Hormones

My hormone profile is pretty high due to lifestyle. Does it matter compared to a guy mid range or lower? Hard to say. Testosterone is responsible for many functions and regulations in the body. Couldn’t hurt to be higher if it’s low.

Have you had your hormones checked? Are they low? More info is needed to make even a guess about its importance regarding aneros use.

No but have been wondering just how much that could affect things.  I've been going the holistic route experimenting with the supplement regimen from The Orgasmic Diet for more than 6 months now, and think it might be doing something.  The theory behind it is to lower serotonin, increase dopamine, and raise free testosterone.  I haven't got to the actual "diet" part food-wise but have been taking fish and algae oil, Centrum, ZMA, OJ, and dark chocolate.  Time will tell here...

Posted by: @helghast

 

Have you had your hormones checked? Are they low? More info is needed to make even a guess about its importance regarding aneros use.

 

Yeah mine are low. Which is the trigger point for my thoughts - does one struggle to get prostate orgasms (like me, 7 years trying) due to hormone problems?

Posted by: @faith-manages

No but have been wondering just how much that could affect things.  I've been going the holistic route experimenting with the supplement regimen from The Orgasmic Diet for more than 6 months now, and think it might be doing something.  The theory behind it is to lower serotonin, increase dopamine, and raise free testosterone.  I haven't got to the actual "diet" part food-wise but have been taking fish and algae oil, Centrum, ZMA, OJ, and dark chocolate.  Time will tell here...

That book has mixed reviews.

I've been aware of ZaneBlue's idea to increase Omega-3, but she's not on this forum anymore so I don't know if that means it never really worked.

I note when I took high levels of Omega-3, I seemed to feel depressed, compared to other times. I never got to the bottom of it, or if it was just a placebo effect.

I take ZMA, lots of vitamin D3, Zinc, dark chocolate. OJ I take to mean Orange Juice? Lots of sugar in that, not good for me. My SHBG is low, so is my total and free T.

Read that having high total T (or actually, the optimal levels) seem to help with orgasm feeling and intensity, so if one has low T, maybe that suppresses the orgasm feeling, and makes it harder to have prostate orgasms.

I seem to remember someone, though it was one of the posters here in this thread, maybe someone else years ago, saying they had trouble getting prostate orgasms, but they also had hormone issues, or maybe that was my bad recollection of the events. So that's why I had wondered about this.

Posted by: @lonewolf8

To those of you that have been very successful with prostate massage / orgasms / super O - do you know if your Testosterone / Prolactin / DHT / Estradiol / SHBG levels are healthy?

I've only been tested for my testosterone level which was found to be in the low 'normal' range. I have no idea my relative levels are for those other hormones. Higher testosterone levels has been linked to higher libido and arousal potential. SSRI's which allow more serotonin to remain active in the brain have been demonstrated to have a negative impact on the libido. Estradiol also affects libido but is a trickier hormone in that too much may increase the likelihood of erectile dysfunction and gynecomastia, too little depresses libido. High prolactin has been linked to low libido, delayed ejaculation and might also interfere with testosterone production and erections. Low DHT may also depress libido. SHBG needs to have the proper balance with testosterone per The clinical relevance of sex hormone levels and sexual activity in the ageing male "... free testosterone and SHBG levels were significantly correlated with orgasmic function and/or erectile function rather than sexual desire."

It seems pretty obvious to me these hormones all interact in a complex system to maintain homeostasis. If any one of them gets out of balance your ability to generate orgasmic responses may be impacted. I think the best practice is to try and maintain a healthy lifestyle with good diet, good exercise and mindfulness.

Good Vibes to You!

A few years ago, I chanced on a way of increasing testosterone levels. I had started intermittent  fasting after having read about its potential heath benefits. After a couple of months, I noticed a distinct increase in my libido: general interest in sex, erection quality, frequency of morning wood etc.

I had in no way been expecting this, but since I had made no other lifestyle changes in the meantime, I postulated that this might be a side-effect of the fasting. After some searching on the net, it turned out that scientific studies have indeed shown that intermittent fasting increases testosterone levels in men. Not only that, but it increases your body's sensitivity to the hormone, which boosts the effect.

So there you have it: a cost-free, safe and relatively easy way to boost your T-levels and generally improve your health !

