Meditation and prostate

I don't think this is uncommon, I vibed for nearly two weeks after my first super-o. It was kind of like when you get a twitching eyelid, only in and around my prostate. Has never done the same thing since then, but I can hit a bump driving down the road and trigger an orgasm that will last 30 miles or more of driving. 

I'm in a similar boat, trying to detox from the easy THC Os, it's been a while since I managed to attain a good one. I went back to erotic hypnosis, binaurals and breathing exercises. To me this is a return to the source or my first forays in Super-O exploration. 

I decided that since I have trouble creating arousal, I would concentrate on the relaxation part, hoping for some calm seas. I guess I became lazy and the good feelings I get are "not good enough" for me to get into a O state right now. This is without doing SR, which does very little in my case from experience.  

I suggest you stick with SR for a bit, it could take some time for things to reach a balance, it wont necessarily get worse with time. Maybe after day 5 you'll be cruising, who knows ? Good luck ! 

Posted by: @pirontras

I know I'm in a new territory and I want to keep going, but it's rather frustrating being edged all the time and being unable to either have an orgasm or an ejaculation for release.

I have long maintained that the Aneros 'journey' is an evolutionary process. I don't believe you cease to grow after you have experienced your first Super-O but in fact you continue to evolve your experiences and your skill set. Sensations which you may have experienced early on in your journey may become so commonplace that you may take them for granted, other sensations may no longer occur at all, it's an evolving process. You may go through periods of lackluster performance only to be followed by periods of heightened arousal. Human beings are attuned to novelty and making slight behavioral changes is normal to enhance our personal evolution. @pirontras, I suspect you are in the process of embarking on one of those periods of change and I encourage you to follow where your intuition is leading you despite the temporary frustration your ego is creating for you.

Posted by: @pirontras

The worst part is I'm only on day 3 of my semen retention, so it's probably gonna get way worse.

Perhaps it would be better to label your journey with semen retention as more intense rather then "...worse." How you frame your attitude moving forward is critical to successful growth. Yes, there will be increased sensations and tension as you move along the S.R. path but you will eventually get to a point of homeostasis and a high arousal state. Once you have reached that state I suspect your Super-O's will return.

Good Vibes to You!

Thank you for your support and a lot of good points guys! The problem has kind of ceased, and I cannot feel my prostate at all now. This is quite interesting turn of events.

Posted by: @pirontras

The problem has kind of ceased, and I cannot feel my prostate at all now

I have experienced something simular, I lose all desire also. Its like I'm horny but I'm meh, at the same time. Its short lived and it usually results in me turning a corner and things ramp up to a new level. 

@regal13 I like your kind of driving! If that were me, I'd need frequent attention to the car's suspension system because I'd be aiming for every pothole out there!

@pablito1963 it doesn't take that much, just crossing a bridge will do it if my mind is near recent pleasure or fantasy.  

I also experienced some milestones in the car a few years back, and those locations can be triggering (in the best way) as well. Most outside this forum would call me nuts. Maybe I am, but this is crazy stuff beyond my ability to comprehend, so I just try to enjoy it. My wife believes me, she has felt me go into full a-less a number of times now, and it got her curiosity up enough that she finally decided to get on board having a good sex life! Now our marriage is going through honeymoon we never had and my mind has all kinds of horn ball things to ponder on my commute. Loving life!

@clenchy 

Yeah, THC is not good for me either long-term, probably for the same reasons it works so good for Super-Os in my case. The THC Super-Os are without a doubt the best feeling I've ever experienced, and I'm glad I got to achieve this state, and at the same time sometimes I wish I never opened Pandora's box.

Anyway it's giving me a "chance" to start back at the beginning but I have a lot less patience and a lot more expectations, not the best combo for S-O success. I feel like I'll have to go trough months of uneventful sessions before I get back to where I was pre-THC, at least I know most of the way back... 

@clenchy 

Man, lots of similarities here with my own experience, right to the "eye tension" thing, hehe this is almost freaky in a sense, but not much surprises me anymore these days. I often had this idea in the back of my mind that similar people would have similar Aneros experiences, or would slip into Super-O states in similar ways, but I did not know what would separate different groups. I'll really have to come back to this, but I wanted to share at least this short bit right away. Further ideas :

Posted by: @clenchy

I've already experienced the return of certain songs feeling amazing to listen to completely sober...

