my experiances

drslyr-

i'm going to venture an idea that might or might not work for people learning the aneros. but, it is a good part of the Key Sound protocol (www.multiples.com) (a part that i don't think is a "trade secret").

try limiting your sessions to 30 minutes every few days (10 minutes of relaxation, 20 of slight contraction), and avoid ejac on the days you use the aneros.

why i think this might help:
(1) it will force you to stop before you get:
- frustrated
- so desperate you need to jack in order to feel an orgasm, any orgasm
- sore
- persuaded that, if it doesn't work in two hours, it never will
(2) it will associate only simple pleasure and not frustration, desperation and soreness with use of the aneros
(3) it will force you to look forward to your next time with excitement, instead of having a mix of excitement and disappointment
(4) it will help you separate the new sexual and pleasurable feelings of the aneros from the standard feelings of ejaculatory orgasm
(5) it will give your body a chance to integrate what it learned the last time. you are *training* your body to do something its not used to doing

the biggest single stumbling block is rushing, forcing and desperation. the *only* way to have an aneros-driven orgasm is to relax and enjoy the pleasure it is giving you for what it is, not for where it will take you.

the analogy i've used in the past is that when many of us first learned about touching ourselves, we had no preconception of orgasm. we just touched ourselves cause we discovered that it felt good, and one day we kept on touching till we had an unexpected climax. that is the mindset you want. just enjoy without expecting. be innocent

darwin

day 2. Trying another session right now.Please explain the breathing technique and what i should be looking for.Still not much response but im not giving up.Some one posted the helix should not be inserted all the way, but when i innsert it it pulls itself in right up to the base. it this correct? also the p tab hurts. seems like it should be wider and flatter.

drslyr,

Are you certain that it inserts ALL of the way to the base... (to the last notch)? This is not normally possible. The reason being that the abutment tab extends forward, (overhanging) beyond the base such that it becomes compressed when the unit is forced all of the way in....eventually the compression of the arm pushes the unit back out. If your sphincter is holding the unit in all of the way to base.....there would unquestionably be a tremendous amount of pressure being brought to bear on your perineum. If this really IS the case, try pulling the unit our beyond this notch.

Just for reference,...the last notch, down at the base of the Helix is there for the sake of balance.

BF Mayfield

yes all the way to the base.if i pull it out to the first notch my body justs sucks it all the way back in. Had 2 sessions so far. Have to take a couple days off. I hurt too much.

Well had a couple more sessions after reading many posts on this site.Ive gotten to the point of about a 1 second involuntary.But i cant seem to have them happen on their own.I seem to be able to induce it by contracting the anal muscles for as long as i can flex them.I tried the suggested way of flexing for 10 secs and releasing but i get no results. Using the breathing techniques also. ok all done whinning.Still wont give up.Seem to be stuck though.

Have had a couple more sessions with the helix.Im making slow progress.Had about 3 seconds of invoulantaries the other day.Boy those are awsome. Just wish i could get them to last longer.If the invoulantaries are any indication of whats to come i can hardly wait.At suggestion from others on this site, i have refrained from masturbation for several days now with the hopes of intenseifying the situation.Alas i can stand it no longer. im going to try sex today with my girlfriend with the helix in place.I told her about it and she seems receptive to the idea.Sort of a nurse patient fantasy thing. Well I'll post with the results later. Oh by the way,any suggestions on lube.Ive tried several brands and have been experianceing terrible cases of the runs after. Thanks in advance.

Tried the helix with my girlfrirnd.It was awsome. I refrained from masturbation for 5 days.We had sex with the helix in place and that was a super duper o for me.She said i was screaming so loud she thought the neighbors would call rhe police.It was great. On my own i dont seem to be getting anywhere. Ive read hundreds of posts and tried many suggestions with not much luck. Ive gotten about 2 seconds of involantaries but then they just dissapate.Im a stubbern cuss so ill just keep trying.But even if i dont reach SUPER O, i still have the sex o. Ill post again with success or failure again soon.

well more sessions alone.I seem to be losing ground. No invoulantaries, no mini o's no super o's,not even any spagetti o,s.Maybe the helix just isnt the unit for me. hate to buy another model for the same results. Is there that much difference in the different models?Just frustrated in guess. Maybe i need to put it down awhile.

dyrslr,

Hey......don't despair! In my case, it took three weeks to get anything going. I really believe it takes the body at least two weeks just to accept the Aneros. With even the short involuntary you had it probably means you are ok with the Helix for now.