I'm 67 not a youngster. Testosterone before the lockdown two years ago, was high normal range, especially for my age at 680. I routinely did weight training. Mind you I'll never be a competitor, but was in decent shape. Once the lockdown started, no more gym and I had no equipment at home, which was impossible to buy then, even if I wanted to get it. So I started an aggressive exercise routine a good hour+ every day, sit-ups. pull-ups, pushups, air squats. etc., plus walked 4 to 6 miles a day. I got lean, kinda shredded. A little over a year later I had my T measured in routine labs and it dropped 240 points to 440, likely because of no weight bearing exercise. We are designed and meant to lift heavy things and I wasn't doing it. 

Next issue was very subtle and I only realized what was going on in the last few months. In the last year and a half, really less, I noticed my morning wood wasn't what it typically had been. Mind you I always and still can get it up, but there was something off with my morning wood quality and definitely duration. I'd get soft as I sat up in bed, where previously would be hard all the way to the bathroom (35 feet away, we live in a loft) and it was always a challenge waiting to soften up for that first morning pee. So now it seems this was the baby beginnings of ED.

Started reading. I bought Nitric Oxide (NO) test strips and found my level was low bordering on depleted. NO is one component for getting erections and it's "normal" for NO levels to lower with age (both men and women). 

There are well over a dozen herbs that assist in increasing testosterone, libido, and/or erections. After researching I decided to start with 4 herbs, I take the minimum amount of each every day and will cycle them 30 days on 10 days off, because with herbs if you continuously take them they become ineffective. My results were fast within days. Now I get memorably hard three to five times at night and my morning wood lasts all the way to the bathroom. I haven't even started take a combo of L-Citrulline and L-Arginine that would address the low NO, yet. 

S-Os. My impression is that some curate or conceal their experiences on this forum. I'm going to come clean on this, which may have something to do with hormones, or not. I haven't had automatic S-Os, in about 15 months, and this appears to coincide with my T drop. I have had random very brief quick Os, maybe defined as Mini-Os and extended P-waves while sitting or driving that have lasted up to 25 minutes, but no automatics that usually last a good minute at a time each and occur in long sequences without me doing a lot to bring them on once they start. 

Do hormones enhance the ability to get S-Os?

@lonewolf8

If blood work is showing low,hop on trt which is fairly easyif you are American with insurance. In the U.K. it’s much more difficult as drs here are resistant to it,even if you’re just inside the range,they say it’s normal and send you away. There are companies that do trt privately though. Or,you can buy test yourself from the internet. 

I don’t know what shape you are in. If you are overweight,the single best natural thing to do for test is to get lean and stay lean. Fat tissue is rich in an enzyme called aromatase. This aromatises a huge chunk of the test you produce into oestrogen. Oestrogen is important for a lot of things,but we only need a little. Get the weight off,start working out.

Best to do this anyway if you are going to start trt as the test will pull oestrogen up as it climbs,and even more oestrogen won’t do you any favours.

Can you get aroused and get erections? Jack off? Have sex etc?

Hi I have also been on Trt replacement therapy since 2001; my pituitary gland does not command my testicles to produce testosterone. Only total testosterone has been measured, its value is close to the upper limit. (Nebido injections). This butt job was completely new to me, I started with MGX and then Helix quite soon went back to using the MGX toy which caused Butt-Buzz wake up and pretty quickly I got my first Super-O; full body bleasures, calm seas, dry-Os. Nowadays, I experience those aless, maybe the butt-buzz is still in the background. I can’t tell if Trt affected my Super-Os because I’ve been constantly getting testosterone injections and without them my testosterone levels would be almost non-existent. (The vets wrote I wouldn’t get a super-Os without testosterone). My butt-buzz is still going on. One thing that may have contributed to this is the relaxation exercises I’ve been doing before.

Zinc seems to rise testosterone.

Better progress for you.

Posted by: @helghast

@lonewolf8

If blood work is showing low,hop on trt which is fairly easyif you are American with insurance. In the U.K. it’s much more difficult as drs here are resistant to it,even if you’re just inside the range,they say it’s normal and send you away. There are companies that do trt privately though. Or,you can buy test yourself from the internet. 

I don’t know what shape you are in. If you are overweight,the single best natural thing to do for test is to get lean and stay lean. Fat tissue is rich in an enzyme called aromatase. This aromatises a huge chunk of the test you produce into oestrogen. Oestrogen is important for a lot of things,but we only need a little. Get the weight off,start working out.

Best to do this anyway if you are going to start trt as the test will pull oestrogen up as it climbs,and even more oestrogen won’t do you any favours.

