Newbie looking for some pro-tips for letting go/getting past tipping point. I’m straight, middle-aged, and up until two months ago had zero experience with prostate/anal play. I bought a Helix Classic two months ago. I’m making slow but steady progress and have read many of the detailed and really helpful posts on this site. My best sessions so far are encouraging: I feel warmth, pleasing aching in the groin and genitals, vibrating testes and shaft, the occasional unexpected deep contraction. If I have the house to myself for long enough, following Darwin’s advice, I smoke some weed. Without weed, the sessions are considerably less dramatic—not much happens. For now, that doesn’t worry me since I presume that once I break through while high, my body will remember what to do if I’m not high.
The sessions are most definitely pleasurable. But I haven’t had an HFO, I don’t think I’ve had a P-wave (at least judging from descriptions), and no dry-Os, nor oozing pre-cum. Occasionally I feel something really intense and pleasant (like high-pressure ripples running up and down my penis), but it never lasts more than a few seconds.
Reviewing the various posts, my own self-diagnosis is that I am struggling with letting go and abandoning egocentric control. It seems like my lower half is ready to party but the upper half is calling the police about noise.
I am assuming (I hope rightly—can anyone shed light?) that if I’m having the reactions I’ve had so far, it is not an issue of the model not fitting me right? I follow the milestones chart on the wiki. I’ve been ticking off various examples of milestones. Yesterday I got my first erection during a session. So the progress is there but I think my brain is still unwilling to let go. I try to focus only on my breathing and not “do” anything, but once I start feeling something good, I’m unable not to focus on it and I forget that I’m supposed to be focusing on breathing. Even my distraction-avoidance plan can become a distraction. The really big milestones still elude me and I’ve never come close to the full-body craziness described by many on this forum.
Any reactions to my analysis would be welcome. If anyone has had a similar trajectory and similar obstacles, I’d love to hear what got you through to the other side! Thank you in advance.
Reviewing the various posts, my own self-diagnosis is that I am struggling with letting go and abandoning egocentric control. It seems like my lower half is ready to party but the upper half is calling the police about noise.
I am assuming (I hope rightly—can anyone shed light?) that if I’m having the reactions I’ve had so far, it is not an issue of the model not fitting me right?
Love the description...
I am no expert, in similar boat to you.. maybe slightly further along. I would say it does fit but it takes time and a lot of work for some of us. Getting on 2 years for me. I have expanded my collection somewhat in that time. My advice is everyone reacts differently to each model so whilst the majority should "fit" and "work" you may have better reactions from another model.
Lately I have been exploring the helix trident and tempo and my Syns have not been used for quite some time.
@hfrankie, welcome to the forum. Here are my two cents if you like.
I wouldn't change the horse so fast. Two month aren't a long time. How often do you enjoy your tool? Once a week? It's better to count the sessions than the months. That doesn't mean a daily use would be more successful, indeed you will need your refractory periods to deepen your rewiring.
Concerning the weed it's quite the same as with alcohol, some people consuming it will get excited, others may fall into deep sleep. Perhaps you should put such things aside for now.
What I just experienced might instead be helpful. In contrast to your efforts to suppress all distractions, you could simply overdo them.
During my morning Aless I made some funny experiences today. Thinking about how to distinguish between intended contractions and involuntaries, I started to imitate those convulsions deliberately. I did this only for a few seconds then kept still and waiting. Suddenly real involuntaries of unusual power came over me. I went on with this method and could finally say that everytime about two to four seconds later my gland reacted on my mind's "proposal". It felt a bit like tickling and piqueing the gland to act. Thus a picture came into my mind drawing two brains, my conscious brain in my upper body connected with very short wires to ears and eyes for environmental apperception and my prostate in my lower body as my second brain for inner perception or subception connected with some quite longer wires to my mind. If you think about the Kundalini as unwinding snake connecting both minds you can hardly refuse to accept that orgasms are more a mind thing than anything else.
