Leaving

Sorry your leaving and thank you for giving me great advice. Good luck to you.

Didnt get to know you very well, but sorry to see you go, good luck with all your journeys

Quick reply in this...
I'm considering that perhaps I acted rashly. Questionable situation. I'm not going to go into more detail. Will not be leaving for the moment.

What I've noticed man is that you always go the "this isn't working!" mindset. Just take your time and think to yourself "well that wasn't so bad I'll try again in a few days and have time to reflect." Nobody learned anything while they were frustrated. Lighten up! You got all the time in the world.

And if you didnt find aneros atleast slightly enjoyable, you wouldn't have stuck around for so long. Maybe thats something to think about. Why do I keep doing this if it isn't 'working?'

@Tatornator is right; positive thoughts and attitude brings positive results. @lonewolf8 try to stay positive; if you think it will fail, it will. Enjoy what you have as so many men do not even know these pleasures (however small) exist.
Glad you are staying the course. Good vibes and yes, life is wonderful!

What I've noticed man is that you always go the "this isn't working!" mindset. Just take your time and think to yourself "well that wasn't so bad I'll try again in a few days and have time to reflect." Nobody learned anything while they were frustrated. Lighten up! You got all the time in the world.

It's not possible for me to say it is working, because I just dont know what it is like when it is working, so I can only say it doesnt work.
If I said "wow this is working", then I would be lying to myself and others here.
If I stay silent (after last night's problem, I had considered just using aneros in secret, all alone), then I will never get advice and help, and would never progress.

Edit: It's not that a session itself is "bad"; usually nothing really happens other than my bladder filling up super-quick and needing to run to the toilet 3-6 times. During a session I try to keep an open mind and stay neutral and try to keep myself aroused. But between sessions I reflect and just don't see any progress, and that's when I usually post on the forum, and I think that's when people see me being negative.

And if you didnt find aneros atleast slightly enjoyable, you wouldn't have stuck around for so long. Maybe thats something to think about. Why do I keep doing this if it isn't 'working?'

Because of hope. I heard it takes a long time to rewire, perhaps the next session will be the start of something good.
Elsewhere I had written about ocasional non-pleasurable involuntaries and non-pleasurable vibration/quivering, and when I get this I also latch onto that hope. But hope's still hope.

Anyway, this is all non-relevant to the issue at hand of this thread.

It occurred to me that your sudden 'bladder fills' might be related to your weight complaint and the possibility that you have a combination of foods or meds that are natural diuretics. Here are a few that popped up to a Google search:

Top Seven Natural Diuretics

• Dandelion. To some, the dandelion is just a weed. ...
• Hawthorn. This relative of the rose family is a powerful diuretic. ...
• Horsetail. A 2014 study found that horsetail extract had the same effects as prescription diuretics, with fewer side effects. ...
• Juniper. ...
• Green and Black Tea. ...
• Parsley. ...
• Hibiscus.

Last week you were commenting on some excess weight. Perhaps you are storing fluid in that tissue. Then, something (like the lube you are using) acts as a diuretic and your kidney's respond.

take care guy.... Rook.

@rook
Very interesting post.

I've had a look at your list of the diuretics and for each of them I ether do not consume at all or may possibly consume in trace amounts.

I do drink at least one coffee per day, with an upper bound of 3 cups, but almost never past 5 PM, and coffee or caffeine is a known diuretic.
It's entirely possible that I am storing excess water. I sometimes try to keep hydrated but I am not measuring my water intake so I don't know if it's excessive or not - this usually occurs while I am at work, with water intake in the evening usually reduced.

Oddly enough, in the last 1 hour or so, with the Helix Syn and then for most of the current session with the MGX, I've not had to go to the toilet.
Perhaps I drank less today.

See, maybe your on to something, have faith and good things will happen

Progress doesn't halt or go away when you stop, at least not for me.
When I feel like a depressed piece of shit nothing really works. I have stopped doing Aneros play for months before and probably will do so again in the future. But just like playing guitar, sometimes you will actually progress when not practicing. Especially with muscle memory, brain wiring stuff. I swear to you that I have learned certain chords by giving up and not playing them anymore for a good while.

When learning a chord you can't tell your brain where individual fingers need to go. It has to grasp the entire thing and just do it without any mental effort on my part. When you start thinking about it, you will actually fuck up the next one or your singing.
Learning things like that is always shitty because it's not done by the rational mind. Just like you don't have to think about walking.