My questions for you are......Are you using subtle contractions? That usually encourages growth in activity. This is true for your normal contractions and for any contraction following your short involuntary. Subtle I think is the way to go....and build the activity slowly.

What position were you in when you got the involuntary? Repeat that. Try other positions as well. Once you find your personal combo that works, then it is easier to build from that.

Patience will be rewarded.

dyrslr,

about the runs from the lube, that has been covered elsewhere (glycerin seems to be the culprit). but, i suggest that you try the idea of putting the Aneros and the lube in a condom.

about involuntaries, etc: as you know, you can't really rush the process. in the end, i felt that, for me, the concentration on the involuntaries was a bit overrated. i just felt so hung up on having the right kind of contractions. really your butt will involuntarily contract when it is experiencing pleasure. so, if you just relax, skip thinking about the contractions and just think about the mild pleasure you're having. let the pleasure grow by relaxing into it and noticing it.

try imagining what it would be like to have waves of pleasure washing over you. you just might find that such waves will start to happen. and, as a consequence, your butt will start contracting imperceptibly without you doing anything. that will lead to a little more pleasure, a little more imagining and a little more contracting, etc.

i really do recommend listening to the RoseBud hypnosis at http://www.hypnofantasy.com . it's free (just join, and when asked to pay, choose the "free" option, which has limited access). it will teach you how to deeply relax and how to use your mind to amplify pleasure.

darwin

Thanks for the advice guys.Tried listening to the hypnosis site.It was ok but didnt use the helix at the same time.maybe im using it too much,about every other day.And about the helix in the condom.How does that work exactly please.Im not sure i understand what you do.Put the helix in a condom with lube also in the condom. then lube up the anus slightly? Thanks in advance

The physics of the Aneros inside a lubed condom would...

1. Reduce fiction of the Aneros on the prostrate, which already is reduced because of the rectal wall , and...

2. The sphinter and PC muscles will grip the internally lubed condom which will slip along the Aneros reducing it ability to rub or apply pressure to the prostrate.

I may be all wet but physics are hard to ignore.

Use K-Y jelly and I think that would help a lot.

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virg-

sorry, but your application of "physics" and anatomy here, and the untested conclusion you reach that the condom method is not good, aren't particularly helpful.

while i haven't tried using a condom, the people who reported that technique to the forum think it's great.

just put the aneros and some lube in the condom and lightly lube the outside to insert.

darwin

Darwin,

First, I've really enjoyed your posts and share your enthusiasm of KSMO. I got into it a year or so ago after reading one of B Mayfield's posts. For me it took both methods KSMO and the Aneros to really push me over the edge. At this point however, I'm able to experience Super O's with KSMO or the Aneros alone...it's amazing.

Regarding Virg's comments. He's got this one 100% right! I know there are some that have extolled the virtues of the condom method. But in my reading I've seen far more that have not found it helpful. Not deterred, I tried it (2 or 3 times) myself. What I found is that responsiveness of the Aneros is negatively impacted by using a condom. In my opinion, it is just more mobile when it is unfettered. Frankly, I have to say that Virg's explanation makes sense to me.

So why does this work for some people? Perhaps it introduces a different kind of friction all it's own, one that does not require as much mobility from the Aneros? Clearly whatever it is, this is about an individual preference.

E

P.S.

Changing the lube or lubricating technique is what's called for here. As Virg has said, KY jelly can sometimes be the better alternative with those who have a problems with the thinner glycerin based lubes causing cramping. If there is a total sensitivity to any kind of glycerin product, try MAXIMUS or one of the several other water based lubes that don't contain it. In addition, there are always silicone products too!

E

ok, thanks for the emperical report. i may just try it out of curiosity.

i think in this case, both virg and i could have done better by basing our posts on direct knowledge, rather than on theorizing (virg) or parroting (me).

darwin

virg and eeegad-

first, eeegad, i am very heartened to hear about somebody like me who needed the complementary methods of KSMO and Aneros to get "through the gate."

second, virg, your description of frustration and the aneros not producing any feeling of contact with your prostate sounds familiar. i was persuaded that the aneros just didn't fit me. i went throught the mgx, the sgx and the helix.

i then moved over to KSMO (see http://www.multiples.com ) which made the aneros issues irrelevant.