What I try to explain is, that you just have scratched the surface of what's in the hidden. Now it's your turn to explore the hidden, to examine NEW sensations. Your mind and even more your subconscious mind will hold you back, because that's the way mankind survived, to avoid danger. On the other hand it will persuade you to find satisfaction and relief the good old way, f. e. rubbing one out. This is one of the biggest hurdles because the NEW sensations are quite different and not obvious at first sight or only notion.
In a nutshell, you have to unlearn before you can see. Like a child you have to jump into a puddle without fear but with curiosity about what might happen and how it might feel.
Good vibes and good luck for your journey. Stick to it, the best ist yet to come.
Mart
Newbie looking for some pro-tips for letting go/getting past tipping point.
What makes you believe there is any "tipping point" ? This could be your first myth to overcome, (please see Super-O Myths & Illusions regarding 'the Edge' and a couple of other myths. Unfortunately our culture indoctrinates men with numerous false or misleading beliefs about what constitutes 'normal' male sexual/sensual behavior. These false beliefs later become obstacles for men exploring and expanding their own sexuality.
I smoke some weed. Without weed, the sessions are considerably less dramatic—not much happens. For now, that doesn’t worry me since I presume that once I break through while high, my body will remember what to do if I’m not high.
While cannabis intoxication does alter your consciousness allowing you to sidestep some of the cultural inhibitions we all carry with us, I think it is a mistake to assume this is a key to progress. There are many other factors that contribute heavily to successful orgasmic Anerosessions with arousal being a key factor (see Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence &
Are you "aroused"?). Cannabis use may or may not help with the arousal factor.
The sessions are most definitely pleasurable. I don’t think I’ve had a P-wave (at least judging from descriptions), and no dry-Os, nor oozing pre-cum. Occasionally I feel something really intense and pleasant ... but it never lasts more than a few seconds.
If your Anerosessions are pleasant then you have been experiencing P-waves, they're probably just not be as intense as you might have expected them to be.
Reviewing the various posts, my own self-diagnosis is that I am struggling with letting go and abandoning egocentric control.
Yeah, this is a common obstacle for many men. Part of the reason is they have yet to make the pardigm shift in thinking about what constitutes an orgasm in the first place (see What's an Orgasm?).
Secondly, too many men think their prostate based orgasms should mirror their penile based ejaculatory orgasms, this is clearly in error. Prostate based orgasms are qualitatively different from penile stimulated orgasms, not necessarily better or worse, but different. As such, a different thought approach is needed and some men resist having to change their thought patterns to accommodate this difference.
Thirdly, cognitive dissonance can play a part in thwarting progress. Unresolved issues about anal play or even masturbation itself, conflicts with religious beliefs or homophobic ideas are examples of such impediments. These can exist on both conscious and subconscious levels and resolving these issues will go a long way to easing progress forward.
Fourthly, our egos, a healthy ego is our consciousness's best ally, it enables us to function in the seeming chaos of our day to day world. It is our protector and guide, offering rationalizations for our behaviors and impetus for executing the drives originating in our Ids, Unfortunately our egos are also are own biggest restraint mechanism, saddled with the illusion it can control the workings of our body's reality. Some men have joined this Forum espousing the theorem they can 'will' there way to Super-O's just as easily as they can masturbate to a traditional ejaculatory orgasm, they soon find this journey is much more complex than a simple wank.
The solution to overcoming the egocentric control issue is self analysis, an introspective examination of all the belief system programs running in your consciousness. Examining them and making the decision to delete or alter some of the parameters. This is not easy work for the ego to do, it can be psychologically painful to admit one's personal flaws, foibles and irrational beliefs which have heretofore influenced one's behavior. Fortunately, the relaxed environment most conducive to Anerosessions is also close to the meditative state ideal to perform the self analysis.
So the progress is there but I think my brain is still unwilling to let go. I try to focus only on my breathing and not “do” anything, but once I start feeling something good, I’m unable not to focus on it and I forget that I’m supposed to be focusing on breathing. Even my distraction-avoidance plan can become a distraction.
