MMO, semen retention and vasocongestion (aka 'Blue Balls')

I have been doing the SR for a few months and the longest I have gone is 25 days. Doing aneros does relieve the tension for me. It's a great balance. Life is an experiment.

Yeah, in some sessions I get blue balls too

I have been doing the SR for a few months and the longest I have gone is 25 days. Doing aneros does relieve the tension for me. It's a great balance. Life is an experiment.

Yeah, in some sessions I get blue balls too

ok thanks! Do you ejaculate when you get blue balls or do you 'ride out the storm' so to speak and wait for it to pass / stop hurting without ejaculating?

I've read so many wonderful success stories of people regaining their focus in whatever they're doing, higher energy levels etc. by practicing SR.

Hey, @JoeCrix84, I can confirm that. Having coped with a full month challenge of SR lately, I experienced all that and furthermore I got very attentive to my body's and my mind's vibes and responding to any stimulation, thus helping me taking some hurdles on my journey.

The reason for posting is that I wonder if it's possible to combine aneros play with semen retention during a longer period or time? Or does the body 'need' to ejaculate after a few sessions?

I got blue balls, too. But with my Aneros or Aless sessions giving me some fine dry orgasms this feeling faded away. Just now my balls are aching again but I kind a like that, cause it makes them that present and it get's me aroused knowing them filled up to the most.

[...] but I'm wondering if there might be a threshold one have to overcome in order for the blue balls to disappear without ejaculation.

Nature has already taken care of us. If there might be too much semen to cope with, your prostate will release some semen back into the body or you will have a wet dream. Thus you can't do yourself any harm. There is always a fine line between lust and pain. And it's very unique for any person. Furthermore it's a matter of age and experience. If you only take a look at people getting used more and more to tattoo needles or piercings, for one or the other the pain even might have become addictive.

Never forget, it's your way, you are going. And it's unique. Best vibes, have your personal fun and take care!

Always looking to experiment or try something new, maybe time to give semen retention a try. Just have to discuss that with my partner - we're both multi orgasmic, so I think he'll be okay with me trying since we can have sex lots still and be very enjoyable. (ejaculating already is just a way to officially end our sex, not that important).

With semen retention, what are the high level rules? Can I still have lots of aneros (or a-less sessions) and orgasms? Is it okay to stroke my cock and bring myself to the brink a few times, just not ejaculating? I have good control and pretty experience so not worried about accidentally ejaculating.

Awesome! Thanks for your reply @SOwithoutAneros !

Can I still have lots of aneros (or a-less sessions) and orgasms?

A rookie question for you (or anyone who knows)... aless (or a-less), does that simply imply aneros-less sessions? Simple masturbation or kegels for pleasure without it inserted?

//cheers

A rookie question for you (or anyone who knows)... aless (or a-less), does that simply imply aneros-less sessions? Simple masturbation or kegels for pleasure without it inserted?

//cheers

Yeah, exactly. It's basically (by my definition) enjoying multiple orgasms without the use of any toys inserted.

...I wonder if it's possible to combine aneros play with semen retention during a longer period or time?

Absolutely you can, in fact, frequent gentle use of these wonderful little massagers will most likely help alleviate some of the discomfort associated with the 'blue balls' syndrome. The reason being the prostate massage action can relax the prostate sufficiently to allow some of the fluid in the prostate to gentlly trickle out and down the urethra relieving the internal pressure there. It is this internal pressure which is the source of the referred pain in the testicles.

...does the body 'need' to ejaculate after a few sessions?

Technically, no, the body does not 'need' to ejaculate though ejaculation is a totally natural phenomenon and can occur spontaneously (think wet dreams), many men live chaste lives with seemingly no problems. However, there have been studies which link general prostate health to regular ejaculations. Just what constitutes 'regular ejaculations' is open to considerable discussion.

I get blue balls very easily and my solution have always been to ejaculate to make it go away, but I'm wondering if there might be a threshold one have to overcome in order for the blue balls to disappear without ejaculation.

Urologists most frequently recommend ejaculations as a remedy for 'blue balls' syndrome because it is simple, safe and effective. However, for Aneros users, this has its drawbacks as ejaculations normally initate a hormonal casdcade which effectively diminishes one's arousal level and arousal is a key component leading to Super-O's (see Are you "aroused"?). I believe each man does have a kind of threshold for the onset of this syndrome but there are alternate ways of dealing with it.