Do you experience frisson (aesthetic chills) while listening to music, or get really emotional ?  I know I do and that music has been an important part of my sessions right from the beginning. 

Another thing is that I have this experience where there is a kind of barrier between what I feel and what I think I feel. Very hard to explain, but I have to remind myself to feel things in the actual spot they are happening, for example in the prostate, and not trough a mind filter of my perception of how I understand feelings are happening. This is a pretty rough way of explaining it, I'll try to give it a better shot a bit later. 

Posted by: @clenchy

Only one song gives me a chill up my spine, and it happens in the same part of the song every time I listen to it. The rest of the time, it's a non-distinct sense of "oh hell yeah". Like my brain can taste the music in some weird way. A response that's been notably flattened these past few years.

I get this with several different songs. Movie soundtracks with a strong association with a particular scene or mood tend to work well. For example Promentory,  the main theme from The last of the Mohicans is pretty much 6 minutes of chills for me IF I can focus and not just let my overactive mind wander. 

Posted by: @clenchy

I think being stoned used to make me so mindless that I couldn't get in my own way even if I wanted to.

This is a very clear and succinct way to put it ! With THC I feel it's just impossible for me to make mistakes and the path, and what I need to do (or not do) are very clear. It makes things super easy to navigate. Of course 95% of that is just the mind shutting down. I did lots of tests and spent a lot of time on this, for me it's mostly a focus and arousal thing and not much else. The way some strains make it happen automatically while other don't do much at all really reinforce the idea that to me, it's a relatively small thing that makes it click. 

Posted by: @clenchy

Yeah I've lost a lot of the good habits I used to have. There was a time where I could put in the aneros, lay down, then snap right into the proper mindset and know immediately what to focus on. I don't even know how I did it, but it was a mind-state my brain knew how to get back to. After about 3 or 4 years of smoking weed with every session, this seems like a skill I've forgotten. Now the distracting mind-chatter is back, and this time it comes with a sense of impatience.

Same, years ago I knew exactly what to do, and it was simple. Of course when time comes to put it into words, I find that the "unconscious I" knows the way while the "conscious I" often gets in the way. There's a big list of stuff to do, and a bigger one of stuff not to do. The smarter I think I get about this, the harder it seems to become. I think when I started to really dive into the anatomy of things and the various pleasure hormones, I just made things harder on myself... 

I always go back to the basics. Which for me is, do nothing, and get out of my head, quit looking in all the old haunts, and really just observe. I never really understood that statement as well as I do now. And wait for the new new thing to reveal itself.  At one time I was having 3 different mini orgasms at the same, my prostate my sphincter and my dick would fire off at the same time, except not in any sequence, 1 would be at 20bpm, the other 80bpm and the sphincter 1 giant in and out every 10sec. Although the sensations werenn't overwhelming,it was still an incredible turn on, and I thought it can't get much better than this. And things went silent, I say from SR. Which always brings change for me. And low and behold the new thing was even better. So don't despair or over think it and it will come back around.     

Posted by: @clenchy

As amazing as these things are to get "for free", becoming accustomed to getting them for free is a difficult thing to come back from. And it poses the uncomfortable question: Do I want to smoke weed for the rest of my life? (My answer is no, because I have a life outside of aneros sessions, and my weed smoking had an impact there too)

That's an important thing to keep in mind, as much as I don't feel I was addicted to weed at any point, the effortless Os are addictive enough on their own. My sober Os never had any negative effect on other aspects of my life, no matter how good they were there was never a point where I felt I was overdoing it. The stoned ones, now that's another story entirely... 

Posted by: @clenchy

Like a part of my psyche knew I was holding back, was amused by my fear, and wanted to open the floodgates as a joke, or some kind of lesson. While simultaneously I wanted it to.
And it did "take me" as it promised.

I experienced it in a less positive way several times, where I felt that natural boundaries that would protect me from going too far were just gone, without any control. Or maybe it's just a different take on your idea :

Posted by: @clenchy

[...] wanted to open the floodgates as a joke, or some kind of lesson.

This was kind of a very real manifestation of being careful what you wish for, as you might very well get it... Some of these experiences actually changed me permanently, mostly in a positive way, but I don't feel it's an exaggeration to say that there was definitely a price to pay, even if this was just an opportunity price. 

