Meditation and prostate

I have been working on weening myself off weed over the past couple of months. I don’t have a particular problem with the weed I smoke, but I don’t want to be reliant on it for my pleasure. So what I am attempting to do is teach my body to find that state of mind I so easily access on THC. Rum Das tells the story where his guru demands Rum Das hand over all his LSD (this was obviously before he quit the psychedelics). He gave his stash of LSD, far too much to be taken all at once, to his Guru who promptly swallowed the lot. To Rum Das’s astonishment the drugs had no affect on him what so ever. The nirvana Rum Das was chasing with his LSD was a state in which the Guru lived. I think it was Sam Harris that said psychedelics don’t add anything to the brain, it reveals what is already there. Assuming that is the case, surely I can find a way to reveal the capacity to experience indescribable pleasure sober. It is not like other people have not done it, we read about these experiences achieved sober, on this forum every day. I think you both @clenchy and @zentai have experienced them already. So what I have done is smoke less and less but still experience the same mind bending states. My modus operandi is to begin a session sober. I let what pleasure comes to me build and do its thing, whatever that thing is on any given day. Some days it is fairly mild and others really intense. Once I think I am at the threshold of that days pleasure I will micro dose myself. Now to be clear, this “micro dosing” thing I am doing is a highly inaccurate practice. I smoke my THC, so how far down the joint I am affects the strength of the hit I will get. The size of the drag I am taking is another wild card and then there’s how erratically weed affects me generally. What I am trying to do is take smaller and smaller drags and see where it takes me. So, once I am ready for my THC dose I take my ever decreasing drag and put all my awareness on my body and how the weed is affecting it. This cannot be a mind thing, we cannot think our way into orgasms or THC highs. I suppose what I want is my body to learn how to access the thing that is already there but in a place I cannot find consciously. A fascinating thing is that some of the most mind blowing experiences I have had lately have been on a micro dose. My sober sessions are definitely starting to move into super orgasm territory though I have also had a couple of accidental ejaculations as well. I don’t seem to have the same effortless ability to walk around my ejaculatory response sober, as I do stoned.

I have been doing this micro dose thing for about six weeks now and do believe it is working. I am in no great hurry, so patience is easy. I was not going to report on my technique until I had solid results, but the discussion has come up in this thread so why not? Someone may have an insight that will help me on my way, or maybe this may help someone else.
@clenchy and @zentai, I really do hope you find your way back to the former levels of pleasure you formally experienced.

@rickr 

Thanks for sharing your approach ! I actually never went much beyond micro-dosing because I was afraid of where this would take me. I measured dosage quite precisely at first becasue I had no idea how THC would work on me, but obviously as I went exploring further and more often, my bookkeeping got worse and I stopped caring as much about chronicling everything.  Once I had a standard dose figured out I just went with that. 

One thing I found was that re-dosing during a session pretty much never improved things, and that higher doses above a minimum threshold did not make for better S-O either. I never tied to judge how high I was getting, it was only about the quality of the Super-O experience. For me it took very little herb to reach boundless pleasure, 

Posted by: @rickr

My modus operandi is to begin a session sober. I let what pleasure comes to me build and do its thing, whatever that thing is on any given day. Some days it is fairly mild and others really intense. Once I think I am at the threshold of that days pleasure I will micro dose myself.

I did things differently, but with a similar intent. I would micro-dose, then start by just laying still and not touching myself, then when I saw things were not going out of control, would add body caressing and different, "stronger" positions, and if that was still manageable, then I would introduce an Aneros to the mix. Lots of times I did my sessions Aless because the feelings were strong enough already without a device and I did not care to go further. Now I do the same with my sober sessions, trying to see how little I can get away with before adding more elements. 

At this point, any amount of cannabis will trigger the Os, so this is in line with what you are experiencing, and also matches what's in Cliff Dunning's book. I feel like possibly, being too high will prevent Super-Os from happening or will mask some feelings that you would need to get better Os.

I don't feel like in my particular case, I can trust myself to "just use a tiny bit", I want to get back to some quality sober Os and finish some projects before I even think about THC again. It's important for me to be able to "do it all by myself", and each use of THC pushes this back further. 

Posted by: @zentai

Lots of times I did my sessions Aless because the feelings were strong enough already without a device and I did not care to go further.

Most of my sessions are aless.

Posted by: @zentai

I don't feel like in my particular case, I can trust myself to "just use a tiny bit"

I guess I am lucky in this regard, I am not particularly attached to sober super o's. If I can learn to have them without weed great, but if not so be it. It does take the pressure off.

@rickr I’d be interested to hear some numbers of what you constitute as a  micro dose. Seems to vary quite wildly from person to person.

Posted by: @pirontras

Thank you for your support and a lot of good points guys! The problem has kind of ceased, and I cannot feel my prostate at all now. This is quite interesting turn of events.

 

Hey, @pirontras! My recommendation is to return to your meditations and to enjoy that your prostate now doesn't disturb them anymore. This is what you've asked for lately. Now enjoy.

My journey here taught me, that my prostate orgasms can't be found, they find me.

If you like to try, speak to your prostate, when it shall give you some joy, ask for it, perhaps even beg or plead a little. Then exercise patience. Stay open minded for some unexpected subtle feelings like a little shiver anywhere in your body - perhaps growing throughout your body - keep welcoming every ever so little sign of arousal and encourage your gland to go on to please you.

As you are on a discovery channel, you are learning something new, something different, don't compare, don't fill your mind with expectations. As you've learned during meditations try to empty your mind for surprising new experiences, you've never felt or read about before.

If you feel a little bored, call it a session and go on with your errands or whatever. Only try again, when you feel to be really in the mood for it and when you have enough time and space and no errands waiting.

Once I stumbled upon the app "one moment meditation" learning that one minute might already be enough, I can tell that one minute of Aless (prostate orgasms triggered without Aneros tools) already can make my day.

Good luck and good vibes!

Mart

@sowithoutaneros Omg! Welcome back Mart! 

Posted by: @helghast

@sowithoutaneros Omg! Welcome back Mart! 

Yes, I agree! Welcome back my friend; we missed your wisdom and good humor!

@helghast 

What constitutes a micro dose? Difficult to quantify as I smoke my herb and am literally taking smaller and smaller drags on the joint. What I can tell you is that I don't feel high at all, and I have a pretty low tolerance as I never have more than 3 drags, to get me buzzing, from plants I grow myself.

Posted by: @rickr

@helghast 

What constitutes a micro dose?

All day and every now and then I love the playfully use of micro doses. For example I ever so slightly let one forefinger touch my lips and stroke slowly from one corner of my mouth to the other and already feel a tingle in my crotch.

Surely not the micro dose you meant, @rickr, but what I wanted to throw in is that there are micro doses everywhere you can create by focus and concentration being in and living the moment.

Only watch little children playing, they are living the moment and forget anything else around them - spatially and temporally. Pure contentment. Happiness consists in contentment. We adults can relearn this.