Can you get aroused and get erections? Jack off? Have sex etc?

 

My experience of reading Reddit suggests that TRT in the UK is pretty hard unless you can go private-funded route. Which is what I may have to do. Being seen by endo soon.

I'm obese, so that's definitely a factor. My Androstenedione levels are in the middle of the range, which is one of the precursors to T. Estradiol (E2) also in the middle of the range. I find that surprising as I thought I'd have high E2 due to too much aramatase and body fat.

But it looks like my SHBG is below the normal range, and so are Free and Total T.

I'm doing Keto-ish / Carnivore-ish now and trying to lose weight.

Seen some reports that Androstenedione gets converted to something else in the liver - so wondering if Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD) causes issues there.

I definitely have problems with erections and arousal - last 5 months have trashed my libido.

Posted by: @buttin

Hi I have also been on Trt replacement therapy since 2001; my pituitary gland does not command my testicles to produce testosterone. Only total testosterone has been measured, its value is close to the upper limit. (Nebido injections). This butt job was completely new to me, I started with MGX and then Helix quite soon went back to using the MGX toy which caused Butt-Buzz wake up and pretty quickly I got my first Super-O; full body bleasures, calm seas, dry-Os. Nowadays, I experience those aless, maybe the butt-buzz is still in the background. I can’t tell if Trt affected my Super-Os because I’ve been constantly getting testosterone injections and without them my testosterone levels would be almost non-existent. (The vets wrote I wouldn’t get a super-Os without testosterone). My butt-buzz is still going on. One thing that may have contributed to this is the relaxation exercises I’ve been doing before.

Zinc seems to rise testosterone.

Better progress for you.

Thanks. I have been taking zinc, but that only really works if you are deficient (and I dont know if I am).

Interesting to read that you've had good success with prostate / super orgasms, and yeah, also interesting that you say the vets say you'd need T to get them.

Hi,
Have you check your haemoglobin and hematocrit values? For me, they were way too high and that’s why my doctor lengthened the interval between Sustano’s injections

Posted by: @lonewolf8

Seen some reports that Androstenedione gets converted to something else in the liver - so wondering if Non-Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD) causes issues there.

I wouldn’t panic about nafld unless you’ve been diagnosed with it,although lifestyle changes can help or even reverse it.

@lonewolf8

Posted by: @lonewolf8

My experience of reading Reddit suggests that TRT in the UK is pretty hard unless you can go private-funded route. Which is what I may have to do. Being seen by endo soon.

It can be. If you are under the threshold,they should put you on it,and if they don’t,argue the point. If you’re just over,they might bin you off and tell you to lose weight,and they aren’t technically wrong,getting lean and moving your ass will work wonders for the endocrine system.

Posted by: @lonewolf8

I'm obese, so that's definitely a factor. My Androstenedione levels are in the middle of the range, which is one of the precursors to T. Estradiol (E2) also in the middle of the range. I find that surprising as I thought I'd have high E2 due to too much aramatase and body fat.

Now we know what we’re working with. Oestrogen doesn’t have to be clinically high to be a problem. Just having more than you should decimates the role of testosterone,particularly bio available test which is the one with the benefits. Total test isn’t really important at this stage. Fixing things will sort shbg etc. a diet rich in excess sugar won’t help at all.

Posted by: @lonewolf8

I'm doing Keto-ish / Carnivore-ish now and trying to lose weight.

Gotta take diet seriously and drop the ‘ish’. I’ll be honest,keto,carnivore,IF and other diets are mostly trash. Most people don’t do them right and can cause harm due to underconsumption of macro and micro nutrients. They don’t work any miracles,they all create a calorie deficit which is easily done without dropping food groups,carbs aren’t the enemy,too many are the enemy. A negative energy balance is all you need to lose the weight,focus on non exercise activity thermogenesis (neat) to help weight loss. Aerobic exercise for cardiovascular improvement and fitness. Anaerobic exercise like weights for strength improvement,muscle building,plus weight training is good for the test. NEAT really is about moving around,walking,working,chores,walking up stairs,even sleeping! Just general daily movements burn more calories than exercise,people vastly over estimate how many calories are burned through exercise. Just stay off the sofa.

Hook yourself up on a proper diet and get some exercise in,you’ll start feeling better within 2 weeks I guarantee it. A potent multivitamin is all you need,the effects of certain supplements like zinc and them test booster mixes is negligible,and if your in bad shape,a total waste of money. Getting lean,diet,exercise and actual exogenous testosterone are the only things that will make marked improvements.