First, please don't go beating yourself up by over analyzing your technique (this is simply the mind noise being generated by your ego in its attempt to assert control, illusory at best). Focused breathing is a technique to aid relaxation and quiet the mind noise. This, in turn, makes it easier for you to focus on the myriad of subtle sensations your body produces on a constant basis. It is those sensations which ultimately lead you into the orgasmic zone. When you start to feel something good by all means bring your focus to it, don't ignore or repress it in favor of getting back to mechanical breathing technique. The breathing should lead to the 'feeling good', not the 'feeling good' leading to breathing technique. The basic rule of thumb with Aneros play is follow the pleasure line'. What this means is during your learning/experimentation Anerosessions make mental note of those actions which elicited small moments of increased pleasure, it is these actions which when combined with others unlock the Super-O vault.
It sounds like your progress is going well, you are just showing some signs of impatience, which is normal. Try to remember you have begun an adventure in learning about yourself, this is not a competition or a race with any finish line you are striving to cross, soooo... "Just Let Go !"
Good Vibes to You !
Thanks to all of you for these replies---I appreciate the feedback. Rumel, thinking about your query about my use of the term 'tipping point' made me realize that I have been using the idea of an HFWO as the first rung on the ladder, so to speak. Given that I don't actually know what to expect regarding other terms (P-waves, prostate orgasm, rectal orgasm), I've been relying on a HFWO as my gauge since if and when it happens there will be no ambiguity about what happened. But I realize this is another form of asserting control (I will know x when y happens). I should let that go and really embrace the 'whatever happens' mentality.
Who knew thinking was so complicated? 🙂
@hfrankie, from time to time I still catch myself anticipating an HFWO, but since ejaculation has become lesser in importance, this urge has subsided. Now it's much more fun to keep my state of arousal as long and as high as possible. Nevertheless I finished my Eupho Syn session this forenoon with an awesome ejaculation that might be called handsfree as far as I stopped any stimulation some seconds before squirting my (estimated) 3-weeks-load hitting even my chest. Seems to be everything okay with my prostate so far, 😎
Who knew thinking was so complicated?
My advice, don't take it too clinical or structured, have fun, be playful, nosy and adventurous - there is still left so much of your hidden sexuality to discover.
Good vibes!
And make your mistakes! No "pro" ever without any fail! 😉
Thanks to all of you for these replies---I appreciate the feedback. Rumel, thinking about your query about my use of the term 'tipping point' made me realize that I have been using the idea of an HFWO as the first rung on the ladder, so to speak. Given that I don't actually know what to expect regarding other terms (P-waves, prostate orgasm, rectal orgasm), I've been relying on a HFWO as my gauge since if and when it happens there will be no ambiguity about what happened. But I realize this is another form of asserting control (I will know x when y happens). I should let that go and really embrace the 'whatever happens' mentality.
Who knew thinking was so complicated? 🙂
I was trapped in that mindset for about 10 years, and that prevented me from realizing what HFO were, that I had probably been having them for years and not realized it, and the expectation that an Aneros-induced, HFO was somehow bigger and better than my traditional orgasm with ejaculation. As soon as I found a way to let go I had my first Super O and as soon as I felt it, I knew what prostate orgasms felt like, and I had dozens during my next session and it's been the same since then.
I started having Super Os almost 4 years ago to the date; I don't have them every session but they are more frequent than not; and I have only had two HFWO ever!!! Both occurred when I wasn't hard, maybe like 75% or so erect, but not full on erection. More so, the two HFWO I had were nowhere near as big as some very dry Super Os I've had in the past, in fact these HFWOs were on par with some of the Supers I'd say were "quite mild" in comparison to others I've had (the ones where a hole in space-time opened and out poured "the universe" directly into my existence...yes, yes, some have been like THAT). The only really exciting thing about my HFWO is that semen poured out of me like a faucet and then it pulsed out of me like it normally does during a TO. But it wasn't a baseline for what a Super O, to me, feels like. It was just a uniquely feeling Super O but it wasn't the best I've ever had.
I wanted to also suggest nipple play. Not sure if you do it or tried it, but it really helps me. I can be "on the edge" of a prostate O and sometimes just the thought of playing with my nipples can bring me to orgasm! If I'm very close, one slight tweak or two of my "turbo buttons" can literally take me from like a 2 to an 11 almost instantly.
