Mindgasm / Secret Muscle

Interesting post. I’ve been doing this very thing from the beginning of my journey. In one of my earlier posts I describe sucking air or fluid down my urethra. I always refer to my pelvic floor as front,back,up,down etc. This is one way of describing the mind muscle connection. I believe this is what they are trying to teach. The top is very important no doubt,I wouldn’t necessarily say all three contractions are what cause the magic,more like they roll off each other to massage the prostate. I find care needs taken around the cremaster muscles,I think those bad asses are what cause me to move toward ejaculation,which off course we don’t want. Good stuff old boy!

A very first post already advertising and praising an alien site always awakes my scepticism.

Thanks for the description. 

The idea of flexing a muscle in the tip of your penis is the basis of my aless, from this post (for those that know me, you know how much I love this post):

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/how-to-have-a-less-orgasms-almost-instantly-male-vagus-nerve-orgasms/#post-99265

The website looks interesting. 

@sowithoutaneros

The site is a hot topic on the related subreddits since a few months. I did not look into it yet, but I guess I should catch up already. At least to learn first hand what we are talking about. 

It seems to do a good job with familiarizing newbies with their pelvic floor muscles. From various posts I read, I understand that the lectures are given in the form of guided meditation audio files which yield no complete course yet. New files get added every now and then.

What leaves me sceptic a bit, is the apparent vagueness regarding the muscles. It all seems a bit too touchy-feely for my taste. But I may do the site wrong. There is only one way to be sure - test it oneself.

@helghast thank you for your thoughts, yes similar to what you wrote, one of the techniques taught is the eternal wave, which I've read about here a long time ago; flexing and releasing your sphincter and then PC in a wave like pattern/rhythm. 

The cremaster muscles! That's something i should read about as I don't know much about them. I have had many a session come to an end (pun intended) because of a particular contraction that seems to set off a hfwo. It seems like that's something to do with those muscles.

Back, front, up and down is a great way of thinking of the pelvic floor. I've never been 100% confident in what I'm flexing down there, there are a lot of muscles knitted together. Recently I've discovered what feels like flexing from behind the prostate as opposed to in front, that seems to massage the sweet spot wonderfully. It's good to experiment.

@sowithoutaneros

Yeah a post like that deserves a healthy dose of scepticism but I think you can tell I'm genuine and not selling snake oil, I was just sharing with the community my experiences using this site. I doubt this site came up with the technique of flexing "the top", there must be information here or elsewhere to read about it if money is an issue, I gave a basic explanation right here. 

Like i said i enjoyed the sessions, more then just that technique, they are well made and the guidance/instructions throughout gives me some structure to aneros play as I've something of a restless mind. But listen to one of the first three to see what you think if it interests you.  

And this isn't my first post, I did have a older account with a handful of posts from over the years but when they updated the site i couldn't access it, deleted i imagine.

@divine_o thanks for the link, I'll read it with interest. I've never heard of the male vagus nerve and to be used for aless orgasms? Wow, there's something almost unnerving about the potential for aless orgasms for me! 

Update: from the link you sent, yes that's exactly it! See I missed that, I don't get on this site enough. Well well the male vagus nerve. So they've incorporated that very subtle flexing with sphincter and PC contractions (calling it the trinity squeeze) as opposed to a standalone exercise. 

@unfug No it's definitely not touchy feely concerning muscles, in fact for a lot of experienced users i think would find it the exact opposed. A lot of muscle flexing is done quite firmly. The sphincter is routinely at a 70% squeeze (if relaxed is 0% and as hard as you can at 100%) and the PC muscle at 50%. The idea being muscle imbalance and fatigue to start P waves. No touchy feely, no let the aneros guide you here, you're getting a solid workout in haha but yeah that might be overkill for some, I've always done very slight contractions or the do nothing approach in my aneros session with limited success but the very active style seems to be working for me. Over time I'm sure those numbers can be reduced as you become more sensitive to the sensations of the prostate.

