New here. Questions about external Prostate Orgasm

Also I read somewhere that a flow of water from the shower can be used to stimulate the prostate directly. But I am willing to try that since it is still external (or semi external) so does that work ?

Hello and welcome! Just like you I have been trying to become multi-orgasmic without having to have objects up my butt. I haven't yet had a prostate orgasm, but I only started trying 2 months ago and I've seen a lot progress since then. So keep in mind most users here have way more experience than I do.

I know that I should target the perineum and I keep flexing my muscles down there every now and then.

Traditional masturbation requires that you stimulate a certain set of nerves on the penis to have an orgasm. The cool thing about this is that you're using a completely different "pathway" to reach orgasm which doesn't require you to stimulate some specific nerves. Although what nerves you do stimulate can completely change how the orgasm feels. This process is much more a mental one than it is physical, so in my opinion you shouldn't worry too much about what technique you're using. Keep trying different things and if you find something that gives you results, then keep doing it!

I get warm waves through my legs then up to my chest. And my legs start to shake (but I don't know if it is from stimulating the prostate or my leg is tiring out (from being bent for long time).

Sounds like you're on to something! The warm feeling you're describing sounds to me what people in this community are calling p-waves. It's a great sign of progress!
Your leg shaking could be a reaction to the stimulus. My legs don't usually shake but they tend to tense up a lot. But it could also be that your legs get tired. Relaxation is important, which is why I personally don't massage the perineum because it forces my hand and arm into an awkward position.

I can't seem to reach orgasm should it take so long?

It takes time. Some people are lucky enough to learn it in a short amount of time whereas for others it could take many years. I believe the process is the same for women to learn to have non-clitoral orgasms. I don't know the statistics well enough, but I'd guess only about 10-30% of women can do it. Obviously, most women are not actively trying to learn it like we are, but it still shows how difficult it can be to learn. You seem to have made progress very fast, so be happy about that and keep trying!

Another technique I read about is stimulating prostate through the pubic bone which I tried and it seems to give this sort of warm waves earlier,but these warm waves tend to be short lived same as those of the perineum. So is this technique a viable alternative to the perineum one ?

If it gives the same results as the perineum technique, then it's equally viable. It can be worth noting that you don't just have to try to have prostate orgasms. I've yet to have a prostate orgasms, but I have had two other dry orgasms (and been close a couple of other times). One was a dry penile orgasm which happened by carefully stimulating the shaft, and one was an anal orgasm I got by stimulating the anus (no penetration, just the outside).

Last thing is most say to stimulate penis first, but when I do that my perineum gets larger and it feels like the shaft extends to the anus I can no longer feel the sweet spot

Yeah I don't really get this one either. The sweet spot is harder to feel and I find having an erection to be very distracting.

@throwawayacc thanks for taking the time to reply. For dry penile orgasms that was my first goal before giving up and choosing the proatate way for multi orgasms. But that requires tantaric methods and takes long time and not as guaranteed. For women yes g-spot can be hard to stimulate, but I think scientists are still not extremly sure of the presence of a g-spot, but the prostate is proven to already be there, so I think it is easier.

UPDATE : I tried using a bullet vibrator on tbe perineum.psince I figured my hands tires easily from that and it isn't fast enough for external stimulation. After about 3 to 5 minutes, I got the warm waves I described in my first post, followed by leg shakes, except this time it the warm waves changed all of a sudden to heat (felt lile burning inside but it doesn't hurt) waves in all of my body and I started to shake and started sweating so much. I stopped and paniced. Is this supposed to happen ? Did I ruin a near orgasm or not ? Should I have kept going ?

And if those are the signs why didn't they feel euphoric even less than normal ejaculation orgasm ?

My penis wasn't erect the whole time.

Yeah, it sounds like you're doing something right! No need to panic, those are normal reactions, I've had them too.

And if those are the signs why didn't they feel euphoric even less than normal ejaculation orgasm ?

Well first of all you can't compare this to a normal ejaculation orgasm. I mean you didn't actually have an orgasm, you only felt some of the build up.

I think it takes time for the brain to recognize all the pleasant sensations happening. I remember having the same thing, a lot of interesting sensations but none of them felt really pleasant. I'd get to the point where my body was just warm and trembling, but without anything resembling pleasure, and I'd stop because it was too uncomfortable. But every day, the sensations I am feeling are getting more and more pleasant. I don't know whether it's because my brain is learning how to associate the sensations with pleasure, or if it's because it's learning how to generate those sensations. Also I've had a lot of sensations that felt unpleasant/overwhelming at first, but over time they've become more pleasant.

My penis wasn't erect the whole time.

Completely normal. Erect penis is a sign of arousal, but it's one of many. Just ignore it and let it do its own thing.

you cant actually effectively stimulate this organ from the outside. stop wasting your time. if you have fears or apprehensions about anal get over it.

you cant actually effectively stimulate this organ from the outside. stop wasting your time. if you have fears or apprehensions about anal get over it.

I suppose it depends on your definition of what "effectively" means. But there are enough people here able to experience super-Os without having objects in their butt to prove that it's possible.

i could not get any sensation other than pain and sore of skin and muscles when my prostate is massage externally, i prefer internal massage, much much better pleasure

i could not get any sensation other than pain and sore of skin and muscles when my prostate is massage externally, i prefer internal massage, much much better pleasure

I enjoy perineum massage, and get some good feelings going; never experienced an orgasm from it, but others have said they have.