When I start again, I sometimes have to ease into it and it will take a couple of days to 'wake shit up'. Sometimes it's explosive right from the get go because I have sensed correctly that my mood, body or whatever is right for it again.

I love chicken, but after eating it twice a day because of fitness I couldn't stand it anymore for a couple of months. It's normal to get burned out, it's also easy to fix it by stepping away and just doing other stuff. If you can't see the solution it will only frustrate you. Just take comfort in the fact that your body can deal with these things without your direct involvement.

So a break could actually make things better. If not, I doubt that it will be any worse.

I also got a story about urination that might apply:

Years ago I started taking these meds, that as a side effect completely severed the connection between my brain and bladder.
At first I literary peed all over my stairs while walking down in the morning to take a leak. I was like a child that is potty training. I could not for the life of me feel my bladder at all and would just go at random times.

a week later I had regained control somewhat and could use the toilet like a proper adult but at night I woke up like 3-4 times. My brain would register a full bladder when it was only a quarter or half full. So I peed a lot during that period.

I was also holding water in my body so I had to elevate my legs for periods of time and it was pretty much a mess with my whole body.
Also for those that don't know: Your body holds water when you drink too little, not too much. You actually remedy this by drinking a lot. It's a survival mechanism your body has for times of no water. Just like some animals have (like a camel). So please don't stop drinking water in the hope that you are doing good.
After months (close to half a year) my brain-bladder connection was full strengt again. (still on the meds, for years now)

So... when I started using the Aneros I had this problem where I would take a leak before I started but my bladder would fill up with clear liquid. At first, I thought it was my brain misfiring again, but my bladder was actually full and after urinating it would just refill again when I continued my session.
I just assumed it was because of the meds. Never did I think that I could do anything about it so I just endured it. Going to the toilet in the middle of a session every time.
Because it kept happening in the middle of something nice I think I started to associate the feeling of pressure on my bladder with just pleasure. I kept getting annoyed by it less and less; eventually, it went away.

I am now at a place where I can have long ass sessions where I go to the bathroom at a natural stopping point or when I'm done. I'm always surprised by a violent stream after a long session thinking: how did I not feel that?

It should be easy to tell if your body holds water or not. It will first be noticeable in your joints. Even before you get puffy feet or any of that stuff. Your joint's get stiff and floaty first. How does walking up some stairs feel? Could you run up or is it better to hold yourself? If you get it bad it will feel like walking under water. There is a lot of resistance that shouldn't be there.
If your not holding water I think it's your brain that has trouble processing what is going on down there. And you cant even blame it. I mean, if your not sticking things up the backside what else is putting pressure on your bladder? For years the feeling has ment that you need to go asap. Your brain will learn though. It's just a very slow and stubborn organ.

The filling of the bladder for no reason is a mystery to me though. I have no idea why I had that and why I don't have it anymore. Maybe it's similar to girls that can squirt? Like, do these porn girls drink a 2 liter bottle of water between takes or do they just fill up between orgasms?

@Mitaru
Thanks for that lovely reply, I do agree with it.
I have read on here that rewiring can reverse and a person can lose their ability if away from Aneros for a long enough time. That's why I mentioned it.
The reason for this thread was due to someone's advice to stop, and they indicated that there was an element of danger involved if I continued without focusing on mental aspects instead of the physical stimulation.

@Mitaru
Thanks for that lovely reply, I do agree with it.
I have read on here that rewiring can reverse and a person can lose their ability if away from Aneros for a long enough time. That's why I mentioned it.
The reason for this thread was due to someone's advice to stop, and they indicated that there was an element of danger involved if I continued without focusing on mental aspects instead of the physical stimulation.

No one should say that to you. It also makes no sense. How do you engage in any sexual activity without a mental component? You couldn't do that even if you tried.

Oh I would think it would involve mental component related to ancient eastern thought. That sort of thing. Stuff that's not as widely accepted in the western world.

Well, In that case I would advice you to wear woolen socks while standing on one leg in front of a Buddha statue.

But honestly. I love mediation and to me it is a wellness device as well so I get all that. I would advice you to take that approach if you like such a thing but would not force it on anyone. Nor do I think it's needed or the only way.

As with anything on this forum. The majority doesn't work for me or doesn't even ring a bell. That's fine. Just like general advice ppl give during life. Most is well meant but you have to filter through the bullshit.

See, maybe your on to something, have faith and good things will happen

I agree, depression is the hardest wall to get past for my success.

I have not read your previous posts, so I don't know much about what methods you have tried so far. The following are the experiences I can share.