Concerning the site, it does look a little incomplete but the core sessions are there, I think early on your aneros journey those could be helpful. I believe it was 10 us dollars per month sponsoring on Patreon but you could easily listen to all of the audios and get a thorough understanding of technique in that time and then cancel the subscription. I've no affiliation with the site I can only speak from my personal experience I imagine there will be people that get little benefit from it.

I remember reading the recommendation for the slightest touch e-stim product on aneros wiki (which i think is still up on the wiki page), we're going back a few years, that cost me $100 I did not have any success with it and so sent it back. Never received a refund, never heard back from a number of emails to them. So yes, there are people out there looking to take advantage of others but I don't believe the mindgasm site is one of them.

WM

Edit: spelling

@sowithoutaneros I had a flick through the site,at a guess,I’d say a lot of its material came from this forum. It had a very familiar feel,throw in the binaural beats and handsfree videos from YouTube and you have a site that’s tried to merge all into one.

I had a peek last time this was mentioned, all I can say is that the production value seemed good to my ears, and the free sessions are full length and not just samples. As @helghast said, nothing revolutionary but it could work great for some, worth a shot I guess. 

I didn't listen long enough to see if any hypnotic suggestions were floating in there, always better to listen to the whole thing and make sure you're comfortable with all the content before you try it "for real". 

Edit : I'll give the 3 free files a listen this evening, if they seem "right" to me I'll try them in a session and see what happens. Together they're just over an hour, so this shouldn't be too bad, I'll write a short review tomorrow. If something's sketchy, you'll know about it. 

@helghast

To me it would look a lot like robbery or at least copyright violation IF anyone took content from here and sold it elsewhere without asking the original posters.

I wouldn‘t argue against spreading the word. The commercial aspect would be what would make me sick.

Someday a historian will write „those were the days when internet died.“

Never mind.

Ok I got the audio from the YouTube channel but moving squiggly things don't do anything for me so I did not feel a need to watch them while listening. Anyway the files instruct you to lay down, so...

I listened to all 3 files while wide awake and alert. They are not hypnosis, and I didn't find anything nefarious or negative, and nothing was jarring or would make me snap out of it, so that's good.

You should listen to them while already relaxed, since they have very short relaxation segments, not long enough in my opinion to put you in the right mood. 

As for the content, #1 is very basic but it sets the stage, I don't think you would listen to it more than once. #2 is a little better, using sound clues for contractions is not an amazing new idea but it's done pretty well. #3 is mainly a guided tug-o-war exercise that shows some potential, pretty textbook in my opinion but well executed. 

All 3 audios use the same generic kind of "relaxation" music you would expect if you listen to a lot of these, somewhat bland but okay. The voice is a little in that uncanny valley where it's not always clear if its text to speech or real voice with effects, I was not sure anymore at #3, but it's very unemotional so the encouragements and reassuring don't feel very real to me.

After listening to them, I didn't feel really motivated to listen to everything again, so I did not force it. There's nothing really arousing in the audios themselves, so like relaxation, you need to bring your own...

I'll give #3 a try with my Eupho, but I'll play a good induction before to put me in the mood. I think it has some interesting ideas in it, but can't say how well they'll work without an honest try or two. 

I too have been checking this website out lately. Only able to get the first three lessons, so thanks for explaining the "top" muscle idea.

I never really got very far with trying to differentiate the sphincter from the PC muscles, but I think that going through the lessons had helped with that.

The wave motion mentioned in the third lesson involves rolling from sphincter contraction to pc contraction, then relaxing sphincter then pc. I have a couple of questions on that:

How many other people already do this for aneros sessions? I don't think I've ever really tried this in my nearly aimless experimentations with contractions if I even do more than basic contractions where I don't even try to differentiate.

Also, does this motion work just as well in reverse? Squeezing the pc muscles first then sphincter, then releasing again in that order seems easier for me to do.

Posted by: @aneros_user88299

How many other people already do this for aneros sessions?

