Keep getting this feeling, what is it?

That's the feeling I got at the beginning of my super o. Just have to relax and "accept" the pleasure some how. Don't really have any good advice on how because I'm still trying to figure that out myself.

When you say "90% of the process of an orgasm," would a 100% result be ejaculation?

That was an orgasm. No 90% about it.

A read through The Crimsonwolf Method: PreWiring and the Confident Boomerang might be useful.

I used to get that a lot. I've overcome it twice out of the last 3 sessions and ended up with INCREDIBLY good orgasms. The way I have done it is by thinking to myself that I HAVE to concentrate on how good it feels and absolutely nothing else, force any thought of 'it's not going to work', or 'why isn't it happening yet?' out of my head and absolutely just concentrate on how good the feelings are. Concentrating on exactly how good it feels, with absolutely no negative thoughts, is crucial. It also involves ignoring the rising heart rate and erection.If I concentrate I can visualise orgasm building and that also helps, so I can feel it building but there is definitely a visual element to it for me which helps me focus on the pleasure. Very difficult to describe.
The other thing is that I find is I have to keep going with this well past the point I think I am into an orgasm otherwise I lose it. Don't stop until the orgasm itself is intense enough that you actually forget you need to keep doing it.

Easier said than done but it has worked for me. Keep trying because you can get over it with some mental trickery. Good luck.

No this is a definite edge, I concentrate on how good it is but it ever ever spills over, I hover there's for 30-40 secs and it feels like I'm about to orgasm and...... Nothing. I cannot tell you the feeling of loss afterward (hours post session)

The other thing is I am relaxed during this whole process, I observe the do nothing technique, so I cannot relax more. I tried a minor contraction for a second or two to see if it did anything when I was at this point again last night as an experiment, it did nothing I could discern. I may try a reverse kegel (pushing out). Movement and see if this allows me to feel. What if I did dry orgasm except I couldn't 'feel it' like My senses are dulled or.....

It's like I'm ticking all the right boxes for dry orgasming but I cannot quite enter the 'zone' as such.

I have to say that currently I am doing this a bit differently to how most people recommend and using tension to build to orgasm, only relaxing once in orgasm, so possibly my advice is not strictly correct. It is giving very good results so I'm going with it, and plan to experiment with relaxation once I get a bit more time to myself. Obviously ignore anything I say if it doesn't fit with your experience, it is just what I find works.

Is the fact you are looking for an edge the problem?? Some people on here have made it clear that they don't think there is a real edge.

I do think that your problem is similar to what I have had and I really have felt like I cannot slip over an edge, but then I was concentrating on that very point and perhaps losing focus on the pleasure. At least for me avoiding that focus and shifting it has worked, at least for now! Yes the feeing of loss is enormous and overwhelming I agree with that.

If there is no edge then my original question comes back into force, what was it I experienced? Rumel once replied to someone here whom had the same heart rate increase and stating this is an indication of immanent orgasm of some description.

The feelings during this process intensified, it ramped up considerably and i Almost felt out of body, my prostate like a hot ember getting really, really quite hot. Honestly if you tell me there is no edge I will believe you but what is this? It wasn't an orgasm, just a more intense p wave (nothing of major pleasurable note though, just feels I'm about to go to another 'level')

This is confusing me and the feelings of loss don't seem to come from me (they obviously do though!) it's as if I missed out on joy, yet I have no frame of reference to suggest what that joy is? I feel it's like my body doesn't know how to proceed in some way.

I'm sure you were on the edge of orgasm (I do believe in an edge, just a very gentle one). I am certain I have experienced exactly the same as you many times and really struggled with it. I'm not sure what has clicked with me to solve this, it's feels like I have learned something new as in a slightly better way of handling it psychologically.
In fact it happened to me 2 nights ago I was absolutely on the edge of orgasm, very intense feelings, but then I think I was chasing the orgasm and nothing happened. Very frustrating at the time.

I wasn't chasing it, or even bracing for one, when I'm at that point in a sort of altered state where i have no expectation or desire, just 'feeling'. I think its this that adds the most to the frustration and feeling of loss post-session, the fact i do the 'right things' of body and mind and still this level is not accessible to me.

It's the constant taste/hints of joy and having it taken away thats chipping away at me. Its the ultimate 'cock' tease.

Sorena_ what is the aneros doing when you're at this 30-40 second plateau? Is it moving in and out involuntary contractions, or is it deep in you held in by an involuntary PC clamp? I know what you mean, I was there for 10 years. What happens when those 40 seconds end? Does the aneros not move at all? Does it sort of come out of you a little bit as your anus and rectum relax?

Knowing how the aneros is moving before the 30 seconds of being "on the edge," what happens to it during those seconds, and what it does right after that feeling ends can help a lot!