it was through KSMO (Key Sound Multiple Orgasm) that i became multi-orgasmic (in a big way).

very recently, as described in recent posts, i thought "what the heck, now that i'm multi-orgasmic, i'll buy the eupho and see if it does the aneros trick."

boy, did it ever. itwas awesome. right now, i can't report whether the difference was the eupho or that i had since became orgasmic. i have not yet re-tried any of the others. i am eager to do that experiment and will provide a report when i do.

but, in any case, virg, you really might want to consider the $30 or so outlay to get the KSMO instructions and give that a whirl. You might find that it "wires" you even without the aneros.

good luck,
darwin

Hi D,

I would agree that the issue of using condoms comes down to a personal preference. To be sure there have been many users who have sworn by this approach. I've tried it myself on half a dozen occasions actually (experimenting with different models) and just couldn't get into it. For me the two things that came up were 1) a decrease in mobility. The addition of the condom just made the movement of the unit feel "sluggish" by comparison, and 2) I just don't care for condoms! Whether on my penis or in my anus...it feels like you're bagged. In terms of intercourse it serves constructive purposes....mainly those of disease prevention and contraception. Cleary there's no such benefit when it comes to THIS kind of anal play. No question it makes clean up a snap, but if this comes at the cost of performance....it's a no brainer for me.

Again, if you are one who finds a true benefit (beyond the ease of clean-up) with this method....STAY WITH IT! If you haven't tried....do so and see what you think.

In terms of using this approach on account of sensitivity to lubricants, this won't really change things for you. Why? Because you end up having to lubricate the exterior of condom anyway (and more copiously then one would without a condom)! For the individuals who have shown sensitivity to glycerin based products in the past (cramping or diarrhea) a better strategy is to switch to a lubricant that doesn't contain glycerin. There are several water based products on the market now that don't contain glycerin. One also might try using a thicker glycerin based product, like KY jelly. Such products tend to stay put a bit more whereas the thinner one (KY liquid, ID Glide, WET) have a tendency to leak into the colon where they can cause irritation.

BF Mayfield

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First, thanks for all the thoughts...

Well, I certainly enjoy spirited conversation of various points of view.

I am glad that a "condom coated Aneros" works for those that have found it effective, though from the standpoint of physics, I do not see how it could work better, than without the condom. I have tried it due to info on this forum. All it has done for me is get in the way and waste some condoms. More power to those that have found it helpful.

This is a good example of so much of the Aneros process. Things that you think should work, don't, and those that do work can defy explanation. Not doing contractions so your body can do it's own thing...? Manually manipulation of the Aneros can not do what PC and sphinter muscles can, which most of us could not easily identify or control... The amount of lube in the rectum should not be more than a teaspoon...you can never have too much lube in that area of the body is usually what is promoted... It seems like there is more "mystique" around this process than physical stimulation of the body.

Oh, well.

I am going to try the KSMO and tried to order it several days ago (anything to get over the hump) from the website for $30 but all I got was an "error" when I tried to process the credit card transaction. So, I ordered it from Amazon for $20.

Who knows? It may be what will help me to make the "jump to light speed"!

I have been considering ordering the Maximus and Eupho, as well as, the competitor's models. I have the Classic, MGX, Helix. It is a bunch of money and I do have other uses for it but the search for the Super O is like the Holy Grail! No cost in money and time is too much. I think... I hope... I have a hard time seeing how the slight differences between the models can make the difference between the Super O and a sensory void. All three of the models I have provide me with pretty much the same feelings. Will the Maximus and/or Eupho feel that different? Given the lack of "Shazaam" for me, when looking at the competitors models, one has to wonder if their design does not have merit...?

I am going to try the KSMO and if that does not break down some doors, I'll look at new "Hardware"...

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Virg,

Keep one thing in mind....no one model will replace going through the process. Regardless of which model you choose you must do some learning before you can be successful with this. It's not like there is some button that must be pushed that will do everything for you. Part of this is a slow transformation involving the way that you perceive erotic sensations.

The Key Sound method is a excellent move and one that will give you a some good tools to work with, if not push you over the top altogether.

With regard to buying everything that's out there...I'd recommend taking it slow. Like the "Holy Grail" that you alluded to in your post, it's possible to get so obsessed with finding this that you overlook something that is right in front of you. You really can't short cut this. Be patient...be observant and things will reveal themselves to you.

