Kundalini & Aneros: a genuine meditation state?

Does Kundalini actually exist?

I guess anyone that responds would be a proponent / believer. But I can't help but think Kundalini is in the same bucket as Auras, Tarrot, Star Signs etc. Just mumbo-jumbo.

I am sure others have referered to some books, but I find it hard to believe in such things as the authors of the books are into it and who knows if they are trying to sell a scam.

If anyone knows of any scientific research from a peer reviewed journal on this, I might read and be tempted to accept it. But as of yet, I just can't seem to accept it.

Aneros and Kundalini:

What does the company know?
What do experienced users suspect, believe or experience?
Is Aneros a yoga prop for opening the central channel of the energy body?
Do key instructions for Kundalini process match the soft belly breathing and the right amount of pubo-coccygeus, pelvic floor lift and anal sphincter squeeze of Aneros user instructions?
Is the central canal of the spinal cord and its pathway to the fourth ventricle of the brain, the cerebral aqueduct, the third ventricle of the brain, the lateral ventricles, the pineal gland, pituitary, the endorphin-producing cell layers, and the brain's germinal cell layer... part of the Aneros experience ... and part of the Kundalini process?

Not understanding fully the depth of the question, I still believe I can say Yes! I feel that a prostate orgasm is a trip through each of the chakra zones. I can't prove or really care what a scientific study might reveal, I know what I am experiencing and it works for me. Your references to the glandular aspect of the experience coincide with my belief that one's endocrine system is really giving it a go during a super-o and one is sensitive enough and has the ability to detect and enjoy it.

There is a bias, too, on Eastern approaches to the body and medicine. Which helps to explain the limited exploration of,the topic.

Aneros and Kundalini:

What does the company know?
What do experienced users suspect, believe or experience?
Is Aneros a yoga prop for opening the central channel of the energy body?
Do key instructions for Kundalini process match the soft belly breathing and the right amount of pubo-coccygeus, pelvic floor lift and anal sphincter squeeze of Aneros user instructions?
Is the central canal of the spinal cord and its pathway to the fourth ventricle of the brain, the cerebral aqueduct, the third ventricle of the brain, the lateral ventricles, the pineal gland, pituitary, the endorphin-producing cell layers, and the brain's germinal cell layer... part of the Aneros experience ... and part of the Kundalini process?

Not understanding fully the depth of the question, I still believe I can say Yes! I feel that a prostate orgasm is a trip through each of the chakra zones. I can't prove or really care what a scientific study might reveal, I know what I am experiencing and it works for me. Your references to the glandular aspect of the experience coincide with my belief that one's endocrine system is really giving it a go during a super-o and one is sensitive enough and has the ability to detect and enjoy it
There is a bias, too, on Eastern approaches to the body and medicine which helps to explain the limited exploration of the topic.

I am convinced that the multiple orgasm state is a genuine meditative state and that the breathing techniques required to achieve and continue the multi-orgasmic state are identical to those used in Hatha yoga which primarily stimulate the vagus nerve. There also seems to be a link to the pineal gland and some of the nasal breathing techniques one has to adopt I think stimulate this gland (again similar to many yoga methods).

Does it stimulate Kundalini energy? Without a doubt yes. What is Kundalini? I haven't got a clue. Can it cause a Kundalini Syndrome? Absolutely yes from personal experience.

It certainly stimulates the root chakra. Whether it opens the central channel I think is an individual thing but in some circumstances I think it can contribute to opening it.

I'm not sure, without googling, what the rest of your questions refer to but I suspect the answers are all positive.

@lonewolf8 there's not much 'scientific' study of any of this, who would fund such study? I don't think you are going to find any evidence for much of it. I think this is all quite real (chakras/kundalini etc) it's just that we won't understand what it is in scientific terms for possibly hundreds of years yet. it doesn't mean that it's all rubbish. Look at all the recent research on the vagus nerve - I think that has a lot to do with it.

Kundalini madness...

To be honest, and a little frank, with you...if it feels good without any adverse effects keep on doing it. I'm not looking for a way to enter and be at one with my own mystic navel. I just want to take a break from the day to day and experience pleasure.

And before you question what I just said, I studied showaddywaddy tantra for 5 years.

After experiencing a Kundalini Syndrome you become a believer. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy multiple orgasms for what they are though.

Aneros seems like a genuine meditation experience to me. It is a wordless state of absorption into bliss that expands awareness, leads towards new understandings, and can be rather extended. It changes one's perception of the body, creating an inner immensity of space and an increased identification with an energy experience.