1.) The oldest cliché "Take a cold shower...", works but it also effectively kills off the sexual arousal.
2.) Partaking in vigorous physical activity is a path for the mind and body to be distracted long enough for the symptoms of 'blue balls' to dissipate.
3.) The BDSM/Chastity communities employ forced prostate 'milking' techniques to completely drain the prostate without inducing orgasm (see Prostate Milking in the “Your Body” chapter of the Aneros WIKI.)
4.) Simple prostate massage, as mentioned above, can ease the discomfort without destroying the sexual arousal aspect. It actually enhances the arousal leading to greater pleasure, leading to more arousal and on into the orgasmic loop.

In the thread Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence I talk about temporal abstinence as a pathway to greater arousal but did note the problematic 'blue balls' syndrome. I would encourage you to take the 21 day challenge to make a breakthrough to a new level of personal understanding and body awareness.

A rookie question for you (or anyone who knows)... aless (or a-less), does that simply imply aneros-less sessions? Simple masturbation or kegels for pleasure without it inserted?

From the Aneros WIKI 'Glossary' - "Aless (a.k.a. 'Anerosless', 'A-less' or simply '-less') is any session where you have any type of prostate orgasm(s) without an Aneros massager inserted." While mental thought alone may induce these mild orgasms, I believe most men probably induce them through flexing the same muscles they would employ if their Aneros were in situ. Good Vibes to You !

Awesome@SOwithoutAneros , thank you for all the information, I'll brew a cup of tea and read through the links you posted!

//cheers

@JoeCrix84 I can vouch for the practice of SR. When I first embarked on the "21-Day Challenge" I could not make it past about a week. But through several starts-and-stops, I succeeded! I did blog about it fairly extensively too. As you embark on the quest, you will discover energy that you never knew you had! People (especially women!) will treat you differently and you will have an awareness of your sexuality that you never knew existed! Now regarding "blue balls"----your body will have to adapt to the new-found practice of SR. I discovered that to reach the end of the 21-Day Challenge, I needed to refrain from "edging" for the duration, That helped to relieve the "blue balls" and the need to ejaculate. Hang in there! Discover all the benefits SR will offer to you. You need not give up prostate pleasure via Aneros; in fact, while in SR, guys are encouraged to "milk" their prostate regularly. I do in about weekly intervals. Looking forward to reading about your SR adventure! Don't give up! This is something you can do!

So I'm going to give this a shot (I last came Monday so I guess I'm 3 days in already!). I've had lots of multiple orgasms, and am re wired, but I don't think ive ever successfully milked the prostate. Ive tried some massagers, fingers, dildos, etc. but all it does is get me to have orgasms, not anything like milking the cum out of me. So not sure it's even possible for me.

But another question - isn't milking the prostate going against the point / rules of Semen Retention? The point is to keep that in you, not milk it out. Thats what I thought.

Milking the prostate for me is not about quantity. What milking does for me is to relieve some of the pressure that ultimately would result in "blue balls" and it works. I know my "regular" precum production when I edge. "Milking" produces about 3-5 times that amount. Most guys practicing male chastity will have their prostates milked at regular intervals since their ejaculations are so infrequent.

Milking the prostate for me is not about quantity. What milking does for me is to relieve some of the pressure that ultimately would result in "blue balls" and it works. I know my "regular" precum production when I edge. "Milking" produces about 3-5 times that amount. Most guys practicing male chastity will have their prostates milked at regular intervals since their ejaculations are so infrequent.

Ahhh, okay. When Ive tried milking the amount of pre cum does increase a noticeable amount. so maybe that is enough to keep blue balls away. If there's any specific docs, blog posts, or anything you'd recommend i read on semen retention, please let me know!!!
I'm on day 3 now, which isn't that big a deal (often can go 4-5 days without cumming just through my usual habits of edging and multiple dry orgasms without ejaculating), but sexual energy has been higher than normal this week. Had a great session last night and feel asleep without cumming. Going to be having sex later and plan not to cum (although will be tempting just to get off at the end and feel the release.... that's gonna be a real test of my will power.... physically i can do it no problem, just tempting to get off)

Hi @JoeCrix84, for I would like to follow your interesting posting may I kindly ask you not to quote fully every posting you want to answer to? You can edit the quoted postings by deleting text which you are not specially referring to as long as you keep the html tags at the beginning and at the end of the quote where and as they are. Thus you, too, can highlight what statement you really want to refer to in special. Otherwise we all have to scroll always twice the length of a posting. Thanks in advance! 🙂 No offense!
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Milking the prostate for me is not about quantity. What milking does for me is to relieve some of the pressure that ultimately would result in "blue balls" and it works. I know my "regular" precum production when I edge. "Milking" produces about 3-5 times that amount. Most guys practicing male chastity will have their prostates milked at regular intervals since their ejaculations are so infrequent.

