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10/10/2014 4:34 pm
This is really hard to word so please bare with me.
I've spent a fair few weeks thinking on how to explain this or indeed if i even should on these forums at all. But after my latest session i decided i would and that others may be helped by this or that i may get an answer to this 'puzzle'
I had a nice session today, started with the peredise. My sessions are instantly pleasurable, there is no warm up period, within seconds I'm feeling something orgasmic. When people here say "it normally starts to get to good about an hour into a session" slightly irks me as my sessions are typically over within 20 mins, as in arousal lost 100%, prostate shut down. When this happens i don't feel satisfied, i feel somehow, hollow...?
So whilst i was doing my usual technique (lifting legs up to my ass and then off the bed about 6 inches) i get the wonderful almost orgasm feelings etc... lovely.
i then notice that my penis is super hard, or rather as the feelings of orgasm ramp up my penis goes along with it until its nearly splitting the skin, its that hard. Coincidentally this is where my strongest feelings of pleasure start as well. Except i now realise its not a coincidence at all. My arousal and erection is totally dependant on what i feel in a session.
So by 'manual' i mean this:
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The issue is this: i don't feel a jot when i have no erection, nada.
At this point i also realise something else, in my 10 years of aneros use I've never really felt what others accurately describe as involuntaries. I feel that is key to the next level. The devices when they're in me never move at all, its all prostate 'pressure'. My penis gets hard, blood flows into the prostate area, it then swells, the swelling causes direct contact and i feel pleasure, until the erection and swelling stops which then do the the feelings (see above)
I then tried a larger device, the SGX, usually with this device i don't feel anything as amazing as the peredise/eupho. This time however i experienced noticeable involuntaries like those that describe them here, but.... no real intense pleasure and interestingly, only a semi. What i did feel was a general sense of pleasure that only ramped when my penis would get a little harder, but definite involuntary contractions.
I don't know what this means, or why I'm telling you all this but i feel this best describes where i am and trying to figure out what i need to do to progress.
I think this may help newbies/those that are no the norm when it comes to prostate play. I hope it helps in some way, just by putting it out there in the universe....!
10/10/2014 6:30 pm
@inhope...I often have very pleasurable sensations and even orgasms during the 1st half hour of my sessions...followed by a tapering off of any orgasmic response for maybe another 30 minutes of so...but I can honestly say that i am never disappointed by continuing my sessions into hour two and beyond (never more than 3hrs) as long as I'm nice and relaxed, breating correctly, occassionally employing very gentle contractions of the sphincter muscles, stimulating my nipples, gently massaging my perenium, scrotum and ever so gently squeezing my balls, visualizing an erotic scene, and most importantly...focusing my mind on the tiny little pleasure cues my body presents...these almost always take me back to the pleasures of the 1st half hour and many times beyond! Perhaps if you keep your sessions going after the departure of the pleasure you describe in your 1st 20 minutes, you will be pleasantly surprised. I hope the best for you!
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10/10/2014 7:50 pm
Great advice thank you! I did feel more when contracting in my last session despite being really hard.
Can I ask re: contractions, when you say employing very gentle contractions of sphincter muscles, are these (as per the wiki) like holding (constant) contractions or small micro ones or large hard ones?
Thanks again!
10/10/2014 10:48 pm
@inhope...My sphincter contractions are more micro contractions...some I hold at not more than 25% for what feels like 15 seconds or so. When i relax totally after holding a contraction my body rewards me with the pleasure cues that will continue to build over time. It's important to relax after holding a 25% contraction to see what the body offers. Everybody's pleasure responses are unique to their own body.
Other times my high frequency contrctions (15 to 20 short duration contractions @ 10% or so) followed by total relaxation will generate the same pleasure response as holding a contraction.
GENTLY pushing out like trying to expell the device also gets the pleasure started again! Try experimenting with these techniques by interchanging them...see what works best for your body. For me GENTLE contractions work far more effectively than hard, long contractions which for me drown the pleasure. Best wishes for pleasurable travels!
10/11/2014 12:47 pm
In general, the smaller the massager, the better, as with in my case the Eupho being my favorite. Use a gentle contraction focusing on your bladder sphincter, like you're holding in pee--not noticeably contracting with your anus. While doing so, lightly tickle your nipples. You're almost guaranteed to feel some nice warm feelings growing in your pelvis and spreading out into your penis when you do and it is at this point that the so-called "involuntary"--the contraction you don't cause or control than results in your rectum clamping down on the massager tugging into your prostate which then brings on the prostate orgasm--occurs.
And yes, an erection typically comes with those feelings, but don't focus on it. This is truly "PENIS NOT" as has been described in this forum.
10/11/2014 1:28 pm
I have a thing with involuntaries, where I can keep them going by trying to. But like you, I can get involuntaries that just feel like nothing. I think the mistake I made was to focus directly on keeping the muscle twitches going. But there's something above/before that in the process, somewhere else my attention needs to be. And when it's there, the contractions come with pleasure. That place is so close, but you really need to listen to find it. Don't try to keep involuntaries going, let them come less frequently, but with pleasure, and then figure out how to keep only those types of involuntaries going.
It's hard to explain, but I think the process is like a chain of:
[A] -> -> [Involuntary]
Where if I focus on , I get an involuntary with no pleasure, but if I can find and focus on [A], (the real source of the involuntaries before I jumped on them), then I can get involuntaries with pleasure.