Lube:
Many lubes (especially water based) can seriously "turn off" arousal or even trigger bowel movement. In my experiences, the only lube that does not have this "turn off" effect is non-organic" 100% shea butter.

Device:
Each device has its unique features that experienced users learned how to utilize and enjoy, but they can be huge distractions or can even trigger discomfort for those who are still experimenting. For example, the hard plastic P-tabs, the ribbings on MGX, larger head and prostate contact area of Helix, etc. One may need to try many devices before finding one that works. For me, that was the Peridise. It helped me to locate my prostate and learn how to intentionally induce involuntaries, and "prepared" me to enjoy other devices.

Mental arousal + mental awareness + mental relaxation + physical arousal + physical relaxation:
My method and criteria is the following.
"Take shower before sleep, and be sure to wake up by super hard morning woods after a good night sleep, start a session right after peeing without douching."

Taking shower before sleep relaxes all muscle and cleans up everything down there.
Waking up after a good night sleep ensures mental awareness, mental and physical relaxation.
At this time, bowel movement has not started, and anal canal is clean so douching is not even needed.
Simple cleaning with wet wipes is enough.
No douching means no extra irritation to the anal canal, and no need to take a recovery time hit.

Peeing ensures an empty bladder, so one can tell the brain that the urination feeling during session is a pleasure.

Waking up by a super hard morning wood is a good indication of physical well being, physical and mental arousal.
If I don't get wake up by a super hard morning wood, if I feel some bowel movement has already started, or wake up tired, I don't even bother to start a session.

Most users have their own preferences and rituals. One just needs to keep experimenting until finding the correct combination(s). It is a time consuming process, but the return is worth the time and effort.

Hey @lonewolf8 do you prelube? As in injecting lubricantas well as lube up your aneros model and anus. Thats way you dont have to relube.

Hey @lonewolf8 do you prelube? As in injecting lubricantas well as lube up your aneros model and anus. Thats way you dont have to relube.

Nope, I don't pre-lube.
I don't have a prelube lubricator.

But with my lube combination, I seem to be adequately lubed up.

I have not read your previous posts, so I don't know much about what methods you have tried so far. The following are the experiences I can share.

Lube:
Many lubes (especially water based) can seriously "turn off" arousal or even trigger bowel movement. In my experiences, the only lube that does not have this "turn off" effect is non-organic" 100% shea butter.

Funny thing shea butter 🙂
I bought a large tub of it in 2015 for Aneros use. It didn't feel all that great. The consistency from the tub was "grainy" and greasy. Only once melted did it become very slippery. So when I coated the Helix Syn with it, inserting was difficult - the grainyness felt like I was pushing sand up my hole, and as I struggled to insert, a lot of the shea butter slid down the Helix. It was amusingly frustrating. So I tried making a ball out of the shea butter and inserting that quickly. This too became a nightmare: I would end up with the ball of shea disintegrating in my hand while I was trying to push it in me and I would just get 95% of the ball melted on my hand and hardly any in my hole 😀
The times I did succeed, it gave me a feeling that I had to poo, so I thought it's probably gas, so I went to the toilet and removed the Helix and attempted to pass wind over the toilet only to find that most of the melted shea squirted into the toilet bowl! 😀
Then to my horror, it wouldn't flush! It had solidified onto to bowl due to the coldness of the toilet bowl. Haha I had to get some TP and scrape if off and put in the bin.
I did try using it as lube when jacking off, but also the grainy feel put me off.
I ended up throwing the tub of shea butter in the trash.

Device:
Each device has its unique features that experienced users learned how to utilize and enjoy, but they can be huge distractions or can even trigger discomfort for those who are still experimenting. For example, the hard plastic P-tabs, the ribbings on MGX, larger head and prostate contact area of Helix, etc. One may need to try many devices before finding one that works. For me, that was the Peridise. It helped me to locate my prostate and learn how to intentionally induce involuntaries, and "prepared" me to enjoy other devices.

Hmm, never noticed that about the Helix - doesnt seem to have a large prostate contact area.
I also don't notice the MGX ribbings. But heck do I notice the p-tab on the MGX. I made a thread the other day about it cutting my perenium and getting a bit of blood.
I have the Peridise but I never know what's happening with it. May have gotten some peristaltic action a few times but I dont think it does anything to the prostate anyway - it's not marketed for that.
The Progasm Ice feels harsh to my insides. It's much smaller compared to the dildos and butt plugs I've used years ago, but those were Jelly PVC, thus they had flex to them. The Progasm is hard plastic, so very unforgiving to your insides.