The aneros never really moves much, perhaps slightly. My muscles do autofuck and have done for many months now. My best position is on my side as its the only place i feel anything really, if i change positions this usually stops things. Because on my side its hard to tell if there is movement going on, but i find movement does nothing for me in the past. There is no invol clamps during this 30-40secs, only great feelings in my prostate which feel like its going to explode (my prostate, not my penis!) but it never does.

EDIT: there is a greater sense of loss than the one above i have today discovered, I'm sad to report. I had another sessions today but it wasn't as successful as last nights session (ironically last night it was on a whim, i was not aroused at all) but today i really was, as a result of last nights session.

It was just successful enough to give me strong p-waves that demanded an orgasm from me and thats what i did, i was a super T, but tbh i now feel like absolute sh!t. But i could not stop myself. Self loathing does not help this journey one but.

@Sorena_ looking at this another way could you have some emotional issues? I certainly did when I found myself getting very upset over this at one point and admit to having a really good sob about it on several occasions and that was when things started going better again. Admittedly there was a bit more to it with me but the complete lack of progress on the aneros front really got to me. Just another avenue to explore.

I suspect in reality that you will sort yourself out one way or another if you are determined enough and something will click.

What I keep reminding myself of when it's not going right: 1) There is plenty of time. 2) Everyone has problems. 3) Some people take years to get to where I am now so be grateful. 4) I have done it once so I can do it again, there is just more to learn.

When you say "90% of the process of an orgasm," would a 100% result be ejaculation?

That was an orgasm. No 90% about it.

A read through The Crimsonwolf Method: PreWiring and the Confident Boomerang might be useful.

@Sorena_
This quote is an extremely good start for your answer. Even the first sentence is just great. You might want to take time to think of its Implications.

Now, reading your further explanations, it is true we also get the indication you are missing something indeed. But that something is very different from what you seek. It's simply an hormonal rush of satisfaction, which you are yourself inhibiting by refusing to be happy with what you've got. Yes, you read me right. Just rejoice in the deep orgasm you are just having (your famous 90%) and it triggers the missing part. Satisfaction can be a cause or a consequence. It works both ways.

It is your choice, whether you are satisfied with your deep orgasm or not. Yes it is, very different from the tensed orgasm (ejaculation and all). Some even have difficulty calling it an orgasm because of that. But medically, it is. And wanting it to be something else won't help.

Edit: double post

@Sorena_ of all the things I have done the crying bit pushed me forward more than anything. I am just amazed sometimes how this is so linked with our emotions. It has opened up a new world of emotions to me and started to release some very deep hurts.
Don't forget how much stress affects it as well.

When you say "90% of the process of an orgasm," would a 100% result be ejaculation?

That was an orgasm. No 90% about it.

A read through The Crimsonwolf Method: PreWiring and the Confident Boomerang might be useful

@PSLabs, i chose my words poorly it would seem. I will try to reword what i said so it makes more sense for accuracy. It feels like I'm ramping up to release, like the energy is building and it is leading to an explosion, yes there is a similarity in the same way of ejaculatory release, perhaps my body and mind using this as its only frame of reference is confusing it.

@Sorena_ looking at this another way could you have some emotional issues? I certainly did when I found myself getting very upset over this at one point and admit to having a really good sob about it on several occasions and that was when things started going better again. Admittedly there was a bit more to it with me but the complete lack of progress on the aneros front really got to me. Just another avenue to explore.

I suspect in reality that you will sort yourself out one way or another if you are determined enough and something will click.

What I keep reminding myself of when it's not going right: 1) There is plenty of time. 2) Everyone has problems. 3) Some people take years to get to where I am now so be grateful. 4) I have done it once so I can do it again, there is just more to learn.

Yes @smudgefish you're likely right, i am going through a tough time at the moment, so aneros sessions shouldn't really be happening, this is very possible. I need a cry or a release of some kindWhen you say "90% of the process of an orgasm," would a 100% result be ejaculation?

That was an orgasm. No 90% about it.

A read through The Crimsonwolf Method: PreWiring and the Confident Boomerang might be useful.
@Sorena_ This quote is an extremely good start for your answer. Even the first sentence is just great. You might want to take time to think of its Implications. Now, reading your further explanations, it is true we also get the indication you are missing something indeed. But that something is very different from what you seek. It's simply an hormonal rush of satisfaction, which you are yourself inhibiting by refusing to be happy with what you've got. Yes, you read me right. Just rejoice in the deep orgasm you are just having (your famous 90%) and it triggers the missing part. Satisfaction can be a cause or a consequence. It works both ways. It is your choice, whether you are satisfied with your deep orgasm or not. Yes it is, very different from the tensed orgasm (ejaculation and all). Some even have difficulty calling it an orgasm because of that. But medically, it is. And wanting it to be something else won't help.

