my whole body was moving. Chaotic breathing, contractions of abdominal muscles sometimes and I was just fascinated by what was happening.

But again: No special feelings. Just the twitching and moving and the joy of "hey, it seems like something finally happens!".


   
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I have been experiencing something similar for few months until recently. My muscles would randomly twitch. Sometimes my calf muscle and sometimes back muscle. Then my abdominal muscles would clench and then anal muscles and so forth. But there was no pleasure. I would just lay disconnected from my body watching how it seemingly tries to tear itself apart.

I searched the forums and it turned out other folks run into this or similar situation. The solution reported was to keep breathing. Even when your whole body is vibrating in crazy dance you need to "insist" on even belly breathing and relaxation. I know it doesn't make any sense! I did not believe it was possible and sounded counter-intuitive. All my previous experience with traditional sex suggested that I needed to 'push harder' or hold my breath or something. But breathing worked. When I controlled breathing as I approached this stage a new sensation showed up. It was something to the effect of "this can not continue anymore and something will happen". And it did, but on second or third try.


   
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