Mental arousal + mental awareness + mental relaxation + physical arousal + physical relaxation:
My method and criteria is the following.
"Take shower before sleep, and be sure to wake up by super hard morning woods after a good night sleep, start a session right after peeing without douching."

Mental stuff is probably where I need to work a lot on.

Taking shower before sleep relaxes all muscle and cleans up everything down there.

I always shower in the morning, but maybe 33% to 50% of the time I would also shower before bed.

Waking up after a good night sleep ensures mental awareness, mental and physical relaxation.

Doesn't happen often.

At this time, bowel movement has not started, and anal canal is clean so douching is not even needed.
Simple cleaning with wet wipes is enough.
No douching means no extra irritation to the anal canal, and no need to take a recovery time hit.

Hmm, morning is when I usually need to have a movement.

Peeing ensures an empty bladder, so one can tell the brain that the urination feeling during session is a pleasure.

"Brain, take note, I'm peeing which is a normal activity." how is that pleasurable?

Waking up by a super hard morning wood is a good indication of physical well being, physical and mental arousal.
If I don't get wake up by a super hard morning wood, if I feel some bowel movement has already started, or wake up tired, I don't even bother to start a session.

I almost always don't get morning wood.

One of the shea butter bottles I bought was also grainy, exactly like you described, pushing send into arse...ouch.
Just try a different brand that is smooth.

The main benefit of Peridise is that it helps one to learn "anal involuntaries" without the distractions from prostate or perinum.
Due to its simple design, it doesn't "lock" onto the body like other Aneros device do.
After learning the "anal involuntaries", the anal muscle also remembers the location of the prostate, and move the Peridise to that spot automatically.

I wasn't talking about peeing during a session.
I was talking about the peeing-like sensation one may get before mini-O or super-O.
When that sensation comes and the bladder is already empty, one can tell the brain
"Brain, dont' worry, it is NOT pee. You won't pee on the bed. That is a good feeling so keep going..."

A few question:
* Do you often have feelings of lack of energy or low self esteem?
* Do you feel that you have loss of muscle mass and increase in body fat?
If your answer to any of those questions is Yes, you may want to consider getting a blood test and seeing a doctor to check on your Testosterone level.
If you happen to live in an area where you don't get much sunlight, you may want to check on 25OHD level (a Vitamin D test) also.
There was a period of time when I could not get any morning wood, and I found my Testosterone and 25OHD were both at alarmingly low level.
After bringing those two levels back to normal range with mostly natural foods and enough exposure to sun light, I was able to have super hard morning woods again.

One of the shea butter bottles I bought was also grainy, exactly like you described, pushing send into arse...ouch.
Just try a different brand that is smooth.

I see no reason to try shea again. It didnt work well, no point wasting time and money on something that doesnt work.

The main benefit of Peridise is that it helps one to learn "anal involuntaries" without the distractions from prostate or perinum.
Due to its simple design, it doesn't "lock" onto the body like other Aneros device do.

I guess...

After learning the "anal involuntaries", the anal muscle also remembers the location of the prostate, and move the Peridise to that spot automatically.

Not sure that I believe that.
If the prostate is not involved, then how will it move it to the prostate spot, and why would you even feel it if prostate is not involved with Peridise?

I wasn't talking about peeing during a session.
I was talking about the peeing-like sensation one may get before mini-O or super-O.
When that sensation comes and the bladder is already empty, one can tell the brain
"Brain, dont' worry, it is NOT pee. You won't pee on the bed. That is a good feeling so keep going..."

I've never had a mini-O nor a super-O nor a dry-O, so no idea about this pee feeling in that situation.
When I do get the pee sensation, then I do have to go to the toilet and pee flows out.
There is no other situation when I get the pee feeling.

A few question:
* Do you often have feelings of lack of energy or low self esteem?

Possibly.

* Do you feel that you have loss of muscle mass and increase in body fat?

No and yes, in that order.

If your answer to any of those questions is Yes, you may want to consider getting a blood test and seeing a doctor to check on your Testosterone level.
If you happen to live in an area where you don't get much sunlight, you may want to check on 25OHD level (a Vitamin D test) also.
There was a period of time when I could not get any morning wood, and I found my Testosterone and 25OHD were both at alarmingly low level.
After bringing those two levels back to normal range with mostly natural foods and enough exposure to sun light, I was able to have super hard morning woods again.