The soft belly-breathing instructions and the relatively gentle anal ring engagement instructions match the kundalini instructions I received. As soon as the technique leads into a spontaneous shift of inner sensation and perception ... let the technique go and experience; that, too, is the same instruction.

Aneros is a yoga/pranayama/mulabandha tantric kundalini prop. It helps one have the right muscular actions and body physiology to achieve a shift in experience.

To get an idea of the overlap of Aneros and Kundalini try using the vibrations of the four petals of the root chakra during a session:

"Vum Vum Vum Vum."

"Zum Zum Zum Zum"

"Shum Shum Shum Shum"

"Sum Sum Sum Sum?

Aneros acts like an amplifier

@Manipura thank you for your observations they correlate very much with my thoughts, although you seem to know very much more about this topic than I do. The similarities between aneros and different yoga practices are interesting, and I think the benefits are also similar.

I am surprised that you have not had more comments on this thread.

One thing I have always wondered, and you might have some insight on this, is how similar is the multiple orgasm to the state of first jhana? It is something I have yet to experience but from my reading about it there are many similarities.

The multiple orgasm state keeps the mind fairly passive and quiet - just being filled with what seems to be an inexhaustible source of pleasure. Aneros tends to overcome the problems of understimulation and overstimulation from the external genital and a partner's excitement . My guess and reading suggests that circumcision removes up to 70% of the natural sensations and pleasure of a foreskin - so a large number of us may be dealing with understimulation.

Medical thinking used to be that nipple, mouth, anus, prostate were "secondary" erogenous zones; but Aneros changes that because the pleasure sensations spread to the whole body so readily and build to a higher and higher intensity.

My kundalini training came long before Aneros so I was used to experiencing my partner's orgasm, feeling energy surges when our spines were aligned, being able to go over the edge without ejaculating, and staying in a plateau state for a couple of hours. That's the tantric stuff - the experiential approach to kundalini.

Having a genuine Kundalini teacher who makes sure your central channel is open for a stable rising is unfortunately rare. Even gurus who are widely-recognized and experienced staying in an elevated state and affecting hundreds and thousands of people by their approach and presence... don't seem to bother - or don't know how - to get their followers and devotees to a permanent state. It took 22 years to get to the right guru.

I think Aneros takes people quickly past the first jhana because the absorption in the experience is so profound that the mind doesn't wander.

Tingles and surges of bliss can happen with partial Kundalini rises and risings through the two side channels - the sex/power channel called Vajra, and the art/music/philosophy channel Saraswati. But neither of those are stable.

Spontaneous bliss can happen through what my guru described as balance of the vayus - prana, apana, samana, udana, and vyana. Prana is the movement of the oxygen after the clumsier movement of respiratory inhalation.

Apana is the peristalsis downward wave. Samana is the circular absorption of digestion products from the small intestine and the flow of blood up into the liver that creates a sort of ferris wheel movement of the circulation- drawing blood up from the legs back to the heart - that the Chinese call the "miraculous pivot."

Udana is a spiral movement from the neck to the head - a key of the enlightenment urge and process. Vyana is the cranio-sacral movement that rocks and pervades the whole body. I think all of these are part of the Aneros experience. All these movements arrive at the ring-and-cylinder of contact with the Aneros device and reflect out into ripples that amplify and pass through the other patterns.

Kriya - spontaneous movements - in Kundalini process usually come on with a startling intensity, a rush of tingling bliss, and then a total silence in a frozen posture with a long breath cessation. In Kundalini theory these movements and experiences are working to open subtle body channels, heal old injuries, or open new brain centers.

But I think the spontaneous movement with Aneros, the breath cessation, the repeated loss of word-thinking, and the still postures and uncontrolled thrusting and arching are part of the same phenomenon.

Our kundalini guru taught that a fair number of brain centers can be opened without the central channel opening. I think the "rewiring" that Aneros users describe has to involve changes in the brain.

The receipt in the box tells me I'm two months into Aneros experience; I've lost track of the time. I ordered Helix Classic and Progasm Ice after listening to a video about the Helix Classic wobble - which turned out to be true for me.

I can "see" the nerve pathways that descend from the front of the spinal column inside the hollow of the bottom of the chest... down to the pelvis floor and pelvis organs. I've studied a lot of anatomy and osteopathic visceral therapy to be able to generate imagery when I'm working - but before Aneros I did not have clear pictures of what was going on inside of me.