I have achieved super O's by firmly pressing down at the root of the penis

I have achieved super O's by firmly pressing down at the root of the penis

maybe i am pressing at the wrong place or due to some minor anatomically differences, i felt painful LOL when pressed at the root

I suppose it depends on your definition of what "effectively" means. But there are enough people here able to experience super-Os without having objects in their butt to prove that it's possible.

Well, you can super-O without any touch at all, but only by meditation or breathing excercises. IMHO, re-wiring the nipples should be easier than re-wiring the prostate via external massage.

@Orgasmic.Euphoria: if you want to achive a super-O w/o internal prostate stim, I wouldn't concentrate on external stim too much. The bottleneck isn't the "right stimulation" but the re-wiring of you nervous system and brain, which you can do far more effectively in other ways. You may try KSMO (here is a podcast where Jack illustrates his program) or read this book (beginner friendly and offers a lot of different techniques, by far the best sex-ed-book I ever came across).

Cheers, Unfug

Well, you can super-O without any touch at all, but only by meditation or breathing excercises. IMHO, re-wiring the nipples should be easier than re-wiring the prostate via external massage.

In fact, this is exactly how I am trying to do it. Although I haven't had an orgasm from meditation yet, I've felt the build up many times, and not just to prostate orgasms but to penile and even anal orgasms as well. Although things like the Aneros or KSMO can be useful tools, in my opinion they can also become crutches.

In fact, this is exactly how I am trying to do it. Although I haven't had an orgasm from meditation yet, I've felt the build up many times, and not just to prostate orgasms but to penile and even anal orgasms as well.

That sounds great. 🙂

Although things like the Aneros or KSMO can be useful tools, in my opinion they can also become crutches.

How come? What qualifies these tools as crutches? Do you feel dependent from them at times? Or do they limit you in on way or the other?

Cheers, Unfug

How come? What qualifies these tools as crutches? Do you feel dependent from them at times? Or do they limit you in on way or the other?

Ah well, it's just speculation to be honest. I am still new at this and I haven't used either Aneros or KSMO so don't take whatever nonsense I say too seriously. I think it's easy to get into the mindset that it's the Aneros providing you with the pleasure, when in reality it's the mind doing most of the work. It seems to me some people here think that the Aneros is a magical device that will grant you sexual super powers and if it doesn't work for them then it's the wrong model for them or whatever. To me that's just not true, and I think that the less you rely on external stimulation to achieve results, the better the result will be in the end. I guess that's just my intuition. It almost feels like using external stimulation is a form of "cheating" to me. Like if I'm not able to have a dry orgasm using only my mind, then I don't deserve to have one with added physical stimulation. Maybe this is not a good mindset to have, I don't know.

It almost feels like using external stimulation is a form of "cheating" to me. Like if I'm not able to have a dry orgasm using only my mind, then I don't deserve to have one with added physical stimulation. Maybe this is not a good mindset to have, I don't know.

I think you have laid a trap for yourself in believing your ego consciousness has control over your bodily functions, including orgasm. Nothing could be further from the truth, the control you seek is an illusion. Your body evolved to interact with the world around it, your very existence is dependent on the symbiotic relationships to the external world and the parts of the external world you carry within you. It is this interaction with all the "...external stimulation..." which constitutes life as we know it. I'm not saying you can not generate orgasms using mental faculties alone but equating external stimulation to "cheating" is pretty judgmental. By adopting this belief system you are limiting your behavior options and precluding yourself from enjoying some pretty fantastic experiences. You are setting yourself up to experience frustration due to cognitive dissonance when you do eventually try external simulation via devices or personal interaction with another human being. Why not fully embrace what an integrated mind and body can experience ?
Good Vibes to You !

Yeah you're right, I should change my mindset a bit. The issue is that I can't seem to enjoy stimulating myself. I mean it feels good, but it's also distracting to have to focus on both stimulating myself and the sensations generated by the stimulation. Too much for my mind to handle I guess. I suppose using the "do nothing" method with the aneros would be excellent for me, but until I get my own place to live, purchasing one is out of the question. I do long for the day I get someone else to stimulate me though, hehe.

but equating external stimulation to "cheating" is pretty judgmental. By adopting this belief system you are limiting your behavior options and precluding yourself from enjoying some pretty fantastic experiences. You are setting yourself up to experience frustration due to cognitive dissonance when you do eventually try external simulation via devices or personal interaction with another human being. Why not fully embrace what an integrated mind and body can experience ?

Truly, words of wisdom.

I suppose it depends on your definition of what "effectively" means. But there are enough people here able to experience super-Os without having objects in their butt to prove that it's possible.

What proof? What tangible proof of a certain sensation are they providing other than 'their word for it'.
Are they having a 'super o' while they are sitting their in their chair meditating or are they full of shit?
Why do you have such an aversion to simply using the product from the brand that hosts the forums you are posting on?
Its only logical that you can reach your prostate better from inside your asshole.

I have been using these products since the MGX was the only model. I have tried a million things. Yes you can feel good without the Aneros, you can have all sorts of interesting sensations by just thinking about them.
Firstly and most importantly, I would have no idea how to feel good while sitting still and thinking and doing nothing etc if I didn't use the Aneros first.
Secondly and equally important, these sensations are vastly less strong than just using the device while doing the same stuff.
To clarify: If you relax and meditate on orgasm youll probably figure out how to think yourself into some kind of pleasurable state for a prolonged period. If you do this same exact thing with the Aneros inside of your butthole you will have success much faster and get what you actually want instead of some bullshit.

There is a reason these forums have people chatting in them, a reason why its still online, a reason why the Aneros gets good reviews, etc, it works. trying to do everything BUT using the Aneros seems absolutely silly.