I take vitamin D tablets.
I have taken a blood test and am waiting for the results, but I don't know if a 250HD or a Testosterone test was carried out.

Goodbye. Good to put Aneros away. I too was using Aneros a lot before and less sex with my wife. Always having guilty feeling of sinning against God because as Christian, our belief is our body is holy temple of God and self abuse is clearly wrong. After putting Aneros a side for two months, I now enjoy great natural sex with my wife and most important my conscience is clear. The amount of time I spend playing with Aneros is now better spend reading God's word.

@japnchan I really don't give a damn about the "God's Word".

I'll be honest, lonewolf8, I haven't read this entire thread but you're obviously struggling with prostate play. I'm by no means an expert, going through many dry spells myself, but I'm most successful in a session if I'm aroused but not interested in traditional masturbation.

I will sometimes watch videos or pictures of "female friendly" porn, often with nipple stim, to get into the mood before a session and generate "warmth" in the prostate area. I'm also OCD, so if I get chores done, am not stressed at work, get exercise (very important - this helps build the warmth and tires me out enough to not want to masturbate traditionally), then I find I can really enjoy the session.

If I focus too much on a dedicated aneros "session", I'm almost definitely going to have a dud.

I think you ahould definantly invest in a lube injector and make your own coco/shea/beeswax lubricant to coat your aneros itself. That stuff wont slide off lol. Use more coco than shea and more shea than wax. Very little wax or cleanup becomes impossible. Also have you thought about taking some anti gas medication before a session? and try just not susing the restroom during a sezsion and suffer it. You'll forget about needing to urinate in the moment.

I think you ahould definantly invest in a lube injector and make your own coco/shea/beeswax lubricant to coat your aneros itself. That stuff wont slide off lol. Use more coco than shea and more shea than wax. Very little wax or cleanup becomes impossible.

I'll look into finding a lube injector from someplace, but I cant guarantee i'd buy it - I think the current lube applciation method is ok.
I am not likely to go back to shea.

Also have you thought about taking some anti gas medication before a session?

No I have not.
I don't always have gas.

and try just not susing the restroom during a sezsion and suffer it. You'll forget about needing to urinate in the moment.

Tried it and it gets uncomfortable. Need to pee feeling increases and destroys my ability to relax. Then I have to run to the toilet.

I will sometimes watch videos or pictures of "female friendly" porn,

I dont watch rough porn.

often with nipple stim,

Sadly nipple stim does nothing to me, as much as I would love for it to.

to get into the mood before a session and generate "warmth" in
the prostate area. I'm also OCD, so if I get chores done, am not stressed at work, get exercise (very important - this helps build the warmth and tires me out enough to not want to masturbate traditionally), then I find I can really enjoy the session.

Cool.

If I focus too much on a dedicated aneros "session", I'm almost definitely going to have a dud.

Well all mine except maybe one the other week are duds, whether I have a dedicated session or not.

@lonewolf8 re: nipple stim, it did nothing for me either, however now it does. What i had to do was to associate nipple stim with my prostate, so i continued to do stim with my sessions until they become synced together. After while it almost feels like im touching my prostate when i touch my nipples.

I still find they sort of get overstimulated after a while though, but this has lately been getting better and i can go touching them longer and longer, its all an association thing you need to wire that part of your brain and body together with repitition.

Youre in a vicous cycle now so youre mindset always expects failure, i was there too until i started experimenting (safely of course) with new devices and techniques and now i have made progress, its up and down though sometimes i think ive made a breakthrough and its amazing and then that breakthrough seems to not work any more and it depresses me. The key thing though is to never give up, this is all somehting im passionate about, i see it as a sort of hobby and each session i treat as an experiment, where i try old things as well as new. Just now i tried something someone called a whisper contraction, like a super small contraction, subtle, and it was exciting!

Thats what i need though, excitment of a sexual nature, not just arousal in order to make progress and i also need an erection, which tbh really makes me pissed off. Its so distracting but i feel NOTHING without a hard penis. It makes me wanna slap those here upside the head that can get feelings without a stiffy.

Weirdly during my aless sessions i never had a hard cock and i can feel SO much from them.

I recall a session i had recently that ive only managed to repeeat once since and never again; sitting on the couch, no aneros watching porn and tensing my cock with my aneros, like a tug of war, some occasional holding contractions and nipple stim. I was able to go over the edge and feel a very lovely orgasm, to my great surprise! I was able to repeat this around 4-5 times, its hard work though and i have to be super aroused, which is almost never :S