If you are lucky enough to have an astrologically matched partner who has gone through kundalini rising to stability with you ... sexual pleasure, plateaus, and subtlety of interactive experience goes up about a hundred-fold. Aneros seems to go from one to a thousand. Pleasure stabilizes the brain and the personality; a bath of pleasure tends to decrease anxiety about the future and remorse about the past.

I suspect that Aneros might prepare people for the Kundalini induction process - by a competent guru. And I suspect Aneros can help people get to stage two of kundalini enlightening - past the third-eye brow experience to completing the healing of the brain and then opening the eye on the top of the head.

The Aneros surge can cover the whole top of the brain, wash down in valleys of the brain, and surge against the skullcap lining of the brain that attaches to the inside of the skull. When the creeping starts back and forth along the midline of the top of the skull and you feel your scalp start to itch... it seems that the observatory roof mechanism is about to open up for pineal eye ... and that the whole brain itself is an eyeball. That seems to me to be an interactive product - a multiplication of Aneros and Kundalini.

I wish Kundalini could be accessible for all interested Aneros users.

Our guru warned that "wrong sex" could divert or delay people pursuing liberation and steady-sense-of-oneness-without-separation. And wrong sex meant anal sex. What I can see thus far suggests that losing anal sphincter tone could interfere with the ability to gather energy through soft belly breathing when the pubococcygeus and sphincter rings are engaged.

Aneros seems to guard against that by its focus on stengthening the rings, core and floor. Even fully relaxed there is a natural grip that seems to reassert itself. And Aneros instruction and discussion mentions that, without the device, after some experience, one can find the "one-quarter" sphincter and p-c contraction tone that can induce Aneros experiences without the device.

There is another nadi in the Kundalini Science book (patanjalicare.com) called sankini nadi - that seems to start at the anus and travel up the spine and open out to what looks like the whole body. Sankini nadi lends energy to get into Sushumna nadi, the big easy central nadi that leads to stable rising. Maybe it is Sankini, and not just Vajra- the orgasm channel - that Aneros promotes development of. From Aneros initial experience... try chanting the Sanskrit petal sounds "Vum Vum Vum" to feel the coccyx come alive and locate the entrance to the central channel in the hollow of the sacrum.

Then try chanting the Sanskrit chakra petal sound "Shum Shum Shum" to feel the cranio-sacral pulse start to surge up the spine and reach the brain. Tell me what you experience.

Wow. I used to think Star Trek had no competition on jargon, but I need to re-evaluate that thought.

So.... the wikipedia page for Kundalini is difficult to follow.

The text above is filled with mumbo-jumbo jargon like "channels" and "third-eye brow".

Is there some nice introduction page (I.e. a beginners guide) somewhere that you know about that explains all this, without back-referencing onto New Age / yoga stuff or without using so many confusing sanskrit terms and doesn't assume you are a yogic master?

Not sure if @Manipura would agree but I found https://formlessart.wordpress.com/free-yoga-manualcourse/ very helpful to understand some of the basics and it's a start. It's not Kundalini, so there's nothing about channels and chakras, but Hatha Yoga with a lot of scientific explanation so it might appeal to you.

I wish I understood all of this as well! Kundalini Yoga is something else!

@smudgefish Thanks for that link! I will be reading some of that tonight.

The wordpress link has a lot of material about yogic practices that are Kundalini-related. It is mostly plagiarized from Swami Vishnu Devananda's 1960 book, The Complete Illustrated Book of Yoga. He came from the Sivananda Yoga lineage centered in Rishikesh, part of the much larger Saraswati monk lineage that my Kundalini guru was also part of.

Swami Sivananda was a physician before he became a yogi and prolific author so his yoga has a medical orientation. Updated from the 1920's to 1960 it is still a simplified view and not based fully on experience or up-to-date scientific research.

But all the instructions for the bandhas - which are important for the controlled breathing work of pranayama which is supposed to lead to Kundalini - is correct. The problem is that the instructions and techniques for opening the correct central channel have been lost, my teacher said sadly, explaining why he came to the United States after so many other teachers had been here over the last hundred years.

This is part of what makes Aneros fun: we might contribute something to the Kundalini community if Aneros turns out to be a good Kundalini prop.

My wife, who consistently guides people's meditation into the central and a safe and stable kundalini rising, says it is a waste of time to try to explain something like this to people who haven't experienced it.

@Manipura thanks for enlightening me about the contents of the link I posted.