@clenchy 

I think I had several experiences that would normally be associated with stronger stuff than THC. The Super-O does most of the work, not THC, so you get to a point where there is absolutely no comparison to what you would expect pot alone to do. 

I'm now scared (terrified ?) of anything stronger than weed, I'm pretty sure I don't want to ever touch anything beside cannabis, and honestly would prefer to ween myself completely from it. I was never curious about drugs before, now I know I don't want anything to do with them, hehe. 

I always used really small doses and therefore never built a tolerance, I don't think I would even want to try larger amounts. There are also some audio files I will never listen to while under the influence.

While sober I did not often visit what I like to call the Outer Realms of Super-Os (land of the really crazy stuff), with THC assistance this would happen almost every session, and I came to understand we're not supposed to go there that often. After a couple of times, you would prefer to apply the emergency brake and stay in a safer zone. 

Posted by: @clenchy

[...] because there was one stoned session I had, where I just had to stop and take the aneros out, because it was taking me too deep into something.

This won't happen sober, I got into some uncomfortable situations over the years, but in hindsight I never got anything I was not ready for. You can count on your body to apply the brakes for you if things get too weird. At least, this is true for me. Stoned, all bets are off. But sober, you can remove your foot from the brake, it won't be needed. Obviously, you need to see this for yourself before you trust it 100%, and allow yourself to go just a tiny bit further each time. 

Posted by: @clenchy

Maybe that outer realm was what I was on the verge of when I stopped that time. For me it all felt very safe. Just a mindless pleasure-bath and nothing more, maybe that's why I trusted the experience so much.

I don't know if I can speak with authority on this or not, after all these are deeply individual experiences, but as this was calm seas, there was nothing to be afraid of. It looks like you were headed for that state where you feel love and affection for all living things etc. There are a couple "flavors" of this that I know off, but this was the likely candidate for a first dip. This sadly came with a deep realization afterwards of how little I was doing to help my fellow man and much doubts about where my life was heading, but this is another story. It's not unicorn and rainbows because all of this stuff does not happen in a vacuum, you have to deal with the experience after you're done and process what happened and what it tells you about yourself. 

In the case of a rough seas experience, this would feel much more like the Call of the Void (l'appel du vide), but instead of wondering what would happen if you jumped off a cliff, you're jumping in your own mind. You might encounter some black, sticky, toxic sludge down there, or maybe just primal pleasure. I'm pretty sure most people would call it a bad trip, yet there's still some things to learn from it. I would not advise going to that place all the time, sober you can say "Nope, not going there, thank you very much" and steer away, no big deal. Stoned, it's like curiosity is stronger than common sense in that realm. Learning to navigate that place is pretty f'ed up and you have to develop a kind of "this was all just a dream" attitude. 

This is getting pretty deep in woo-woo territory, so I'll just stop there. Whatever is involved, just like in The Matrix, you can bet that "your mind makes it real" all while you are in a very deep trance-like state. 

Wow and all this time Iv'e just been smokin a joint and chilling into my aneros. Reading the back and forth btwn. you guys, I realize I'm missing a whole nuerosis, or is it phsychosis, or simple OCD. LOL . I'm not sure I wish to have a super o now. I really gotta get a aneros decoder watch. 

@clenchy  exactly what part do you find passive aggressive. Nay an aggressive bone in my body. I am rather straight up normally with a strong sense of humor. The interchange was otherworldly and a little manic about THC. I must admit I haven't had a super o. I'm enjoying the ride. So I made light of it sorry if it touched a nerve. 

Oh ya indica or sativa, what is the best osis for super os

I have only been able to achieve Super-O so far with THC but have made some strides sober. Like you all have said, THC makes it so easy. I start my sessions without it and everything feels diffused and distant. That little puff of the devil's lettuce just opens a door to the pleasure. I'd like to get to the point where I can achieve the same sober but that seems a distant goal. As it is I'm content with the ethereal slide into the realms of ecstasy with the THC. 

Posted by: @clenchy

I think I entered a depression after that, because it provided a stark contrast against the constant level of background anxiety that I consider "normal" and a natural part of who I am.