@CanCan So it was an orgasm without any 'feeling', is that what you're saying? its just a rising or ramping of something but its an orgasm? is this something that develops more into something detectable with more of these that i experience? I hope this is not the end of the road regarding these, like @smudgefish said before he was able to 'get over this' exact feeling and into orgasm territory. I will work on this and see where it leads, I've only had maybe 3-4 of these in more than a year with this journey, it could just be something I'm 'training' in preparation for something bigger.

The problem @CanCan is that I've experienced an aneros less orgasm recently and it was different to this ramping up, i sort of 'fell into it' there was an edge but it wasn't like a cliff top where i would fall, more of a small step and i would be swimming in it. (I'm bad at writing stuff like this, sorry!) So i know there is more to this and i know what a prostate orgasm feels like. Was what i experienced just another type of orgasm then? one that is more subtle and far harder to detect pleasure in?


Thanks,

-Sorena

The whole thing is the whole thing. Perhaps you just have to be not so goal orientated and just enjoy the ride. The troughs as well as the peaks?

I thought that a super O and even dry Os, many of them, would be bigger and better than my TO. They both are and are not as good as my TO!! You are like I was: thinking that the super O would be profoundly bigger and more life changing than anything I'd felt from orgasms through my whole life. That is not the case, at least not for me. Its maybe expecting the unexpected and that the unexpected is better than that which is known, maybe that's what is holding you back. It held me back for so many years.

Have you used the aneros manually to make it interact with your prostate? Sometimes you might not know if its in contact correctly. The anal sphincters will react and tighten if your prostate is stimulated, at least mine does. I use my finger to press and rub my prostate and it makes my anus pucker hard. The P tab on my toys are in slightly different places, and the length of the toys vary. Use the aneros like a dildo and make it rub/press/stimulate your prostate and see what that feels like. Does it feel the same as when you just insert it and lie on your side? You might need to reposition it so that it hits your prostate the way it needs to every time an involuntary contraction happens. I know you said your ass is autofucking but the anus and rectal canal can be stimulated too, and maybe your ass is letting the aneros do the autofucking?

When I have dry Os the involuntaries go on and on for a minute or two, and then I start to imagine getting fucked in the ass, or I'll imagine being very hard and fucking a deep wet pussy, each involuntary contraction a thrust from my cock or the cock that's fucking me. I get totally lost in my mind and fantasize over the most sexy things I can think of. I gently squeeze and pull on my nipples, this triggers my dry O instantly. Then, the involuntaries pulse just like my regular TO, and all tension is lost, the invols slow and almost stop, I am having an orgasm, and I relax and feel very good.

My dry Os are calming and not as intense as my TO, in fact, its almost the opposite of my TO. I don't have a super O every session, they are rare and I like them that way (the ones I've had are almost so intense and involve so much more than the physical world to me that I prefer to have them less often because of how amazing they are!). But 30+ dry Os that range from mild and nice to hard and intense, I'm fine with that. Some might be super Os, but I'm beyond that stage in my life with prostate pleasures.

Lastly, please don't feel depressed because you "have" to have a TO with the aneros in. It is a huge orgasm, yes? It is bigger and deeper than a TO without aneros in, right? Then appreciate that and bask in the power of your male orgasm and get off on the fact that you can insert something into your ass that makes your TO that much more awesome!!!! I used to feel ashamed that I couldn't achieve a super O too, and would cum my ever loving brains out with the aneros in after a 1 hour+ session. Now, I love it so much, why wouldn't you enjoy cumming that hard??? Keep "not" trying and you will enjoy yourself so much 🙂

Lastly, please don't feel depressed because you "have" to have a TO with the aneros in. It is a huge orgasm, yes? It is bigger and deeper than a TO without aneros in, right?

Wrong! often its only *slightly* better, usually its far less intense than if i didn't have an aneros in for some reason...? today was a good one though. Im never orgasm goal oriented in session, today for example all i wanted was to get my prostate kickstarted, just to get some nice feelings, nothing more.

My dry Os are calming and not as intense as my TO, in fact, its almost the opposite of my TO.

@techpump but using my aneros less dry orgasm as a frame of reference i cannot honestly say I've had one similar with an aneros present (in fact not even close, not even 1%), otherwise i would take others advice verbatim that what i had was an orgasm, my body and mind has experienced on and knows differently.

The whole thing is the whole thing. Perhaps you just have to be not so goal orientated and just enjoy the ride. The troughs as well as the peaks?

I think you're right! i think i shouldn't be asking what it is and just enjoy it for what is, if things change or develop into something else then great, perhaps its just a current phase of some kind.