Your posts have reminded me of my Kundalini Syndrome - I hope you don't mind me asking but no-one has ever been able to confirm that this is what I experienced. Within a week of starting using the aneros I had a very intense orgasm which went up the front of my body and into my head and I didn't know what was happening, even though it was incredibly pleasant, and when it went into my head I stopped it. Within a few days I became intermittently euphoric, had uncontrollable feelings of 'electricity' shooting through me which were quite frightening, I felt as if I was having some sort of spiritual experience, had immense feelings of love and understanding, even became aware of spirits around me on a few occasions. It took a few weeks to calm down, and I subsequently felt some of my chakras open in quite spectacular ways (difficult to describe unless you actually go through it). I sort of missed it after even though it was very frightening to go through. Afterwards I took a great interest in meditation and personal development, experimented with Buddhism, and it has changed my outlook on life profoundly.
I would be very grateful for your take on it - only if you feel able to comment of course.

My wife, who consistently guides people's meditation into the central and a safe and stable kundalini rising, says it is a waste of time to try to explain something like this to people who haven't experienced it.

Which is one of my problems with this - it's sounding like:
- There's this deep and mystical super thing you can experience.
- Anything you can find online is a waste of time, you have to experience it.
- I know someone that is very good at making you experience it.
- It costs money, but there's no way to prove it works unless you do it.

I suppose in many ways, that sounds exactly like Aneros. But at least with Aneros products, I can speak with other Anerosians who have had success and can learn about the techniques and effects and such.

Regarding Kundalini, there must be something one can do to experience it without paying someone else to guide them... Right? Or at the very least learn more about it in a sensible way rather than just getting lost with jargon and superstition?

@lonewolf8 - I have searched to find answers to all of this and everyone seems to have a different take on Kundalini, I'm not sure anyone REALLY knows what it is all about, at least from reading about it online that's the impression I get.The one thing I have noticed is that is can be very dangerous if approached wrongly, it is a seriously powerful force to awaken and it can wreak havoc with your nervous system if you are not prepared for it. I wasn't looking for it but I had some experience of it by accident and that was enough to warn me off it. I have read accounts of people suffering permanent damage by trying to awaken Kundalini without knowing what they were doing. Sounds a bit dramatic, I haven't got a clue what it is, I'm not sure that many people alive today really have. As for 'proof' I don't need any having experienced it (I think), you are never going to find any scientific proof as such given that it is so rare.

Having said that if you are properly prepared the accounts of people undergoing a true prepared Kundalini awakening are quite spectacular.

Personally I'm sticking to simple meditation and enjoying my multiple orgasms as a separate activity and trying not to trigger another Kundalini Syndrome.

Lonewolf 8 writes:

"Which is one of my problems with this - it's sounding like:
- There's this deep and mystical super thing you can experience.
- Anything you can find online is a waste of time, you have to experience it.
- I know someone that is very good at making you experience it.
- It costs money, but there's no way to prove it works unless you do it.

"I
suppose in many ways, that sounds exactly like Aneros. But at least
with Aneros products, I can speak with other Anerosians who have had
success and can learn about the techniques and effects and such.

"Regarding
Kundalini, there must be something one can do to experience it without
paying someone else to guide them... Right? Or at the very least learn
more about it in a sensible way rather than just getting lost with
jargon and superstition?

Manipura responds:

Thirteen years ago I met a quiet now-82 year-old, totally modest and unknown kundalini guru from Rishikesh who was on a tour of the United States. My wife and I took retreat and got an individualized practice of timed yoga postures, breathing/mudra/mantra combinations which we did about six hours a day under his supervision. He wouldn't say how much direct intervention he did to help us but it was substantial and involved astral and karmic dimensions unknown to us at the time.

Forty-five years after my first yoga class, 35 years after my first
kundalini shaktipat from Muktanana, 25 years after my second kundalini
shaktipat from Anandima and years of daily kundalini mantra recital
along with three times a week Iyengar yoga practice, 28 years after the
start of craniosacral and visceral manipulation osteopathic training,
with16 years of daily hands-on therapy professional practice, 15 years
of tai-chi practice with a traditional Chinese teacher trained in
Taiwan, 38 years after medical school, psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, and
thousands of careful prescription of psychiatric medication..... I
was about as good a beginner as anyone.

At the time he had worked with about 200 Americans - and had succeeded 100% of the time in getting people into Sushumna, the good central channel, and up past the third eye so that people could be stable working in Sahasrara, clearing the brain for the second stage of Kundalini process. We don't know how many people he had worked with in India. He wasn't interested in devotees, having an ashram or anything like that. But he let his American sponsor ( visit kundalinicare.com) take him on tours where they would do a small number of introductory talks on Kundalini Sciene and offer people kundalini assessments before offering the intensive retreat and some episodic ongoing help.

