Make love to yourself?

I have found this thread very exciting. It is IMHO, opening the mind to freedom from inhibitions and ingrained fears from religious indoctrination. Self love is essentially selfish.You ought to be ashamed of yourself! The elements of guilt, shame, fears of being considered odd, weird are dispensed with and melt away, cast into a black hole! I read into these posts," Go on man, enjoy, That's what its for!. Don't hold back. You deserve it" I loved reading these posts. Thanks.

I have found this thread very exciting. It is IMHO, opening the mind to freedom from inhibitions and ingrained fears from religious indoctrination. Self love is essentially selfish.You ought to be ashamed of yourself! The elements of guilt, shame, fears of being considered odd, weird are dispensed with and melt away, cast into a black hole! I read into these posts," Go on man, enjoy, That's what its for!. Don't hold back. You deserve it" I loved reading these posts. Thanks.

Ok... Something is not working here for me.

I'll put on my experimental cap once again. Please forgive the nonsense if any.

@Tomasheen
I dont really see much against most religious faith here. Most of them will warn you against narcissism... which this is not.

Love towards others shouldn't be needy. Love of self shouldn't be needy either.

I'd be interested in @DevaJones' take on what AneRico and I have written from a christian point of view. From what I understand (I have no religious education at all... might be wrong), by doing this, one should find god and god's love within himself and be at peace with the world. How could that be considered "not good".

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@AneRico, I think that phrase only survived in a written form because it was misunderstood. "That seeing they will not see, and hearing they will not hear"
I found a fascinating couple of lines in the Bhagavad Gita that I will post when I can type it out. This has been my mantra over the last few days as I grapple with this refreshing awakening of love of self

The following phrase 'shimmers' for me. It is a direct translation without the usual padding for western readers. For me it is a Sutra: truth embedded in a phrase.

"Raise self by self, let not the self droop down;
"for self's friend is self indeed, so too is self's enemy. (RC Zaehner, The Bhagavad-Gita 6. 5)

As, who we think we are becomes who we really are: reuniting @Canacan = becoming whole = state of bliss = Orgasmic. It is perhaps the orgasmic energy that give the joy of wholeness. Zaehner creates his own word "Enstacy" the burst of joy travelling inward rather than outward as in ecstasy.
- isvara, has dropped a cog, ah well, this too shall pass!

Love is both a noun and a verb. Love is a word that is freighted with energy that causes the union of bodies and souls. We feel this energy when we love someone, that longing, that ache. We all have felt it.

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@BigGlansDC
Did you confuse this with another thread? LOL

No, @Canacan. LOL 😉

I had been wrong earlier in my journey by trying to fuuck myself... How limited, ugly, tensed and stupid that was!... Loving and mating is so much more.

A lot of references to romantic love and tantric and taoist practices. At the moment I'm reading this book by James Clavell 'Tai Pan' all these differences between east and west. One of them was that the Chinese (didn't?) don't have a word for the concept of romantic love like in the west. They also had many wives etc, ironic....
There is of course the yin and the yang energies and that's what the mating really seems about.
So homosexuals(according to the taoists) don't get the full benefit of the erotic practice coz they don't get the yin/earth energy
It seemes even if there's 'love' in homosexual relationships it's completely irrelevant to taoist thought.
So it seems to be more about exchanging yin and yang energy, love is completely irrelevant(nonexistent) to the Chinese.
As a westerner the belief in love does make it tangible.
So like horoscopes in a way, belief makes it real and it has real effects on body and psyche. Without the belief it doesn´t exist
I´d like to believe, but in my case it´s probably better to delude myself with other things. What´s certainly the case is that belief is ´welly´ powerful

Perhaps romantic love for the masses is one thing that the West offers to the evolution of human kind. Sure it is over done. The relative safety and wealth has enable most people to form more secure relationships that in turn has allowed romantic love to flourish. It pushes 'love' beyond the need base. In the east punitive measures still exist to discourage romantic love.

Love existed in humans all over the globe long before the invention of romantic love. Let's not confuse the two.