I get this. My "baseline anxiety" really went down in the last few months, one thing that is very strange is that I feel like it was driving me in some way, and now that's it gone, motivation works a bit differently. I also suffered form insomnia for most of my life and this seems to be getting much better. The mistake was to keep on using weed for session after getting the really big Os, I believe you're supposed to get in, get your lesson(s) then go back and apply them. I just ended up getting greedy. If there is any logic to this thing, fixing the stuff you now know is an issue should lead to getting the sober Os back. At least that's what I'm telling myself... 

Posted by: @tbob

The interchange was otherworldly and a little manic about THC.

I think you need to see it the other way, it's not really the weed doing all this stuff, the Super-O is most of the experience, the THC just greases the rails. Otherwise all cannabis users would be Super-Orgasming  left and right and getting addicted, and we all know this is just not true. 

Some things you would reject during the experience because they seem to be ridiculous or childish or just too weird will just feel natural while under the influence and you'll let them happen. Now when you experience really weird stuff, it's only normal to try and understand what it all means. 

I can't speak for Clenchy, but in my case you'd be right, there is probably a bit of obsession going on, so what ? At least this comes with personal growth and exploring the Super-O is a fascinating hobby in itself.  

Posted by: @zentai

The smarter I think I get about this, the harder it seems to become. 

This is the best advice, that I have adopted. I have long said to myself, advice is so easy to give yet so hard to take. Brother you give some of the best advice, my advice to you is, what would you tell a person with the same problem, and then go apply that. Years ago I discovered a way of looking at things from a different perspective, which also allows me to often laugh at myself. I imagine looking down from high above, and all the things going on around me.Kind of like looking in on yourself. I can reasses my situation, and others. We anerosers have good problems. If THC took me to nirvana, why would I stop, and create problems in my awesome sex life?  Just thinkin out loud

I have been working on weening myself off weed over the past couple of months. I don’t have a particular problem with the weed I smoke, but I don’t want to be reliant on it for my pleasure. So what I am attempting to do is teach my body to find that state of mind I so easily access on THC. Rum Das tells the story where his guru demands Rum Das hand over all his LSD (this was obviously before he quit the psychedelics). He gave his stash of LSD, far too much to be taken all at once, to his Guru who promptly swallowed the lot. To Rum Das’s astonishment the drugs had no affect on him what so ever. The nirvana Rum Das was chasing with his LSD was a state in which the Guru lived. I think it was Sam Harris that said psychedelics don’t add anything to the brain, it reveals what is already there. Assuming that is the case, surely I can find a way to reveal the capacity to experience indescribable pleasure sober. It is not like other people have not done it, we read about these experiences achieved sober, on this forum every day. I think you both @clenchy and @zentai have experienced them already. So what I have done is smoke less and less but still experience the same mind bending states. My modus operandi is to begin a session sober. I let what pleasure comes to me build and do its thing, whatever that thing is on any given day. Some days it is fairly mild and others really intense. Once I think I am at the threshold of that days pleasure I will micro dose myself. Now to be clear, this “micro dosing” thing I am doing is a highly inaccurate practice. I smoke my THC, so how far down the joint I am affects the strength of the hit I will get. The size of the drag I am taking is another wild card and then there’s how erratically weed affects me generally. What I am trying to do is take smaller and smaller drags and see where it takes me. So, once I am ready for my THC dose I take my ever decreasing drag and put all my awareness on my body and how the weed is affecting it. This cannot be a mind thing, we cannot think our way into orgasms or THC highs. I suppose what I want is my body to learn how to access the thing that is already there but in a place I cannot find consciously. A fascinating thing is that some of the most mind blowing experiences I have had lately have been on a micro dose. My sober sessions are definitely starting to move into super orgasm territory though I have also had a couple of accidental ejaculations as well. I don’t seem to have the same effortless ability to walk around my ejaculatory response sober, as I do stoned.

I have been doing this micro dose thing for about six weeks now and do believe it is working. I am in no great hurry, so patience is easy. I was not going to report on my technique until I had solid results, but the discussion has come up in this thread so why not? Someone may have an insight that will help me on my way, or maybe this may help someone else.
@clenchy and @zentai, I really do hope you find your way back to the former levels of pleasure you formally experienced.

@rickr 

Thanks for sharing your approach ! I actually never went much beyond micro-dosing because I was afraid of where this would take me. I measured dosage quite precisely at first becasue I had no idea how THC would work on me, but obviously as I went exploring further and more often, my bookkeeping got worse and I stopped caring as much about chronicling everything.  Once I had a standard dose figured out I just went with that. 

