Hi, this is where I'm at.

Welcome to the Forum ! 

I don't want to deconstruct everything in your post and overwhelm you, but here are some observations :

Posted by: @heavenery

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[...] a warm, tingling ripply sensation thorughout my pelvic region, that almost has a "mean" quality that's hard to describe, it has bite to it if that makes sense.  Is this a P-wave? 

Probably. It's hard to tell unless you're the one experiencing it. Your own perception of it might evolve with time, but calling this a P-Wave seems very reasonable to me. 

Posted by: @heavenery

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I have also experimented with THC, it doesn't help me, it makes my mind race and I'd rather avoid it due to addiction potential.

That's a smart move, Super-O themselves have some light addiction potential, but if things *really* click with THC then I find that it's actually fairly hard to stop and might create issues.

Posted by: @heavenery

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My concern is that I want it too bad, I have read through some great "do nothing posts" and that seems like the ultimate way, but like many others I'm afraid I don't have the patience or mindset to get anything out of it.

The only ultimate way is the one that works for you. It could be a passive approach, an active one or a mix of the two. For some guys, "do nothing" is just a dead-end, and for others it's the key to the Super-O. You'll have to try different things and let go of the idea that there is One True Path.

Posted by: @heavenery

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I also worry that I have developed too much dependency on my nipples to generate sensations.

Nipple stimulation is a fantastic tool and I find it hard to overdo it. To me this would be like saying I have a dependency on the "Enter" key for my writing, it's just part of the deal. But you are right that for a prostate orgasm, the main focus needs to be the prostate.

Posted by: @heavenery

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[...] not to mention the possible kundalini and tantric effects.

You'll want to be somewhat careful here and educate yourself on Kundalini syndrome. I would not mix any Kundalini practices with your Aneros sessions until you have solid knowledge on how your body and mind will react to Super-O states. 

In the spirit of Jeff, You May Be a Redneck

One good way to tell if your a do nothinger, can you generate sensations with just a thought, you may be a do nothinger. Can you induce your aless without contractions or flexing of any kind, you may be a do nothinger. Have you ever put your eupho in and the party was already started, it just enhanced what was already happening, you may be a do nothinger. To find out if your a do nothinger all you have to do is nothing. Just stick it in and do nothing. If you are a do nothinger, its bueatiful, to sit back and observe your body make love to itself. 

Also when the do nothing wears thin, you can switch to do somethin just like that. Win win

Sounds like fine progress in a month and a half. I’d say keep doing what you’re doing, and stay away from weed given your past addictions.

Personally do nothing does nothing for me 99% of the time.

what kind of doses of Harmaline and mushrooms are you doing? I’ve never combined them but I’ve read it is strong.  In my psychedelic use, anything over a certain threshold makes me a bit numb to sensation and also makes me forget my libido. In general mushrooms and 4-sub tryptamines (aka synthetic relatives of psilocybin) don’t do much for me prostate-wise. Lysergamides and Molly on the other hand… kaboom. But relying on psychedelics and Molly and other drugs of that intensity is not a viable way to do things regularly. I find it good for the fun of the moment as well as learning new things that I sometimes am able to recreate when sober…

@zentai Thanks for the detailed reply and fantastic advice.  I'm glad you don't think I need to lay off the nips, it seems there are plenty of people who are able to reach the super-O that include them, and it would probably be a long road for me to get where I'm currently at without them.  This post gave me pause about it, and I do think ideally it would be better not to rely on them, but at this point I will take what I can get and be grateful!  I agree the ultimate way is what works, no doubt.  Also I'm aware of Kundalini syndrome, but thanks for the heads up.  I practice Vinyasa yoga and Anapanasati meditation, so nothing directly related to kundalini, but I would like to conjure it some day even if it's risky.  I normally do my 30 minute meditation before Aneros session, which I think is beneficial to my concentration and bodily awareness. 

@Tbob You're a lucky guy, I read your other post and it seems like you're having a great time!

@divine_o Thanks for the feedback, I've read quite a few of your comments and it's cool you've experimented responsibly with different substances and Aneros.  You also seem to be a bit of a natural so congrats on your success. I have some MDMA and LSD at my house in Thailand and I look forward to giving that a shot, but will be careful not to over do it.  I haven't done molly for years, and back when I had done it I was normally drunk at a concert or something, so I look forward to trying it in a more responsible and therapeutic setting.  About the shrooms, I normally take about 2.5grams of syrian rue seeds in a capsule, with about 2.25grams of mushroom.  It is strong, but not overwhelming.  It gives me about 12 hours to work on my music, playing handpan, didgeridoo, and native american flute, while also having time for aneros.  I find if I don't put the effort in with my music practice the aneros doesn't do much, it's almost like the shrooms give it to me as a reward, but my last trip it wasn't so enhanced.  From the session where it was very enhanced I found a newfound sensitivity carry over, and I see potential in certain substances being trainers with lasting benefit. 