Interested what your preferred method to milk your prostate is?

[USER="54633"]busdrvr[/USER] I have good success with Mangasm Flux silicone anal beads. I get in the right "mood" and opt for at least a 15-20 minute session. I also use a Svakom Paddy anal/prostate vibrator but have not had as much success with it as of yet. I don't use Aneros for milking.

If you only want to address a person as I did above you can get a list of users you can choose from by typing f.e. "@SOw ..." without quotation marks

@SOwithoutAneros Followed your advice, great tip! //cheers

@JoeCrix84 I can vouch for the practice of SR

@goldenboy You give me hope that this might be something to try! I actually stumbled across you blog by accident now that I continued googling SR, awesome read! Just the last couple of days I've read so much about SR and it goes so much deeper than I though! People swear by a SR lifestyle! It's apparently nothing new... it's been used in ancient eastern philosophies such as tantra to preserve the essential life force, in Chinese medicine called 'jing'.

I also stumbled across the NoFap community, but they seem to have a much more boring approach by which they stop masturbating completely... sounds so boring! Their idea is that you should get rid of that dopamine kick you get from masturbating so you can get it elsewhere, for example in your social life, projects or whatever area in your life you wish to improve. Maybe most of them don't know that it's possible to separate orgasm from ejaculation? SR seems like a much better approach to reap all those benefits, but still allowing you to experience intense pleasure...

@JoeCrix84Looking forward to reading about your SR adventure! Don't give up! This is something you can do!

I will definitely get back to you guys with my experience, can't wait! I'm already at day 5... and I'm waiting for my Helix Syn to arrive; let the journey begin!

I need to reiterate my confusion over this technique/practice. SR does not work for me as my body will give me an ejaculatory orgasm in my sleep after around two weeks max, the orgasm is incredibly good though, no complaints there, but i cannot retain beyond this point, it can even happen at random earlier than this. So how some of you are having retention 25+ days is puzzling beyond words.

@The_Fury SR is not about having no ejaculations. All guys will eventually experience wet dreams (like yours) but the duration varies. I have gone 26 days in SR without a wet dream (but I really wanted one!) If you are getting them after 2 weeks, great! That is no reason to stop the practice of SR. You can proceed from there. Good luck!

@SOwithoutAneros Followed your advice, great tip!

Thank you so much, it's a great pleasure now to scan your thread again, good job! 🙂

@JoeCrix84 - i think we must have started at the same time. I'm on Day 7 today. (also so first day of slight discomfort with blue balls and feeling pretty full)

@JoeCrix84, I'm with you too - myself on day 13 already, slight blue balls after great precum leaking MMO/SO aless action this evening (GMT+1).

Semen retention is a good thing, with many many benefits. The downside is prostate congestion, aka 'blue balls'. I have found that limited prostate milking does wonders to eliminate prostate congestion. What I do is milk my prostate to release just a little, but not empty my prostate. That keeps it near full, but not full to the point of pressure and pain. After getting into a regular pattern and doing this for about a year, I was away on a business trip and had forgotten to take my milking tools. 2 nights after I was due for my regular milking session I had a wet dream.

I'm starting to have more interest in prostate milking to relieve some of the blue ball side-effects that you sometimes get with SR.
For those interested in sharing, how do you milk your prostate? Other than using fingers what device do you use and how do you use it? Do you manually manipulate the device or do you use it more hands-free like you would your Aneros?

Well I'm on Day 1. Pretty disappointed with myself. I was having a great session yesterday, started very slow for an hour or two, but then got really good at it and could handle more and more stimulation. I was stimulating my cock more and harder, and having great orgasms for at least 2-3 hours. It was just past my bedtime, and I just said to myself, "5 more minutes". Well, I shouldn't have. I got too close and used my muscles to hold it off (actually, nothing came out), but I'm almost certain I had a retrograde ejaculation (or whatever they call it when it stays in - youre actually not supposed to do that regularly cause could have some health implications).

I had great control the whole session last night , and was doing a good job keeping the point of no return far enough away, and if i got too close using my MMO skills to keep the ejaculation far enough away and just enjoy the orgasms. I just got too confident, and had a slip up.