My point was that romantic love adds a dynamic to love. Building on what @ehm noted that "believing makes it real". That expressing a belief reinforces the belief etc.. So I am suggesting that western romantic love adds an energy to love, gives it life, makes it more real, increases its opportunities but as in most things increases the risk of abuse. So in loving myself if I add expressive words, reinforce belief, then my love of self takes on a reality that was not there before. (Candles and anointing with oil). My earlier quote from the Bhagavad Gita is very remote but lacks liveliness, but when I add a degree of romantic love I can apply it and enjoy love of the self that I think I am and become more of who I really am.
I am just searching for that which is beyond words.

@isvara
Your quote was truely great.
It's this romantic thing I don't see you going very far with. It lacks simplicity and truth. I think one better finds some truth in oneself by experience than in concepts, cultivating beliefs and stage plays.

It seems to me beliefs work wonders with arousal, vizualisation and pleasure... Less with insight and self devellopement (if at all).

@canacan, I think it is a word meaning difference. Perhaps "romantic" isn't the correct word. Perhaps devotion may be better. Love that is dynamic. I do not want to use the word emotional as that lacks substance. So I will not persist.

@isvara I like the word emotional in this context. Was mainly disagreeing on the cultural narrowing aspect. To each one what helps him. I didn't mean to criticize (really wouldn't make any sense).

@Canacan...yes I'm late to the party. What you said about loving yourself does speak of finding God's love. I'm not a typical person when it comes to spirituality. I dont believe in religion (the practices and rituals of a particular faith), there are lots of reason why I dont believe in them lots of it has to do with my culture but thats not for here...if you are curious send me a message. In my life I speak to God directly. I dont need some "prophet" or person to interpret things for me. I just ask God. So in conversing with God he's let me know that the love He as for you dwells within you. Tapping into that is tapping into him and all the abundance that he offers...and yes it is NOT bad, honestly I think that is what MOST people I know lack. They dont love themselves completely, thus it bleeds over into EVERY aspect of their lives. Love is positive...however when people act out of fear that is a complete contradiction to LOVE. When one is afraid to do or say something its fear...that is NOT Godly.

The thing that comes to mind most is all these people who are in and continue to be in shitty relationships...and they do it (when it all boils down) because of fear, and a lack of self love. What you want in your life is important...once you realize that you are not a bad person for wanting those things and going after them...that is a TRUE manifestation of self love. Also LOVE and chaos do not coexist well together. Thus once dwelling in a mindstate of love you will take on a peaceful vibe...thus being in peace with all and everything around you. I'm not saying I'm a monk I'm not i get pissed like the next person...however my episodes of that are FAR less than they used to be. However I constantly work to stay in a mindset of I love myself, that mindset feels good to me and the negative mindsets dont...I like to feel good...I mean i'm on the Aneros site right???

Food for thought and tip for those who struggle with being loving and happy...does angry/pissed off/sad etc feel good to you??? If it does seek medical help, most people report that negative emotions to not feel good....so why go there??? Why dwell in it??? When you feel yourself getting to a point negativity (the opposite of love), do your best to find a mantra or focus on something that makes you feel happy or pleasant and get out of that mood as quickly as possible. Also remember negative people around you will bring you into negativity, a negative person that has NO desire to stop feeling that way will take a toll on you...get rid of ALL people who are like that in your life...it doesnt matter who it is. Hell i'd rid myself of my own mama if i need to (its happened...shes more positive now after i let her know i WILL NOT let her negativity bleed over into my life).

@devajones, astounding and spot on, I just did not expect this. ...... .

@devajones Thank you... You don't disapoimt.

Do you believe in love at first sight?

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Very interesting information. I want to add that we very often confuse attraction to a person that arises immediately after meeting, and then when the euphoria passes and reality begins, we understand that we are far from love. So it is when communicating on a dating site. You communicate, you meet and everything is fine, but when you try to build relationships, it turns out that you are different people. I am registered on FuckSwіpe. There is a review on https://hookupmasters.com/adult-dating-sites/fuckswipe-review/  This is a dating site with a good reputation and offers from men are constantly received, but I'm afraid to fall in love so that I don't get disappointed later, and at the moment I'm limited to online communication. But maybe everything will be different for you. Try it.