I remember undergoing some kegel practice a few years ago, but I rather do them willingly anymore. Most of the time I let go and let my prostate take over. What happens is so unpredictable, I couldn't even imagine a scheme behind it, but it works and it never has been the same sort or order or intensity or whatever any time.

Lucky me. 🙂

@aneros_user88299

i am like @sowithoutaneros nowadays, but in the beginning I took the time to differentiate between the various major muscle groups, and “roll” between them. I also played with the tug of war method. 

I'll play around with these concepts for a while and see if they lead me anywhere. Usually I just lay doing nothing or do some contractions, not really differentiating muscles Maybe the rolling movements will do a better job of massaging the right spot. Then there's the concept of fatiguing the muscles then letting up slowly on the PC muscles, leading to involuntaries/vibrations.

Not to mention I can work on these movements from time to time at any time, not just during Aneros sessions. Might help with rewiring since it targets the prostate.

i listened to the first two mindgasm lessons.  i think they're great. i plan on trying the rest of the lessons, behind the pay wall.

things i like:

• the site is well thought out, and attractive.
• the guided lessons (so far) are too
• in particular i think it is clever to associate music with the different contractions, and to call them Base and Center.  This device makes it comfortable for uninitiated men to get started in a mindset that they won't find threatening.  It is stealthy. 
• i just love the idea of bass tones representing the sphincter and mid-range tones the PC.
• similar for using a generated voice.
• i think their strategy for inducing voluntaries is effective.

it is true that many concepts and terms ("involuntaries" and "rewiring") come from this site.  I wonder who these folks are, what their background is, and if they are here on the forum!

darwin

Posted by: @darwin

I wonder who these folks are, what their background is, and if they are here on the forum!

Same. 🙂 I'd guess that a veteran member (like the writing kind, not the lurking one) would have tried to advertise for his new project or asked for feedback / advice in advance. 

Funnily enough the legal notes of the site state a business address in good ol' germany. I'm pretty sure it's not @sowithoutaneros and I guarantee it's not me. 😉

As reported above, I was very favorably impressed by both the professionalism of the Mindgasm website and the quality, in many ways, of the first two lessons.

Even so, I wasn't prepared for the profound excellence of the third lesson. 

These guys, whoever they are, have, in my view, produced a definitive resource.  I've listened to countless other guided sessions.   The Mindgasm lessons stand apart in bringing a keen insight into how to present the material (as discussed in my original post), and, more importantly, the physiology of inducing orgasmic pelvic floor contractions. 

I would describe their accomplishment as bringing multi-dimensional professional expertise to a problem that so far has been tackled by well-informed amateurs.  These guys know what they are doing.

Given how diverse people's thinking and preferences are, I am curious to hear others' perspectives.

@Darwin There used to be a poster on here long long ago named @Mindgasm. I wonder if this is the same guy.

Now I just created a profile and I know that seems suspicious. I bought my Aneros last week after lurking in these forums for quite a while and was planning on registerin now that I've started my journey. Repping Sweden, anyone?

I started off following the wiki and then a couple days ago I came across this thread and decided to try the Mindgasm and while I won't say that I've experienced bliss yet, I do feel that it was much easier for me to stay focused on feelings and contractions with the soundtrack and instructions they provide. I get that there's some suspicion and maybe some bad feelings about someone making money off of it, but at the same time it's high production value and I think it would be unreasonable to expect it to be completely free. Someone put a lot of hours (and a lot of knowledge) into crafting this. Plus, we get three full audios for free.

I haven't subscribed to the Patreon yet as I'm in no rush. Planning on practicing with the first three until I feel I have better control over my Pelvic floor and sphincter. If I do subscribe I could give an update here what it's like from a complete beginner's perspective.

The reason for my posting is that I just want to give you old-timers a beginner's perspective and from my point of view, I'm grateful to have this resource.

I tried #3 with my Eupho, wanted to give this an honest go and was not feeling it the preceding days so I waited a little. 