With respect to the "knock-off" products that are available, I've checked them out myself and found them lacking in quality and performance. "Their design" if you can call it that, is clumsy and poorly finished (there's even a seam visable along one edge)....save your money!

Stay with the "hardware" that you've got now and go with some new "software" (KSMO) !

BF Mayfield

more sessions .more dissapointment.put down the helix a few days,and just finishing a 1 hr session.Nothing. Been trying the hypnofantasy site with no results. Running out of ideas.Have read hundreds of posts from others.Have been trying every suggestion i can find. Nothing.Still not ready to give up but getting there.

Originally Posted By: drslyr
Have had a couple more sessions with the helix.Im making slow progress.Had about 3 seconds of invoulantaries the other day.Boy those are awsome. Just wish i could get them to last longer.If the invoulantaries are any indication of whats to come i can hardly wait.At suggestion from others on this site, i have refrained from masturbation for several days now with the hopes of intenseifying the situation.Alas i can stand it no longer. im going to try sex today with my girlfriend with the helix in place.I told her about it and she seems receptive to the idea.Sort of a nurse patient fantasy thing. Well I'll post with the results later. Oh by the way,any suggestions on lube.Ive tried several brands and have been experianceing terrible cases of the runs after. Thanks in advance.

Drslyr,

What was the position that gave you the 3 sec of involuntaries? That could point you in the right direction. With this process, the position is quite important. Go back to that position and try to relax...even avoid contractions...just feel any sensations....go slow....reduce expectations and you will be pleasantly surprised.

Been a few wks. now still trying,without much results. Minor invoulantaries for a second or 2 and thats it.Feels nice but i think thats all ill ever get from it.

Some time has past with no noticable progress so i purchased the mgx thinking another model might be the answer. It wasnt still no improvement. Actually the mgx provided no feeling whatsoever. im lost but still trying.

From what I am reading, you need to chill out and forget what you have read on the forums. Your lack of success based upon what everyone else is saying should be an indication of something... that the stuff you are reading and being told to try does not work for you. That is ok, it did not work for me either. I do not get any strong contractions when I super O, or any other time really. The thing does move around, but it is not from what you would probably consider contractions.

You need to stop looking, or you will never find it. It is like trying to count to infinity. Don't think about it. Put it in, relax, watch TV or something. Try and pretend it is not even there for a while. Learn to shut the chatter in your brain off and I think you will find that what you are looking for has been there all along. It is just hidden behind all the other stuff. It is in the background and you need to let it come to the front. This is a healthy thing to do aside from the aneros anyway. Sometimes even your brain needs a vacation.

That is the best advice I can give. Nothing to do with contractions, or breathing, or technique in any way. Just let go. Enjoy what happens as it happens and don't over think everything.

Trying another session right now. Its been in about an hr.Feels nice but nothing like what ive read about on this sight. I think its been a few months now since i started and 2 different models,mgx and helix,without any thing even close to super o,but i shall never give up.From the descriptions of the super o on this sight it sounds spectacular,however im beginning to doubt its existence. Forging ahead with hopelessness Drslyr.

Put it down for a couple wks. trying a session now.Its ok but still nothing earth shattering.Any more advice would be greatly appreciated.

Any more updates?

Originally Posted By: drslyr
Some time has past with no noticable progress so i purchased the mgx thinking another model might be the answer. It wasnt still no improvement. Actually the mgx provided no feeling whatsoever. im lost but still trying.

Your going about this all wrong. Me and Tripper and speak with experience on this.

If you have read many posts you will know that me and Tripper have been using the Aneros over a year without a Super O.
We are now known as the comedians on here with our frequent posts of frustration and jealousy.

From what I can gather your rushing this, forcing it and reading too many posts of members who have been lucky in 1st few months of doing this.

Take Darwin's advise. You need to start from scratch. I had the Helix and found the tap was too small making the Helix move about. I have since purchased the MGX with better results.
Try the MGX, lay on your side as instructed in manual. Take deep slow breaths through you nose, no contractions and just feel the MGX on your prostate. Hold breath for 5 seconds then release out through nose.
Keep doing this and you should feel some twitching and tickling. If your getting that then gently do some contractions.
Whatever you do, don't go on and on and on. As Darwin says, only 30 minute sessions. Believe me that is good advise.

I personally am continueing with this even though I have not had a Super O. The feelings I am getting are very nice and pleasurable. Eventually I will achieve a Super O, just not when I expected it.

Hope this helps

VS