is ejaculation totally involuntary???

with out aneros that is.. i have one and haven't had much success with it...it does make my climax's more intense with pineal manipulation but other than that nothing really

Hi newby and welcome to the forum

Hmmm, absolutely great question!!! I'm assuming that you want a pulsing muscular ejaculation mixing all the usual sources of seminal fluid from vas deferens, seminal vesicle, & prostate (with maybe a little cowpers input to round things out) --- rather than just prostatic fluid by itself. Since most of us are working in the opposite framework (orgasm without ejac) you've posed an interesting twist.

I think this falls into the broad range of HFO (hands free wet orgasm). Which, some guys here occasionally practice as a finishing technique to a 'dud' session or after a series of dry-orgasms or as a finish to an edging session. My own experience is limited to wet HFO's where orgasm spikes well ahead of a semen flow and the semen flow is streaming rather than pulsing. So, a weak orgasm is separated in time from the seminal release.

I'll lateral the ball to others who may have something going that's closer to what I think you're after.

Cheers and good vibes ... rook

i had a wfo once i had been trying to do it for some time and just one day i must have been in the right mood and it just happened.. i wish i knew what i did cuz id like to do it more...ive been trying to ejaculate without orgasm erection or stimulation the last month with no success... all i get is pre cum..... u would think as many times as a guy cums in his life we would be able to develope a controle over it........i just want to be like i want to cum and just do it as easy as it is to take a wizz

Help us a bit on this one. What is it about Orgasm that you don't like?

lol i like orgasms. theres nothing wrong there.. i guess i just want to do and try something new.... it might be just a case of me wanting something i cant have...idk i think there would would be some sort of pleasure to be had just from ejaculateing.. but i wont know until i get to that point. IF i ever the to that point
ive tried to do some research on this topic and most of the time there is only pages on premature ejaculation and how to correct it...

It's definitely possible to ejaculate without physical stimulation (aneros or otherwise). I l can do it easily using sheer arousal and erotic fantasy. Although as rook suggested, I typically will do it as a "grande finale" after a lengthy Super-O session, I can also pretty much do it at will and several times in a row if I'm so inclined.

I have enjoyed HFO's with and without erection, but I don't have much control over that aspect. I have noticed that I'm more likely to HFO without erection a couple minutes after I've just enjoyed one or more HFO's with erection.

I'm not quite clear on the "without orgasm" part. Do you want to avoid pleasure entirely during the process??? All of my HFO's are intensely orgasmic, like an heightened and extended ejaculatory orgasm. So I can't really help you there.

I didn't start out intending to HFO, it just started happened one aneros session when I had so many Super-O's so close together than eventually cum (ejaculate) just poured out of me in one long, slow, stream instead of the usual pulsating contractions. The orgasmic sensations were off the charts, even compared to Super-O's, and they lasted waaay longer than a normal ejaculatory orgasm. And ever since then, it's gotten easier and easier to repeat the experience simply by feeling my way there along with some highly focused erotic fantasy.

I think it's important to mention though, I would unlearn/unwire this ability if I knew how. In fact, it's pretty high on my list of sexual priorities these days. Learning to do this has re-established something I worked long and hard to surpass - having a Point of No Return. Certainly it's a wonderful feeling, but I preferred the total freedom that came with knowing that I could enjoy unlimited orgasmic pleasures without extending conscious effort to avoid going "too far." Now it's as if I'm right back at the beginning, only at whole new level of experience.

For me, HFO's seemed to be the inevitable byproduct of having so many dry orgasms for such long periods of time. I guess the dam just had to burst sooner or later. Honestly, I'm not sure it's really an experience worth seeking out if you are at all interested in learning to have (and continue having) multiple dry orgasms/Super-O's. If you go too far down that road, you may find it's tricky finding your way back...

Good Luck!

Pan