So Day 1 for me now 🙂
I signed up for the videos at 21daychallenge.com to see if that will help me along the way for the next attempt. Ugh.
I feel so different today. It was so surprising how the sexual energy just immediately depleted my body (even though the ejaculation wasn't that strong or enjoyable - mostly cause my muscles were so tense trying to stop it, i sorta ruined it), and this morning I feel so different. Even more so than when I was usually ejaculating 2-3 times a week. I think the contrast between Day 8 (yesterday) and Day 1 (today) is really apparent.

So i'm on day 2 now (ejaculated Tuesday night after 8 days of 1st attempt at SR) but still feel depleted a bit an not that interested in sex. Usually when i was ejaculating 2-3 days per week I'd feel back to normal by now.

Do you think SR is making my recovery from an ejaculation longer?

@JoeCrix84on day 13 already, slight blue balls after great precum leaking MMO/SO aless action this evening (GMT+1).

@JoeCrix84I'm on Day 7 today. (also so first day of slight discomfort with blue balls and feeling pretty full)

That's great! I "should" be on day 11 by now, but after 3 days of continuous blue balls my hypochondriacal monkey who lives in my brain kicked in and decided for me that I had epididymitis... so I masturbated to check my cum for any abnormalities, and when I couldn't find none and the blue balls went away, I felt like I'd been fooled by my own body haha...

So, I'm back on day 4 now... I'm expecting the blue balls to show up now any day soon, this time I'll be prepared.

Semen retention is a good thing, with many many benefits. The downside is prostate congestion, aka 'blue balls'. I have found that limited prostate milking does wonders to eliminate prostate congestion.

I quote the following link on Epididymal Hypertension: http://www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/epididymal-hypertension-blue-balls

When a man becomes sexually aroused, the arteries that carry blood to his genitals enlarge, while the veins that leave the genital area constrict, allowing less blood to escape. This uneven rate of blood flow increases the quantity and pressure of blood flow and traps it in the genital area. This pressure is responsible for producing an erection and making the testes swell to be 25-50% larger than their normal size. If an orgasm is achieved, the blood vessels will return to their normal size and the volume of blood in the genitals quickly returns to its normal level. By contrast, if a man does not have an orgasm, blood in the genitals builds up through a process called vasogongestion and may create sensations of heaviness, aching, or discomfort.

I find it fascinating that prostate milking may relieve blue balls, but I believe you! However, is it safe? Doesn't milking the prostate require a lot of pressure on the prostate? Way more than what the aneros offers by using your anal muscles alone?

How do you do it? 🙂

//cheers

I find it fascinating that prostate milking may relieve blue balls, but I believe you! However, is it safe?

Yes it is safe if you are healthy and you proceed with gentle application of pressure.

Doesn't milking the prostate require a lot of pressure on the prostate? Way more than what the aneros offers by using your anal muscles alone?

Milking does not require a lot of pressure, about the same amount of pressure you would use as when rubbing your eye. This amount of pressure is more than your Aneros (using your pelvic floor muscles only) can apply but is not substantially more.

How do you do it?

'Milking' your prostate of seminal fluids can be learned. You can read a short paragraph about Prostate Milking in the “Your Body” chapter of the Aneros WIKI. You can read a longer treatise on prostate milking technique and issues from Lady Lubyanka. There is also a well written blog by Andr. titled HOW TO MILK A BULL which gives step by step descriptions of the process.

My own experience has revealed the conditions need to be 'right' to accomplish a true "milking" using your Aneros and without using your hand to manipulate the massager. Generally, you need to be highly aroused, your prostate needs to be full and engorged due to arousal (an erect penis from edging is helpful but not mandatory). You should be on the high excitement plateau just before reaching the PONR (Point of No Return), then using your sphincter and PC muscles start performing very strong, rhythmic, slow paced contractions with total relaxation between contractions. It is important to maintain your arousal level, through penile stimulation if necessary, but don't take yourself to the point of ejaculatory inevitability (PONR). This may take a long time and be somewhat strenuous but you will eventually get the ejaculatory ducts to open and the drip, drip, drip of prostatic fluid. The process may not yield much fluid nor be intensely pleasurable in relationship to the amount of energy expended, it can be done, but Aneros devices (regardless of model or size) may not be the best tools for this particular activity. The best tool I've found for performing a real self "milking" is the Njoy 'Pure Wand'. I suspect having a professional masseuse do this would be much more pleasant as you could really just relax into the pleasurable release to be had. Good Vibes to You !