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10/12/2014 10:15 am
@inhope...My sphincter contractions are more micro contractions...some I hold at not more than 25% for what feels like 15 seconds or so. When i relax totally after holding a contraction my body rewards me with the pleasure cues that will continue to build over time. It's important to relax after holding a 25% contraction to see what the body offers. Everybody's pleasure responses are unique to their own body.
Other times my high frequency contrctions (15 to 20 short duration contractions @ 10% or so) followed by total relaxation will generate the same pleasure response as holding a contraction.
GENTLY pushing out like trying to expell the device also gets the pleasure started again! Try experimenting with these techniques by interchanging them...see what works best for your body. For me GENTLE contractions work far more effectively than hard, long contractions which for me drown the pleasure. Best wishes for pleasurable travels!
Well incredibly your description is almost exactly like mine in my own sessions, however i would say the power level of contraction is 10% for me, the rest is exactly the same inclusive of the pushing out one.
I do experiment greatly in sessions, something just stops, the river of pleasure just ends or becomes so subtle that nothing seems to jolt it on, gently or otherwise. Sometimes in a session it lasts an hour and i don't have to do anything a tall, most times though it lasts minutes. When it does end it is as a result of feeling a really nice peak/plateau of pleasure.
In general, the smaller the massager, the better, as with in my case the Eupho being my favorite. Use a gentle contraction focusing on your bladder sphincter, like you're holding in pee--not noticeably contracting with your anus. While doing so, lightly tickle your nipples. You're almost guaranteed to feel some nice warm feelings growing in your pelvis and spreading out into your penis when you do and it is at this point that the so-called "involuntary"--the contraction you don't cause or control than results in your rectum clamping down on the massager tugging into your prostate which then brings on the prostate orgasm--occurs.
I do experience everything you say (including the massager size) except the involuntary clamping and prostate orgasm, what I'm getting is a sort of pseudo orgasm that is constant when i make prostate contact.
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10/12/2014 9:12 pm
I've had a session this eve, just talking about it made Super excited.
I noticed today that I actually do have involuntaries even when I feel things are 'manual', I can make my lessons longer by alternating between types of contractions,,nipple stim etc. the are small and only appear when I'm erect.
One thing though, I don't feel I get orgasms as I'm expecting my cock to pump when I'm having one as a sort of indicator? (Pump, but with no semen coming out) I do get really super erections along with super warmth and feelng like I'm about to pop, especially when I raise my legs off the bed, it's awesome.
For someone that asked recently what I meant by lifting my legs,this video shows a guy doing the same thing, though this guy grabs his cock and sometimes the aneros device, which i would never do or promote others doing either, but the leg position is what always gets me amazing results and this shows what I do also at around time index 5:01
10/21/2014 12:06 pm
I wouldn't sweat too much about the details. You're already getting some really great results that has far surpassed what I am getting. Go with what works for you as this is somewhat unique to each guy.
For myself, involuntary anal contractions was one of the last things to finally start happening well into my journey, probably at the five or six year mark just of the top of my head before I started to very occasionally get mini-O's.
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10/29/2014 11:12 am
Ok so I'm back with more info, which could help others.
i went looking for nothing again in my last session but found amazing things but it has led me to puzzling conclusions and I'm sorry to say, pain.
So i had my legs on the bed, contracting and feeling nice things, not building up to any level of super high feelings though, which i was... well dismayed at again.
i lift my legs, my cock gets super, sssuuuuper hard and boom, I'm feeling like my penis is going to explode, my throat raw from screaming in pleasure. this lasts 1 minute and i have to put my legs down, as its starting to hurt my back and indeed my legs. What i find odd is everyone says you need to be relaxed to get these orgasms. I aint relaxed, let me tell you that!
So when the energy returns in my legs and back i lift my legs again cock goes hard again, boom! 'orgasm feelings' so intense i laugh a little, voice gets higher pitched and i feel like I'm gonna explode from every place only body.
Back hurts.
Legs go down.
Rinse and repeat until I'm just too tired to continue and i don't want to hurt my back any more.
I've put my legs on something, which sometimes works but its not the same, it needs gravity on my legs to work, or something i cannot name.
I'm not in pain today but my sessions are tiring! i also find something else, these intense 'leg-lift orgasms' i get also seem to 'f*ck the arousal out of me' as in after 4th one or so i don't feel aroused in any way anymore whatsoever?
Does anyone get that last point?
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10/29/2014 3:15 pm
ok wow I've found a video that shows a user doing exactly as i describe and getting almost instant pleasure from doing so, though i don't get the violent shaking at all, i do however position myself exactly like this guy does as well as how quick the orgasm appears! the parts where his legs are dangling, mirror exactly mine and when i hit the pique of pleasure. Im not brave enough enough video myself so this is the closest thing i can show others:
The only exception is that my cock has to be super hard for it to work, when i get the orgasms its filling me me up with warmth in my prostate, my ass and very much in my penis as well, looks so similar, though i moan much mech louder:
http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=hBxgF-S244-#.VFEv-edLFFQ
EDIT: he uses a bloody eupho as well, just like i do! i swear its not me!
another video, different angle. I'm amazed that this is a just a carbon copy of what happens in my sessions! legs go up, instant and i mean instant, orgasm. not only that but SUPER intense. hah, amazing.
10/30/2014 9:48 pm
im sure if you keep at it long enough you will build those muscles up and it will get easier and easier lol
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