I had some trouble not going ahead of the instructions and giving them my own twist, but I managed to follow everything to the letter. I still stand by my other comments, but now can add that following the instructions with a toy inserted will indeed induce some involuntaries. It's not the goal in #3 to make them grow and flourish so it leaves you hanging at the end, but I guess it's just prep for the other sessions, so that's to be expected. Worth a try.

It is good to come back here and to read some of the comments and discussion this post has created.

The person behind the site i think has been around these parts before in this community with the "top muscle" in the audio having strong ties to the male vagus nerve post. I wouldn't mind sending him a message to see if there's a connection. 

@darwin (i hope i tagged him correctly) i think i expressed myself and perspective in the initial posts, of the positive progress that came from it. As sessions go I will listen to no.2 - no.5 which is over eighty minutes and time enough to build up some good vibration. I have had the chance this week to have a session and again with deep breathing i was given two "mindgasms", not sure what else to call them; energy brain baths? It seems they are repeatable and perhaps the namesake of the website.

My thoughts to one side Darwin i would be genuinely interested in your own and perhaps a review of the other three audio sessions, especially number five where the base, centre and top come together in the trinity squeeze. Someone of your calibre and experience would offer insight into the inner workings of these audios as someone who is already accomplished with the aneros. Also I'd be very curious if you come to similar "brain buzzing bliss" as I have and then some.

WM

Posted by: @whiskersm

The person behind the site i think has been around these parts before in this community ...

I think you are quite correct. I finally got around to listening to all three of the free Mindgasm? training lessons. It's obvious to me they have researched the subject well, having drawn much insight from the wisdom contained on the Aneros Forum and the Aneros WIKI. I agree with @darwin 's analysis. These are very professionally produced and offer some excellent instruction to initiates into male orgasm that is distinctly non-penile oriented. (I was a little humored by the narrator named "Allie", hmmmm, a nodding reference to "Alana" from the "HypnAerosession" recording perhaps?)

I think this specific, objective type training session will work well for many men, especially for those men who prefer a formulaic approach to problem solving. In that respect, these lessons may be more effective than the "HypnAerosession" mentioned above. I think once a man has gotten the physical techniques well practiced he can benefit even more from "HypnAerosession" due to it's focus on some of the psychological aspects of this practice. It will be interesting to hear about some of the other training lessons, perhaps they will bundle them in the future and sell a downloadable zip file with all the lessons combined.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel I think you are right.  The Mindgasm approach is very structured.  In that respect it forms a nice complement to the HypnAerosession that, as you say, takes more of a mindscape approach, and that has proven so successful over many years.

darwin

I listened to Mindgasm, vol 1, 2, & 3 during my Eupho session today. They are well done and I enjoyed Allie taking me through the contraction exercises. I hadn’t worked much on isolating the Base and Center contraction, so this was a good way to work through it. I was definitely excited that I was starting to develop the Eternal Wave and will be using that in future sessions.

During my first ride on the Helix Trident I got last week, I used the first two Mindgasm videos after about 20 or so minutes of trying to relax. I had a great time that night and felt a lot of new sensations for the first time, two of which were a glowing sort of sensation as if a lightbulb went off in my prostate and ass. I made a forum post here the next day, which I'll copy part of here because a user in the reply's said you guys might find interest in this.

The Post:

I'm super surprised that I had so good of a time last night, I really wasn't expecting much to work right away since that'd been most peoples experience. After I tried to relax for a while on my own with the aneros in, I used the Mindgasm videos to get into the contractions. To my surprise, I ended up enjoying them way more than I thought I was going to. They were super helpful and I'll definitely be trying out the Patreon.  In lesson 1 at the end they have you practice the big squeeze, which caused me to have this glowing, bright, warm sensation right behind my dick area in the prostate for about 20 or so seconds. It was amazing, I couldn't believe I'd had this within the first hour. Throughout the night, I had one more instance of this glowing ecstasy feeling in my prostate, I believe it was brought on at a point in Lesson 2. In the first half of the lesson I had been toying with the contractions, doing relatively light ones with the intent of teaching myself how to exhaust the muscles. In the second half I was instructed to do bigger squeezes and one of these brought on this bright feeling again, like there was a lightbulb in my prostate that lit up. It feels warm and bright and fantastic. This time I definitely felt involuntaries, my pc muscle  and maybe my base spasmed wildly for about 30 seconds and spread a little ways through my butt/waist area instead of just focused pleasure on the walnut sized prostate. I only had these glowing feelings two times, where the pleasure was directly linked with the prostate and I could feel it clearly. Both times my dick immediately got rock hard, but that only added to the pleasure of the whole thing (not once did I touch it though, other than to move it from an uncomfortable position). Are these P waves, or mini o's? I have no idea what terms to link to them haha.

The rest of the session I had a handful of other great feelings. I was shocked that by contracting the right way holding it (doing the big squeeze) bring on a feeling I'd never experienced before. It's hard to describe, but it was pleasurable without directly feeling stimulating like the two glowing sensations I had felt before. I would contract and hold, and I could feel something in my balls or right behind them start to build up. I'd feel spasms of varying intensity build up in this area, when suddenly, my legs and/or hips would start shaking wildly. I couldn't believe that this was happening involuntarily to me, at first I felt like there's no way that this was actually happening, had I consciously caused myself to do that? After 5-10 of these waves (for lack of a better term for what to call them) I can safely say that this shaking was completely involuntary, something would cause my hips to just start shaking and I have no idea what. It's not even like it was super pleasurable either like the glowing feelings had been. I couldn't distinctly feel my prostate during these waves, but each one was good regardless.

Regardless, the whole thing was hot as hell. Before I got the aneros, I was infatuated with the idea of my body having a mind of its own and shaking wildly, it's what aroused me most when watching videos of people using the device. I was very happy to have experienced this myself. I feel like I still enjoyed the two glowing feelings I had better though because I could clearly feel my prostate (and in the second one, I could tell I was having involuntaries the right way). Hopefully someday I can have both of these at the same time, my body moving on its own and the glowing feeling in my prostate. I don't believe I reached a super-o, but I'm really at a loss of how to define each of these sensations. I also am having a hard time distincting my pc muscle from my sphincter. I think I'm sort of able to contract two separate muscles, but it's hard to tell which one is the pc muscles used to stop pee, and which one is the anal sphincter. I also have a hard time telling how intensely I'm contracting and so I'm not always able to gauge if I'm doing a "75% contraction" as instructed, but this is probably just because I'm so new to this.  Any help would be appreciated!!

I'm still not 100% sure I'm doing everything right, but the way I contract the sphincter causes my abdominal muscles to tense. If I look at my penis, it shrinks in a bit when i do a pc contraction.

If I raise my leg and look at the aneros, I see that the aneros sinks inward with a pc contraction, but with the  sort of sphincter contraction that causes my abs to tense I can do that separate from pc.

Does it take complete control to so these things, or is it enough to be able to contract sphincter independently but not pc?

Posted by: @aneros_user88299

Does it take complete control to so these things, or is it enough to be able to contract sphincter independently but not pc?

Enough to do what?

I always advocate for pushing muscle seperation as far as possible. Let's use a silly methaphor: if you are going with the "do-nothing" approach, provoking genuine involuntaries, that's like asking someone to play the piano for you. If you want a slightly more active approach, then not seperating the muscles properly is like playing it yourself, but with mittens.

To be fair though, I'm pretty sure I'm alone with this puristic position. And most of the others here get along quite well w/o a fetish for precise muscle control. But a seperation of the Levator Ani (vulgo: "the PC™") and the anal sphincter should be a minimum imho.

Fun Fact: the anal sphincter is in fact at least five sphincters along the anal canal with three of them being striated muscles, meaning you can control them at will (in theory - if you learn it). Imho, the famous "auto-fuck" is actually a "tug-of-war" situation between these anal canal muscles.