-Sorena

I have had my best results with the mindset of "what will happen next?" Like seeing it as an experiment.

I have had my best results with the mindset of "what will happen next?" Like seeing it as an experiment.

This is my mindset in every session, always has been.

-Sorena

@Sorena_ Everyone seems to have their own 'aha!' moments I hope you have one soon. I must have had about 20 so far.

@Sorena_ Everyone seems to have their own 'aha!' moments I hope you have one soon. I must have had about 20 so far.

Once again you're right i feel, like i say we need to stop questioning and instead just keep ploughing forward, taking what we get (and what we don't get i suppose) and remember this is all 'training'

-Sorena

@Sorena_

Don't sweat it. You are doing great.

Just accept there are plenty of different orgasm experiences (not just two) and they are very different from each other. I guarantee PSLabs' comment and mine are exact. Your description is spot on, we know exactly what you experienced.

Now, I am sorry my comment may have been a bit obscure... The ways of the dopamine are a bit funky.

It feels like I'm ramping up to release, like the energy is building and it is leading to an explosion, yes there is a similarity in the same way of ejaculatory release, perhaps my body and mind using this as its only frame of reference is confusing it.

The difficulty is understandable. In many ways, the prostate orgasm matches the penile orgasm, but has some important aspects that just don't fit into that context.

The "explosion" analogy is very appropriate. I get feelings like a ballon inside me is being inflated, and threatens to split me open at the seams. Somebody keeps letting a little air out of the balloon, then pumps in a little more than it had. And as much as you or I might expect or want it to, the balloon never pops.

You're unconvinced of your orgasm's validity because it scored low on the intensity scale, but you're there, dude. Stay cool, don't get frustrated, leave your dick alone, and you'll get to the high-intensity ones that you want and deserve.

It feels like I'm ramping up to release, like the energy is building and it is leading to an explosion, yes there is a similarity in the same way of ejaculatory release, perhaps my body and mind using this as its only frame of reference is confusing it.

The difficulty is understandable. In many ways, the prostate orgasm matches the penile orgasm, but has some important aspects that just don't fit into that context.

The "explosion" analogy is very appropriate. I get feelings like a ballon inside me is being inflated, and threatens to split me open at the seams. Somebody keeps letting a little air out of the balloon, then pumps in a little more than it had. And as much as you or I might expect or want it to, the balloon never pops.

You're unconvinced of your orgasm's validity because it scored low on the intensity scale, but you're there, dude. Stay cool, don't get frustrated, leave your dick alone, and you'll get to the high-intensity ones that you want and deserve.

Great comment once again.

@Sorena_
At so-called 90% you have been orgasming for the 90 previous percent already. But there is no reason to stop there or even at supposed 100%. The no-edge orgasm has no intensity limit. The limit comes when you fail to accept (i.e. to relax) and thus build the edge. Going over that edge is rare and not necessarily rewarding. There are many and more pleasures along the way... On the condition you enjoy them (which is up to you... No joking).

@CanacanThanks.


I like the way you wrote "Satisfaction can be a cause or a consequence." not just for its truth, but for avoiding the trite "satisfaction is its own reward" cliche.

@Sorena_

Don't sweat it. You are doing great.

Just accept there are plenty of different orgasm experiences (not just two) and they are very different form each other. I guarantee PSLabs' comment and mine are exact. Your description is spot on, we know exactly what you experienced.

It feels like I'm ramping up to release, like the energy is building and it is leading to an explosion, yes there is a similarity in the same way of ejaculatory release, perhaps my body and mind using this as its only frame of reference is confusing it.

The difficulty is understandable. In many ways, the prostate orgasm matches the penile orgasm, but has some important aspects that just don't fit into that context.

The "explosion" analogy is very appropriate. I get feelings like a ballon inside me is being inflated, and threatens to split me open at the seams. Somebody keeps letting a little air out of the balloon, then pumps in a little more than it had. And as much as you or I might expect or want it to, the balloon never pops.

You're unconvinced of your orgasm's validity because it scored low on the intensity scale, but you're there, dude. Stay cool, don't get frustrated, leave your dick alone, and you'll get to the high-intensity ones that you want and deserve.

Great comment once again.

Thanks @PSlabs and @CanCan, I agree with you both. I guess my question or reasoning needs to change with this revelation.

What i experience is orgasm, thats great. So what i should be looking at is seeing if this grow in terms of intensity so that i can register it as a feeling of any kind. To compare this 'ramping' sensation with penile orgasms would not be conducive as they are not comparable on any scale as the penile orgasm is a thousand times more intense than this 'ramping' currently.

So it is not a question of IF I'm orgasming but rather how much I feel the orgasm, but it is happening nonetheless.

Would I be correct in saying that this could, over time/experience and exploration, increase into something 'more' potentially?