I'm not sure if I truly know what an Orgasm is

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Fuzzy,

I think you have broached a topic with a fairly wide range of possible definitions. I like this discussion I found at Discovery Health, but I don’t think it really addresses prostate based orgasms. While prostate orgasms have been known about for millennia, it is only recently that western culture has begun to explore the possibilities and sensations associated with this form of eroticism. We are members of a growing group of men helping to define these new parameters of what constitutes an orgasm.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

In the time since my first post I read over some of the posts in the My First Super Orgasm... thread, and it seems that for some people, Super-Os can feel the same as a traditional orgasm and ejaculation. So much so that they are surprised to find that there was no ejaculate, and that they don't enter the refractory period afterwards.
This leads me to believe that I haven't had any prostate orgasms yet in the course of my journey.
I suspect that I will recognise them when I do get to that point.

Good link Rumel. Too bad they don't go into more detail on man's ability to have multiple orgasms without ejaculation. Now that would be a better read.

Fuzzy,

Super-Os can feel the same as a traditional orgasm and ejaculation. So much so that they are surprised to find that there was no ejaculate, and that they don't enter the refractory period afterwards.
This leads me to believe that I haven't had any prostate orgasms yet in the course of my journey.
I suspect that I will recognise them when I do get to that point.

I think this recognition is a good start for you. You will know when you have a super orgasm for sure. 😉

Fuzzy:
I think you bring up a good topic for discussion. I share your confusion but feel we do need to understand the difference between orgasm and ejaculation
some of my recent session have brought about the most intense pleasureable feelings and when one of those waves hit me and I feel it is possible an orgasm could be building, I always get a raging hard on. when the feeling subsides, the hard will will go away.
I have felt this was great progress but could I be building for a hands free orgasm rather than a super O due to the fact that my penis get very arroused?
I would like to see more discussion about the difference

I would like to keep this thread from settling to the bottom of the pile. I think it has some great unanswered questions

I feel like I made some progress in my most recent session and maybe even came very close to having an aneros orgasm.
The feelings that I experienced were very similar to the aproach of a traditional orgasm. Fast rhythmic contractions in my anus and a sense of expectation in my penis.
Similar feelings to those at the "point of no return" of a traditional orgasm.
I'm about to have another session today so hopefully I'll get that far again, or even further.

A simple explanation of an orgasm is just think of a woman having an orgasm. Her PC muscle contracts involuntarily while she's having an orgasm (Cumming). That's basically what we're doing. We're experience an orgasm more on terms of what a female experiences. It's a hard concept to understand because we men are so used to ejaculating and calling it an orgasm.

Just think in terms of a feminine perspective when you're thinking of the word orgasm. It's the easiest thing we can relate to. Go watch all those videos of women masturbating and watch their breathing patterns, tightening/tensing of muscles, pay attention to their whole body through the entire process that leads them to orgasm and through it. Notice how every time when she is having an orgasm her PC muscle is involuntarily contracting.

That my friends is the same thing we can have. No you're not going to ejaculate or have the regular orgasm you're used to. Yes, you're going to have the sensation that you are ejaculating (Involuntary Control of PC Muscle Contracting) and it may even feel like your going to erupt like Krakatoa! Just imagine building yourself towards Krakatoa. Best part is you can keep building upon building upon building and experiencing multiple orgasms in a session (Multi-Orgasmic).

You're going to experience something entirely different; something you have never experienced before in your life (I like to call it a full body orgasm). However, once you experience it you'll never forget it and come back for more!!

thank you for this nice explanation a ArcticWolves 😆 😆

With all these differences, especially the exclusion of some of those "key indicators" of a traditional orgasm and ejaculation combo, I'm left wondering how to define an orgasm when separated from ejaculation.
How will I know when I have one?

I would say ANY sensation that feels good is in some way an orgasm, but since our experience with this sort of thing is so limited, all we have to go on is what we feel at the point of ejaculation. I have felt things which at first I wouldn't classify as orgasmic, but looking back on it, I'm certain that that's what they were. Those feelings have grown stronger and stronger and there's no doubt in my mind that anything from pleasant tingles to a knock-your-socks-off full body orgasm qualifies as one.