It turns out, of the people that showed up, many people had had a Kundalini arousal - which later settled down. Many people had also had a Kundalini awakening - but nearly everyone ends up in one of the two side channels where people exhaust themselves with up-and-down experiences and can't get through to the crown. A few people have central channel openings and are stuck at the heart, throat or brow. He tried to give the practice away but Americans thought if he wasn't charging money it wasn't the genuine thing and wasn't worth anything. So his sponsor left her clinical practice and started charging a thousand dollars for retreats and created a very small, part-time retreat center.

Without the central channel open all the way to the Crown ... nothing happens, he taught us. So-called chakra meditations don't have lasting effects. He didn't want to make people feel bad; but kundalini is the main power line - and if the circuit breaker has flipped we can't get much done.

My clearing process is 13 years slow. I feel that the blocks in our process didn't happen by chance, that humans are functioning on such a low level collectively that we cannot reliably solve our global problems, and that the more people who can get the central channel open and clear the brain over the next few decades the more likely we will be able to avoid massive extinctions including homo sapiens.

So when I came across Aneros I wondered whether it might become a kundalini prop that might augment the growth rate and give Life a better chance.

I will post a variety of ways to try give some feeling of the dimensions of kundalini experience as developed for me. But I am especially interested in the overlap of aneros and kundalini experiences.

Try chanting the "Vum VVVum VVVum" and see what you feel comes off the device - set into vibration in a way I haven't yet seen other bloggers describe. If you do Vum, Zum, Shum, Sum, the four kundalini petal sounds for the root chakra... what does that do for you?

Try it and tell me.

@Smudgefish writes:

Your posts have reminded me of my Kundalini Syndrome - I hope you don't mind me asking but no-one has ever been able to confirm that this is what I experienced. Within a week of starting using the aneros I had a very intense orgasm which went up the front of my body and into my head and I didn't know what was happening, even though it was incredibly pleasant, and when it went into my head I stopped it. Within a few days I became intermittently euphoric, had uncontrollable feelings of 'electricity' shooting through me which were quite frightening, I felt as if I was having some sort of spiritual experience, had immense feelings of love and understanding, even became aware of spirits around me on a few occasions. It took a few weeks to calm down, and I subsequently felt some of my chakras open in quite spectacular ways (difficult to describe unless you actually go through it). I sort of missed it after even though it was very frightening to go through. Afterwards I took a great interest in meditation and personal development, experimented with Buddhism, and it has changed my outlook on life profoundly.
I would be very grateful for your take on it - only if you feel able to comment of course.

Almost everything you describe here is part of the transformational kundalini phenomenon. Nothing you describe sounds disorganized, dangerous, or pathological; your life changed in a spiritual direction.

My teacher's American sponsor participated in the kundalini emergency network for awhile; but our teacher made it clear repeatedly that vajra channel rising is a kundalini phenomenon and a vajra experience happens at every orgasm. It doesn't usually open brain centers. With the increased intensity and duration of pleasure in the Aneros experience it is likely that more brain centers open and develop; many people on the Aneros blog write about "rewiring". It sounds like dozens of brain centers opened for you and you had blessings come out of the experience and become permanent.

Vajra channel is considered the whole spinal cord and the fluid in the bag around it. One question about your experience might be whether an additional channel opened like saraswati, or the central channel itself - sushumna (or a rare opening into the two special channels more central than that).
I'm sure my teacher would know just from your description.

Does Aneros use sankini nadi (the back channel) to boost the energy which sometimes makes a jump into one of the other channels that is too hot or too electric for it to handle? I don't know the answer to that. I do know that our teacher had us put different cooling herbal oils on the head, around the genitals, in the nose, and all over the body. He gave us silver ash - which seemed cooling - and two saffron petals - which helped keep the nose and volatile pathway open.

Without the head oil we had some powerful head pressures and headaches. Channels trying to open up- and even more flexibility and space between the bones on the left and right side of the head develop. Cooling Ayurvedic oils for the head is something I'd recommend for any Aneros user. Cooling Ayurvedic oils for the genitals also makes sense; I think I remember a Bala and Ashwaganda oil. Cooling Ayurvedic teas and herbs make sense to if you want to be able to moderate the experience.