One thing I found was that re-dosing during a session pretty much never improved things, and that higher doses above a minimum threshold did not make for better S-O either. I never tied to judge how high I was getting, it was only about the quality of the Super-O experience. For me it took very little herb to reach boundless pleasure, 

Posted by: @rickr

My modus operandi is to begin a session sober. I let what pleasure comes to me build and do its thing, whatever that thing is on any given day. Some days it is fairly mild and others really intense. Once I think I am at the threshold of that days pleasure I will micro dose myself.

I did things differently, but with a similar intent. I would micro-dose, then start by just laying still and not touching myself, then when I saw things were not going out of control, would add body caressing and different, "stronger" positions, and if that was still manageable, then I would introduce an Aneros to the mix. Lots of times I did my sessions Aless because the feelings were strong enough already without a device and I did not care to go further. Now I do the same with my sober sessions, trying to see how little I can get away with before adding more elements. 

At this point, any amount of cannabis will trigger the Os, so this is in line with what you are experiencing, and also matches what's in Cliff Dunning's book. I feel like possibly, being too high will prevent Super-Os from happening or will mask some feelings that you would need to get better Os.

I don't feel like in my particular case, I can trust myself to "just use a tiny bit", I want to get back to some quality sober Os and finish some projects before I even think about THC again. It's important for me to be able to "do it all by myself", and each use of THC pushes this back further. 

Posted by: @zentai

Lots of times I did my sessions Aless because the feelings were strong enough already without a device and I did not care to go further.

Most of my sessions are aless.

Posted by: @zentai

I don't feel like in my particular case, I can trust myself to "just use a tiny bit"

I guess I am lucky in this regard, I am not particularly attached to sober super o's. If I can learn to have them without weed great, but if not so be it. It does take the pressure off.

@rickr I’d be interested to hear some numbers of what you constitute as a  micro dose. Seems to vary quite wildly from person to person.

Posted by: @pirontras

Thank you for your support and a lot of good points guys! The problem has kind of ceased, and I cannot feel my prostate at all now. This is quite interesting turn of events.

 

Hey, @pirontras! My recommendation is to return to your meditations and to enjoy that your prostate now doesn't disturb them anymore. This is what you've asked for lately. Now enjoy.

My journey here taught me, that my prostate orgasms can't be found, they find me.

If you like to try, speak to your prostate, when it shall give you some joy, ask for it, perhaps even beg or plead a little. Then exercise patience. Stay open minded for some unexpected subtle feelings like a little shiver anywhere in your body - perhaps growing throughout your body - keep welcoming every ever so little sign of arousal and encourage your gland to go on to please you.

As you are on a discovery channel, you are learning something new, something different, don't compare, don't fill your mind with expectations. As you've learned during meditations try to empty your mind for surprising new experiences, you've never felt or read about before.

If you feel a little bored, call it a session and go on with your errands or whatever. Only try again, when you feel to be really in the mood for it and when you have enough time and space and no errands waiting.

Once I stumbled upon the app "one moment meditation" learning that one minute might already be enough, I can tell that one minute of Aless (prostate orgasms triggered without Aneros tools) already can make my day.

Good luck and good vibes!

Mart

@sowithoutaneros Omg! Welcome back Mart! 

Posted by: @helghast

@sowithoutaneros Omg! Welcome back Mart! 

Yes, I agree! Welcome back my friend; we missed your wisdom and good humor!

@helghast 

What constitutes a micro dose? Difficult to quantify as I smoke my herb and am literally taking smaller and smaller drags on the joint. What I can tell you is that I don't feel high at all, and I have a pretty low tolerance as I never have more than 3 drags, to get me buzzing, from plants I grow myself.

Posted by: @rickr

@helghast 

What constitutes a micro dose?

All day and every now and then I love the playfully use of micro doses. For example I ever so slightly let one forefinger touch my lips and stroke slowly from one corner of my mouth to the other and already feel a tingle in my crotch.

Surely not the micro dose you meant, @rickr, but what I wanted to throw in is that there are micro doses everywhere you can create by focus and concentration being in and living the moment.

Only watch little children playing, they are living the moment and forget anything else around them - spatially and temporally. Pure contentment. Happiness consists in contentment. We adults can relearn this.