If you want to improve your chances of getting on trt,20 mins before your endo appt,and or any blood test for testosterone you are going to take,ingest 75-100g glucose. This will make your body pump out insulin which will temporarily tank your test and hopefully you’ll be nicely under the threshold. Either buy powder at the chemist or online or go to McDonald’s on the way and have a feed with a large coke. Keep us informed,and if you want some info on where to start with diet and exercise,you can ask me anytime mate.

For what it is worth...

I went to the doctor around this time last year.  I had him run a bunch of tests.  He found out my hormones were not balanced.  I had high estrogen.  The doctor told me it happens as guys get older, but normally isn't tested for.

I also found out I had low vitamin D levels.  Since then, I have been on vitamin D therapy, and now have levels in the high normal range.

I didn't really think about it until I saw this post, but I had quite a few Aneros breakthroughs in the last year.  I wonder if all that has anything to do with it.

I did read something about vitamin D being good for sexual health.

Speaking of hormones, even small things can make a difference. I always had sleep issues, and nothing really helps, but from time to time I revisit some things to see if something will happen. So this time I tried melatonin again, and it had very marginal positive effects, but after 2-3 days I had ONE great night of sleep, I really wanted it to work so I kept taking it. After all, it's over the counter, everyone uses it, and it's incredibly cheap. They give this to 2 years old kids all the time, so what harm can it do, right ? 

After a couple of weeks I started feeling like a zombie with zero energy and no libido, but I was sleeping a little better, so I thought things would improve. Well, they did not, I could hardly get anything done, stopped taking melatonin and lo and behold, my energy came back. My sleep is still trash but I guess I'm used to it. All this to say that hormonal balance is very important and can easily get out of wack. 

Posted by: @zentai

After a couple of weeks I started feeling like a zombie with zero energy and no libido, but I was sleeping a little better, so I thought things would improve. Well, they did not, I could hardly get anything done, stopped taking melatonin and lo and behold, my energy came back

Melatonin is known to cause depression if taken too often.  Depression then causes low libido. 

@nat

It does say on the label to not take it if you already have depression, and looking online there are several more known side effects that are not listed. I found it pretty brutal in my case and the difference in mood after stopping was apparent really quickly. It's very possible that it had depressive effects on me. 

Strangely, even if we call it "vitamin" D, it's actually a hormone, so balance is important here too. Low levels are associated with prostate cancer in several studies, so it does appear to play a role in men's sexual health.   

Vitamin d performs many functions in the body. It boost energy and mood. So,if your happy and got energy,the sex stuff will work better than when your a miserable so and so. 

As for melatonin,I know ppl take it for jet lag. Maybe it’s not supposed to be taken long term. Or maybe the dose was high? 

@helghast

I know people who take it everyday and they seem to be doing fine. I guess my brain chemistry is just a little bit wacky, but we knew that already, hehe. 

Both melatonin and vitamin D are closely related to sun exposure, so maybe just going outside would help some guys with Super-Os ? I'm in a northern climate and the ''winter blues'' are a well known thing.  

@zentai

Yea going out is better than winter syndrome. I don’t know,anyone I know only takes it short term.

Posted by: @zentai

Both melatonin and vitamin D are closely related to sun exposure, so maybe just going outside would help some guys with Super-Os ? I'm in a northern climate and the ''winter blues'' are a well known thing.  

I've actually looked into a lot of this stuff.

Sun exposure doesn't do as much as people think.  Not only does your body naturally regulate the amount of vitamin D received from the sun, but the foods we eat include a lot of deuterium, which blocks vitamin D from sun exposure and contributes to falling levels. 

If you are someone who has basic vitamin D levels (30-60), the foods you eat can be setting you back. The idea is to stay away from processed foods and grains.  Have a heavier diet of meat and dairy. 

If you are like most of us with crap eating habits, you need to heighten your dosage.  A standard dose I think is 4,000 IU a day, 25,000 to 30,000 at a once a week dose.  Normal range for vitamin D levels is 30-100. As I hear it...  You want to shoot for 60-80.  I personally am sitting at 80 with a weekly dose of 50,000 IU.  I might cut that down to a bi-weekly dose once the weather gets nicer, as last spring/summer my levels were too low.

Of course, I am no doctor, so don't directly take my word for it.  I'm just expressing my experience.  If you do decide to take high weekly doses, be sure to get tested to know your base level, and tested again a month or two in.  Like all vitamins, there is such thing as toxicity.  For vitamin D, that toxicity would come with heavy symptoms, but you don't want it to get to that point.