Where (or how) do we draw a line between what is orgasmic and what is merely pleasurable? I think it's all the same thing, just felt at differing intensities.

Hey Fuzzy and everyone else!

Well topic is valid as I always say and one thing I feel is important for people starting out is to understand that orgasms come in endless verity of shapes and forms and levels. Orgasm is often linked to release and release is linked to ejaculation but this is not the case.

Oftentimes orgasming can feel nothing like what you think it should feel based on your experience. This is why people can be close to amassing multiple orgasm but do not make one step towards it to take it.

Fuzzy you explained how you get ejaculatory orgasm, well this is one way to approach it approaching full body or multiple orgasm is somewhat different, you can not rely on feelings you already had since they will lead you to ejaculation.

Try to look for sensations that give pleasure in different ways they often feel numb but if you focus in to them they will begin to expand. Trick here is that non ejaculatory orgasms almost never give you full satisfaction, they can be far more intense than ejaculatory orgasms but will not likely leave you satisfied and released as your normal orgasm will. You will come out of multiple still aroused and ready for more.

This is important since when you start exploring, these multiple orgasms do happen, when you use aneros and have any kind of pleasurable sensations these are orgasmic feelings; yet many tend to ignore them and since they always leave you aroused in the end you might not focus them as orgasms, you rather say well they are just good feelings, BUT as you keep working they become stronger and people start noticing them thinking they made progress while they could have focused them in the beginning.

I have been practicing achieving orgasm without physical stimulation form many years and slowly I came to a point where I am able to call the feelings and tune in my body to experience different types of orgasms without doing any stimulation. This is ability anyone can get and it's really amassing to start exploring multiples that way, aneros will although assist you well, it's just important to monitor your feelings and always keep in mind that you should not just lay there and do contractions, be on the lookout for urges to contract other muscles to smile or move these actions will lead you toward an orgasm if you follow them.

As I explored ejaculation and non ejaculatory orgasms I noted that it is almost not possible to have orgasm that will feel identical to ejaculatory orgasm without ejaculation. Thing is while ejaculation happens there are muscles that contract during dry orgasm no matter how close it feel to the actual thing some of these muscles do not contract, or have much less tension. So ejaculation has it's unique signature.

Orgasms can feel different from state of extreme tension and sexual joy to deep feelings of well being with nothing sexual in them. I recently faced this type of orgasm it was just pleasure of different level it had no pleasure in the body it was a feeling of "well being here and now" it was extremely deep and emotional and there are no words to describe it but this will give you clear image that orgasms are many.

this is some excellent info provided here - I hope this thread can continue. I am finding this to be most helpful and think I have been making the error to assume an orgasm brought about by the aneros would feel like one brought about by masterbation.
Perhaps I have been having orgasms all along but not recognizing it. If I am in the middle of a session, relaxed on my back, and a wave comes over me that brings great pleasure, causing me to moan aloud - I should consider this an orgasm?
I experienced one intense orgasm almost a year ago, very soon into my journey. This orgasm was most intense, definatly as intense as a traditional orgasm, but with no ejactulation. I think this sort of set the bar for me, and I have never been able to get back there. I think that is why I have felt I have never orgasmed since then.
I think the explanation between these types of orgasms will be most helpful to me

Guys.... please keep this great info coming

Fuzzy,

I hate to do this to you, but you'll know it when you get it!

I think that the best advice any of us can give you is, as already stated, keep working at it.

Second, the more you want it, the less likely you'll be to get it. It's a zen thing, mate.

Quiet, relaxation and having no particular expectations other than to enjoy whatever comes will lead you sooner than later to achieving the goal. Don't expect too much too soon. It took me weeks.

You might want to read my latest post: Joy! A Chronicle which describes my journey and my rewards!

Blessings, Fuzzy. Patience and persistence. Relaxation and the realization that you'll be getting much more than a simple orgasm. You'll be creating self-awareness and tremendous personal power!

Cockadoodle

Hey Guys,

For me, this is one of the most important threads out there. There have been several since I started almost 4 years ago, but I believe that with me, understanding EXACTLY what an orgasm is (and isn't) was crucial to my success.