Thanks again @Manipura, you are the first person to try to make some sense of it for me. Anyone else I have asked (even someone who has had a 'verified' Kundalini Awakening) has just sort of looked blankly at me and not really had a clue. No-one else has even heard of a Kundalini Syndrome. I will read about some of the things you mention.Not sure if has become permanent for me but it has given me an insight.

It is a shame that no-one else, except @lonewolf8, has shown interest in this topic, perhaps it is a bit 'way out' for most people. In reality the personal commitment required to explore Kundalini is way beyond what most people would be be prepared to undertake, and finding a competent teacher is no easy task as you have found.

I'm not sure how you could take this any further.

One thing I would say is that I no longer use the aneros but a combination of techniques for achieving multiple orgasms, Aneros is one of many routes and a good 'trainer'. I am sure that all techniques have the potential for assisting spiritual/Kundalini development. Perhaps you could start your own forum for discussing the spiritual aspects of multiple orgasm in general, or ask someone who already runs a forum to give you a board devoted to this? I would certainly be interested in that, and could help you set it up.

@smudgefish, I have been extremely interested in this thread, but so far behind the main players I have had no sensibly comment or question. I have downloaded the PDF Accidental Yoga for study. My path is slightly different but there are many crossovers. I am aware that I am being paced (grrr) so at not to be distracted from my task, but I am being given tidbits mainly when I am partly asleep to keep me interested. I am also interested in the crossover between Aneros use and personal meditation and spiritual growth. I also feel that there is great benefit and well being derived from the indirect stimulation of the base chakra which is our life's foundation. There you see I am interested 🙂

A spiritual life isn't for everyone.

@theplaything indeed not, in fact I am sure 98-99% of the general population would think it was on a par with believing in Father Christmas and fairies, but there you go.

I was just thinking what is a 'spiritual life'? I wouldn't say I have a particularly spiritual life, just an interest in meditation and a belief in something else greater than what we see in front of us, that maybe everything isn't exactly as it seems, and I'm not very materialistic. Maybe even a belief that this life is one of many (Buddhist thinking) and that we have lessons to learn in each life, a bit controversial maybe. The opposite of spiritual I would say is materialism, something that is very prevalent in this day and age; maybe if people weren't quite so materialistic and frightened of death, call it more 'spiritual' if you like, we would live in a better world. Just my thought for the day.

@isvara I think you know more about this than I do.

It is a shame that no-one else, except @lonewolf8, has shown interest in this topic, perhaps it is a bit 'way out' for most people. In reality the personal commitment required to explore Kundalini is way beyond what most people would be be prepared to undertake, and finding a competent teacher is no easy task as you have found.

I'm with @isvara on that one.. it actually is interesting, but the thread blew up quite fast (a wall of text is often discouraging) and there was nothing to ask for me, since I'm not so familiar with this topic. (Plus I didn't like the style of first post full of rhetoric question. Btw, did @Manipura edited the first post or am I missing something?)

Anyway, I've read a vanilla style tantra book recently which mentioned kundalini. From my heretic point of view, it resembles a bit the concept of chi. In terms that it might be a good representation of your actual nervous system/nerval clusters and help visualise and gain control over them. At least the bottom 3 or 4 chakras (up to the heart) fit one-to-one to nerval clusters that I was aware of before I even heard of kundalini. Still, I'm not very susceptible to the esoteric and spiritual dimensions of such topics (like @lonewolf8).

But maybe you can keep the infos/tutorials/links coming, since it's a very interesting topic. (Thx @Manipura for opening the thread)

@smudgefish, I suppose a better word would be 'integrated' life. I realize the word 'spiritual' in this forum has a heap of negative, puritanical religious overtones. Aneros and Yoga open new layers of who we are and, hopefully in moments of stillness, we may catch a glimpse of just 'who we really are' which has a 'wow' factor in it. "Tat tvam asi". Meditation using a mantra to maintain the breathing is one way, and it is interesting to note that the breath is used in yoga movement and chanting (see posts above) and in 'Do Nothing' Aneros. It looks like the key is the breath. It is possible that breathing is more than just staying alive! It's all very exciting. The other key is 'hanging around in the present moment' this one is really difficult.
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A spiritual life isn't for everyone.

Definitely not! I think you have to be a seeker & you'll find. I've always been a seeker & have read a lot about such topics as kundalini, astral projection, lucid dreams, psychic powers & energy work. To me it all feels related.I definitely feels like I'm on a path & to something more than super o's.

@Jazzer

going a tad off topic...lucid dreams, I have those.