Also, while the "do nothing" method seems to be dogma, try to manually or purposefully flex your anal sphincters, or the PC muscle complex you feel move when you do Kegels, and see how far the toy goes into you. See how it feels, what is the toy contacting? Concentrate on what it feels like inside you, visualize the way the toy moves, etc. I try to get my mind "inside my ass" sometimes to really hone in on nothing else but the toy and what it's doing inside me. Sometimes just one purposeful contraction and a purposeful relaxation can spark a round of involuntary contractions that can last anywhere from a few seconds to an untold amount of time, and all those involuntaries create my HFOs. Plus, if you just wait around for the toy to take off and make you orgasm while doing nothing but waiting on it, you might not even really know how far inside the toy can move; like, it might only go so deep on its own, even during an orgasm, but if you flex hard you can experience the full reality of what an Aneros toy can do. That knowledge, I think, can encourage your ass to contract harder on its own and pull the toy deeper into you. (I'm not saying deepness has anything to do with an orgasm, I'm saying that making your body realize what the hell is going on is a way to make it take over because you're forcing your body to feel something that it can't invoke on its own, and once knowledge/feeling/sensation is realized and experienced, it might take over on its own and that's a way of "letting go".)
Plus, doing a few manual contractions gives your mind something to focus on: the Aneros and it being inside you. While lying in wait for something orgasmic to happen, your mind might drift and then you're losing your spark. Instead, think about what the movements feel like and focus on trying to make movements happen. I really love doing this because my mind will drift to the stress of my life (it's a fuckload of stress, too) and as soon as I feel like I'm "in my body and mind" I say "ok toy, let's go" and I'll flex and make it move. As soon as I do that, I'm back in Aneros-land 🙂
Lastly, embracing the "whatever happens" mentality, I think, is the way to go!! Even though I feel like I've experienced almost every kind of O I think I can possibly have, I never ever ever have an expectation for a session. I only expect that it will feel good and it will be really nice. That's about it!
@techpump, thanks for your inspiring post! I only can add my recommendation to try some fantasy during Aless too. Thus you can strengthen your focus and also avoid that your mind might drift or you might loose your spark. I love to envision some tongues at my anus, some teeth at my nipples, a thumb at my palate, some fingers in my anal canal rubbing my prostate, and my Kundalini waking up and going up my spine. Phew! 😀
@techpump, thanks for your inspiring post! I only can add my recommendation to try some fantasy during Aless too. Thus you can strengthen your focus and also avoid that your mind might drift or you might loose your spark. I love to envision some tongues at my anus, some teeth at my nipples, a thumb at my palate, some fingers in my anal canal rubbing my prostate, and my Kundalini waking up and going up my spine. Phew! 😀
so true! My wife is extremely orgasmic and can cum from just nipple play alone, actually sometimes the stimulation of only one nipple can make her get off! So while I play with my nipples during a solo prostate session, I fantasize about her abilities and I can make myself have quite strong Os while the Aneros does me 🙂 Nothing like the mind and your memories to really induce some amazing sensations!
Aren't we blessed?! 😀
@rumel "First, please don't go beating yourself up by over analyzing your technique (this is simply the mind noise being generated by your ego in its attempt to assert control, illusory at best). Focused breathing is a technique to aid relaxation and quiet the mind noise. This, in turn, makes it easier for you to focus on the myriad of subtle sensations your body produces on a constant basis. It is those sensations which ultimately lead you into the orgasmic zone. When you start to feel something good by all means bring your focus to it, don't ignore or repress it in favor of getting back to mechanical breathing technique. The breathing should lead to the 'feeling good', not the 'feeling good' leading to breathing technique. The basic rule of thumb with Aneros play is follow the pleasure line'. What this means is during your learning/experimentation Anerosessions make mental note of those actions which elicited small moments of increased pleasure, it is these actions which when combined with others unlock the Super-O vault."
I think this will be the most significant advice I will ever read on this forums. It brings me so much understand of things I'v been trying solve in my head for the last 2 or 3 years. Thank you for it.