There are so many good points here from the various members that it is hard to pick out which ones to highlight. What I can tell you is that I got so bogged down in trying to identify/define every little thing that I went through (p-waves, mini-o's, dry-o, p-wave...the list goes on) that I got so caught up in trying to define everything that I was missing what was going on. Once I got my mind around the thought that even the slightest tinge of pleasure was in fact a very small orgasm, I started to make some progress. For example, you have a p-wave and think, "oh, that is just a p-wave" because you have had them before and they did not escalate to a Super O so it must not be all that important. Well, they really are.

So while there is some great information in this thread, to try and pick out one piece of it is difficult and I would love to see the thread continue and get everyone's feedback. The one that really stood out for me was Justn_Otherguy when he said:

I would say ANY sensation that feels good is in some way an orgasm

Don't have a lot of time this am so I'll be brief. What I'm feeling as I've learned to separate orgasm from ejaculation is the movement of energy. What I'm experiencing is an opening and a rush of energy from my root. Just throwing it out there as part of the orgasm experience.

Nice thread. It’s important to discuss the details because words don’t exist that describe what we are experiencing. Apparently defining “orgasm” is like trying to define “rich”.

I have a tough time distinguishing between a ‘good set of involuntaries’ and ‘dry ejaculatory spasming with not a lot of pleasurable feeling’.

If a mini-o is just dry ejaculatory spasming with little to mild pleasure, then count me in, I can get there.

Since starting my journey 6 months ago I’ve had one hands free wet one (during my 1st week! Then no ‘orgasms’ for months), two mini p-waves, 2 hands free exercise ball induced orgasms with ‘some wet clear stuff but no cloudy sticky stuff’ and anywhere from between 0 to 300 mini-o’s. And God help me if I’ve ever had a P-Wave and lacked to the knowledge to know it.

Therefore, since most of my pleasurable moments hardly fit any description, I’m just always looking to move on from whatever plateau I’m on to the next one. Instead of “The Journey” I feel like I’m on a “Slow Ever Escalating Burn Towards Ignition”.

I may not be getting any speeding tickets on “The Journey” but the scenery sure is nice.

I enjoy reading about all our attempts to define what’s happening. You never know, I might wake up tomorrow and decide I’ve been stinking rich all along.

Keep it up,

J4

Description of orgasm will always include word pleasure, in fact orgasm means allot of pleasure.

If you look in to this word you will find that it is for the most part used to define standard orgasms and when people hear it they usually relate to what they had experience with. This is why as you go deeper and new experience comes in like with aneros use people try to give it other names like Super O's and so forth.

As I mentioned earlier orgasms are related to sexuality and feeling itself is connected to what you experience during sex induced orgasm, but what is sometimes hard to notice is that Orgasm from aneros session can be mind blowing yet will feel completely different from orgasm you get during intercourse. While we call both orgasms are they really the same? Do they deserve to be called the same? You can have orgasms feeling your body in deep relaxation or you can have an orgasm feeling allot of tension why do we call these different experiences same name? They do feel completely different yet that comes from our nature to say: it felt so good without noting what quality it caries.

Sitting and standing caries distinct signature you sit down and you can feel that you are sitting you stand up and you feel you are standing, you feel it due to distribution of weight, your posture etc. We call these two feelings different things and they are different. When we talk about orgasm same rule applies.

Orgasm is part of cycle, that cycle is know to all of us since currently medicine keeps sex response model on that cycle. Many people start going for multiple orgasms following same idea, sticking to the same cycle . When you come to this point where you want to experience something that people call Multiple Orgasm, super O or what ever people name it you need to let go of all that crap about how doctors think body responds to sexual stimulation and how orgasms happen.

There is no cycle, there are no p-waves, k-waves, orgasms or anything else all you experience is pleasure or joy or what ever you call this feeling and all you work with is pleasure and your body.

Nothing is set in stone your body can give you amassing orgasm for no reason at any time any place and in any position, all the talks about response cycles and needs are bs, this is what limits people in advancing in my opinion and people place limitation on themselves.

You get pleasure that is important stop calcifying and tagging it take it for what it is.

Calling all there experiences orgasms is like calling all smells you can smell "SMELLS". Now you go ahead and describe smell of a rose to me in words. Then try to say that smell of a rose is similar to any other smell and that is about what we are doing when we call all these experiences orgasms.