So..  Want better sexual health?  Eat watermelon, blueberries, pineapple, nuts, and chocolate.  Take vitamin D at a heavier dose.  Drink a decent amount of water.  Cut down on sugar and alcohol.

@nat

Here, Health Canada gives a daily Tolerable Upper Intake Level of 4000 UI for between 9 and 70 years of age (recommended intake is only 600 UI). They say that above 4000 UI daily, you run the risk of side effects, but that's obviously very generic with that large age range. 

According to the Gov. you don't get any benefits over the daily 600 UI, even with zero sun exposure. That's only 4200 UI a week...  So I agree with you that's it's something that should be checked with your doctor before going for high doses. Personally I take daily doses of 2000 UI in winter and 1000 in summer and I feel it's working fine for me. And like you, I'm no doctor and this is not medical advice, only what I do. 

Dudes,make sure you have a full blood work up done before diving into supplemts. 1) If you aren’t actually deficient in something in question,,they don’t do shit. 2) For most people,they are a waste of money,since cleaning up a balancing a diet does the same thing. 3) supplementing on some things when there is no deficiency can cause other health problems down the line. 

On Testosterone boosters: Biggest pile of broscience money chugging things ever created,they have no discernible effect on the hormone profile. So for those whose goal is higher test: clean up diet and workout,get lean. For further levels: Only actual testosterone from a dr or test from from a steroid site will lift levels.

@helghast

Some of the mood enhancing ones do work, like 5-HTP or St. John's Wort, which in some studies are on par with low dosages of anti-depressors, with less side effects. Saw Palmetto can help with PBH, with other studies backing this. You won't be getting any of those in your daily diet, and they won't show up on a blood panel.

Everyone is responsible for researching what they want to use, and a doctor's opinion certainly won't hurt. All the supplements that have "real" drug-like effects can also have side effects, or interact with prescription medication or even alcohol. Things like phenibut are unregulated in some countries and prescription only in others, and these can mess you up even if you can buy them at the health store. 

Some other stuff just gives you expensive urine, and I agree with you that we should not just dive in a supplement regime at random. 

I also agree that all the Giga Rhino 5000 TestMax (TM) magical boosters are just made to separate you from your money. 

Posted by: @helghast

1) If you aren’t actually deficient in something in question,,they don’t do shit. 2) For most people,they are a waste of money,since cleaning up a balancing a diet does the same thing. 3) supplementing on some things when there is no deficiency can cause other health problems down the line.

Yes and no...

There is a difference between having enough of something to survive and having enough of something as surplus.  Having enough to get by will make you healthy.  Getting that bit extra will set you ahead of the curve.  You have to remember, we as a society become accepting of things within the aging process.  You can (for example) have good sex drive for a 40 year old or have better sex drive than most other 40 year olds.  It becomes your choice on what is priority or important.

They don't do shit because of the marketing.  Most of these pills you take only give you a small amount of what you actually need.  So..  There is where I would agree it is a waste of time and money.  A balanced diet is great if you know exactly everything you need.  Most of us do not.

Posted by: @helghast

So for those whose goal is higher test: clean up diet and workout,get lean. For further levels: Only actual testosterone from a dr or test from from a steroid site will lift levels.

A steroid is still a steroid.  I wouldn't take anything that messes with hormone levels without the assistance of a doctor.  You can screw up a lot of stuff that way.

Posted by: @lonewolf8

 

Anyone on TRT: did you find you had better success once on it?

I started trt on June 30.  My total number of T was 198ng/dl, which is clinical hypogonadism.  I won't do my bloodwork again until October, but after six weeks of treatment my aneros orgasms have gone through the roof compared to where I was.

Posted by: @seekingpelican

Posted by: @lonewolf8

 

Anyone on TRT: did you find you had better success once on it?

I started trt on June 30.  My total number of T was 198ng/dl, which is clinical hypogonadism.  I won't do my bloodwork again until October, but after six weeks of treatment my aneros orgasms have gone through the roof compared to where I was.

Mine was 112ng/dL (I hope I converted that correctly from the actual units of the test), and I don't feel much different after 2 months of trt.

Have you had better orgasms and more frequent ones? Is it possible to get superO now for you?

@lonewolf8 Are you overweight? If so,how much so? A few extra pounds or what’s considered obese?

@helghast yes very