I may not be getting any speeding tickets on “The Journey” but the scenery sure is nice.

I enjoy reading about all our attempts to define what’s happening. You never know, I might wake up tomorrow and decide I’ve been stinking rich all along.

Keep it up,

J4

That's really the best attitude to have. What's the rush? Everyone is so obsessed with "getting there" that they may be missing some of the sightseeing along the way. If you're feeling good sensations then enjoy them. They will get better.

BoP: I'm not sure I agree exactly with every point you make but you do have a valid argument.
How can so many people experience different things from aneros use? Aren't we all built pretty much the same?
I guess it would be like everyone has a different threshold to pain

I'm probably as guilt as anyone with trying to put a name to the feeling and pin it on a chart to say "here's where I am at"
I think what has messed me up are the videos on line of guys experiencing Super O's and flopping about as if they are possesed, and thinking that unless this is happening I can't be having a super O

By the way..... I am jealous of those videos

BoP: I'm not sure I agree exactly with every point you make but you do have a valid argument.
How can so many people experience different things from aneros use? Aren't we all built pretty much the same?
I guess it would be like everyone has a different threshold to pain

I'm probably as guilt as anyone with trying to put a name to the feeling and pin it on a chart to say "here's where I am at"
I think what has messed me up are the videos on line of guys experiencing Super O's and flopping about as if they are possesed, and thinking that unless this is happening I can't be having a super O

By the way..... I am jealous of those videos

Yes my post is hard going and might push your beliefs and values in general, I ment it that way. I am using word orgasm just like everyone else because it caries a meaning, what i try to stress is for people to stop using it when they have their orgasmic experience and try to understand these feelings without the limits words bring in.

Experiences can be extremely different considering for example that I am not using aneros to achieve multiple orgasms for some time now.

I consider videos on this to offer limited insight in to what is actually happening.

I think maybe the main idea behind making this topic was to get some reassurance that there is more to be had from the aneros than what I've been getting so far.

I've had some very nice feelings, various types of involuntary or semi-involuntary contractions, but nothing that has been as intense as a traditional orgasm.

I am also waiting to achieve my first prostate orgasm but am confident that when it happens I will know it has. Just think back to your first penile orgasm/ejaculation, for me I was age 13 and despite months of mastubating to no effect I knew the build up and the event itself to that one was different.

My opinion is that if you are not sure whether you have achieved a mini or super-o then you haven't.

I am also waiting to achieve my first prostate orgasm but am confident that when it happens I will know it has. Just think back to your first penile orgasm/ejaculation, for me I was age 13 and despite months of mastubating to no effect I knew the build up and the event itself to that one was different.

My opinion is that if you are not sure whether you have achieved a mini or super-o then you haven't.

I don't remember the first time I ejaculated.
I remember plenty of times in my pre and early teens that I masturbated and had orgasms without ejaculating, I even remember wishing I could ejaculate because I had heard or read about it, but I was a late bloomer and didn't really go through puberty until my mid to late teens.

Once I got my mind around the thought that even the slightest tinge of pleasure was in fact a very small orgasm, I started to make some progress . superb splendid writings buster 🙄 🙄

Once I got my mind around the thought that even the slightest tinge of pleasure was in fact a very small orgasm, I started to make some progress . superb splendid writings buster 🙄 🙄

I'm not sure I can agree with the idea of even the smallest pleasurable sensations being little orgasms.
Wouldn't that then mean that traditional masturbation was a series of many small orgasms ending with a big one and ejaculation?

I'm not sure I can agree with the idea of even the smallest pleasurable sensations being little orgasms.
Wouldn't that then mean that traditional masturbation was a series of many small orgasms ending with a big one and ejaculation?

Hi Fuzzy,

My idea here is that there seems to be too much pressure to identify every little sensation that one experiences. You can get caught up in it. I know that I did. People need to be able to get passed the definition stage and on to the fact that these sensations most times are pleasurable. Some of them don't have pleasure associated with them but they will.

I actually like your analogy of a traditional masturbation being a series of small orgasms ending with a big one. I agree with that statement except I would take out "and ejaculation" because as we all know, that is the show stopper right there.

What a fantastic thread guys! 🙂

A few nights back, I was experimenting within a session. I was using my Progasm, and laying on my back with my knees bent and legs spread which is a position I almost never use due to not feeling much of any pleasure. I was doing what I thought was voluntary anal contractions that were extremely pleasurable. And ended up bringing myself to a hands free super-T. Which makes me think that in fact I was clenching my PC muscles and didn't realize it because the body position is unfamiliar to me. After orgasming and ejaculating, I found myself wanting more, so I started masturbating my completely soft penis, and eventually had another ejaculatory orgasm. (It surprisingly never did get hard)

Here's the interesting thing, even though both orgasms were ejaculatory, the hands free super-T was much more intense and better feeling than the orgasm via masturbation. But I found the involuntary anal muscle contractions were completely different during the orgasm. With the hands free super-T, my anal muscles pulsed, making my Progasm move in and out of me in a extremely pleasurable fashion during orgasm. Where as with the masturbatory orgasm, my anal muscles contracted and held hard the Progasm within me which was not pleasurable at all. A very interesting and unintended experiment to experience.

Now the very next night, my girlfriend and I had sex. And I noticed several times during the course of it, that when I pushed deep in her and held, I would have several orgasmic sensations occurring. I think I was actually having mini, or dry-O's. An incredibly wonderful feeling! I had noticed something like this before in prior sex sessions with my current girlfriend, but having sex the night after an Aneros session really made it much more noticeable and more intense. I liked it! But I found it quite difficult to have a ejaculatory orgasm. It's like because of the Aneros session, my body was tuned into prostrate sensations, not penile ones. I would get close to the point of ejaculation, and my penis head would get too sensitive to continue. So I pulled out and masturbated until I ejaculated on her. And that ejaculatory orgasm wasn't even all that great feeling compared to the mini, or dry-O's I had earlier. Next time I will have to pay more attention to the sensations of mini and dry-O's during sex. 😀

The progress is so varied and interesting during my Aneros journey. I never know or can expect how things will occur. But I'm almost always pleasantly surprised when wonderful sensations do happen.

Love_is

Fuzzy, a great topic you started here. I received my Aneros as a gift before Christmas so am just a newbie. Thanks to this forum after about six sessions I have experienced a whole new world. It seems like I am learning how to speak a new language. Each session I am more relaxed, managing my breathing better, and controlling the convulsions from 30 seconds to 2 minutes. In a typical session I can have upwards of 10 of these before my genitals can't take any more and I always end with ejaculation. At this point my penis and balls feel like they haven't felt for years and I explode and shudder and explode and shutter.

My own road is similar to everyone else's in preparation but I find it works best for me on my back both knees in a sit-up position and spread the knees far apart. Once the toy is warmed up, I feel both the prostate and perineum and I know I'm there with short and long contractions.

I agree that this is the female orgasm in the male body which is very cool indeed. I think it will allow me to be a better lover with my lady as I now understand the joy of building these convulsions one after another and not stopping at one when I have rushed to my pleasure before the aneros with my lady.

My quandry is now how to get my lady to participate as I think having a partner assist is the next level up!

I feel like I made some more progress last night.

I was doing all the things I would normally do in an aneros session but without it in. I've found that nipple stimulation can have some quite powerful effects for me. It often causes involuntary contractions of my abdominal muscles, or makes my hips move by themselves.
Anyway, I was playing around for a while with my nipples and doing some PC and anal contractions which all felt very nice.
After about 20 minutes of that I decided to masturbate to ejaculatory orgasm.

The interesting thing is though, that when I reached the climax, I felt that my orgasm and my ejaculation were not as firmly tied to eachother as they have always been.
It felt like I reached orgasm a few seconds before ejaculation.
I suspect that I might have been able to have the orgasm without the ejaculation if I'd decreased or stopped the stimulation of my penis at that time.

I'm eager to experiment with this a bit more.

In a typical session I can have upwards of 10 of these before my genitals can't take any more and I always end with ejaculation.

Is that ejaculation with or without touching your penis?
Whatever the case, it seems that you've made excelent progress, especially for only receiving it at Christmas. Who gave it to you?

My quandry is now how to get my lady to participate as I think having a partner assist is the next level up!

Does she know about it at all? If not, that would be the first step.