On another note, I'd like to say I have no judgement for anyone who uses porn, I know it can be great for generating arousal, but I just like it too much.  My dopamine receptors can't handle it from all the abuse I've doled out.  I only watch JAV and it's unbelievable how well Japanese actresses are trained in giving erotic pleasure, to me it's on a whole other level, they also go for the nips a lot which looks awesome.  I live part time in Thailand, and can't wait to go back and find a girl to suck on my nipples while I do an Aneros session lol.  Another reason I avoid porn, as I've seen others say, is it brings too much focus to the penis, and I always want to have a super-T at the end of a session.  Porn makes me super lusty and generates intense cravings which doesn't mesh with my Buddhist ideals.  What I find amazing about Aneros sans porn, is that I don't feel the need to ejaculate, which has enabled me to practice a light form of semen retention where I cum about once a week.  So much healthier I think than my previous daily release with porn.

Hey guys, thought I'd give a quick update.  Last night I believe I was able to reach my first dry-o, or at least mini-o.  In either case it was amazing, I was moaning and it lasted a long time.  What was different was that I used THC and porn, I would have preferred not to, as I mentioned I have a troubled relationship with porn and a history of substance abuse, but I may have to make peace with these helpers.  Also I stumbled on a new technique.  Normally I prefer laying on my right side, but last night I switched to the on your back, knees up position.  I had read a recent post on reddit where the person described relaxing, almost reverse keggling the sphincter, and I inadvertently found myself doing that.  It was very subtle and combined with light, "rolling" contractions, this created an almost a circular rhythm of contracting and relaxing/pushing.  Although it was never completely involuntary there were definitely times it felt like I was on auto pilot.  I also found myself in periods of relative stillness relaxing into the sensations, almost pushing against/ trying to resist them which would  counter intuitively amplify them.  I remember reading about this technique and I had used it before, but this time it was a much clearer and stronger sensation. Typically I have been able to get very close to the edge, but then the sensation would dissipate and I'd have to start over.  This time I was able to let the sensations continue to grow for a much longer period of time and to an intensity I haven't felt before, and it never really went back to zero. After a pee break, I was able to get back to the cusp of cumming again without touching my nipples which is very rare for me.  I was also able to get farther in A-less after the session.  I also finished with the most insane super-t I have had yet, I didn't really plan on cumming and I need to work on my discipline if I continue to use porn.  I don't want to ejaculate every session, but it was amazing.  I'm very pleased and hope the techniques will carry over to porn and THC free sessions.

I also read this book a few weeks ago, I guess now I'm a believer.  I will probably have another session tonight to see if I can get there again, but will try to limit it to once every 3 days as advised in the book.

@heavenery 

Thanks for giving us an update ! For some reason your previous post glitched out on me when you answered the first time, I was not able to see it even if I knew it was there since I got a notification. Now it's showing up, weird.  Otherwise I would have commented sooner. Even if you already aware of it, be careful with Kundalini and cannabis, as THC in my experience lowers some natural safety barriers we may have that prevent us from reaching certain stages before we are ready. 

THC worked fantastically well for me but was also the undoing of several years of sober Os. I feel that once you go with THC for your sessions, you'll be stuck with it for a while. There might be little carry over from THC into sober sessions, of course this will vary between individuals. I also ran into psychological addiction issues, which were never present before I messed with cannabis. For me, this was simply not sustainable in the medium-long term.

Dunning's book is pretty good but also pretty light on warnings and kind of brushes addiction aside, saying : "Just don't do it too often." This is a little more, ahem, complicated than that, depending on how good things get. Dunning is pretty experienced with cannabis but I figure he's just scratching the surface when it comes to Super-Os and how far they can send you. Anyway, just keep this in mind and proceed with caution. 

@zentai

Hey there, yeah my last reply took a couple days to post because it needed moderator approval for some reason, I guess because of my low post count.  Anyway it's good to hear your opinion on this subject.  You also make some good points on this thread, related to the matter of weed and psychedelics with aneros.  I'm curious how you are doing now?  Have you stopped the THC, are you getting back to where you were?  Did you ever lose the ability to dry-o with aneros sober, or did it just become more time consuming/less intense?  It's odd because I had used THC maybe 5 times before with aneros, and it never did much for me, I imagine it's because I'm further along with my rewiring that it's become effective.  Anyway, I definitely need to be careful with it. 

Also do you have an opinion regarding porn?  I was thinking that I didn't need it and that prostate play for me was an almost non sexual act, purely sensation based.  But it is clear that it helps my sessions, especially in keeping me focused/interested for a longer period of time.  Also of note, when I was having my breakthrough moments last night, my eyes were closed.  So porn seems to be good at getting me going, but I need to close my eyes and focus internally to get over the edge.

Yeah the Dunning book is good, but it's definitely a little overly optimistic.  Good to hear your take on it, I completely agree.

Wow, that old thread was quite a trip in itself... 

I have not reached a THC assisted S-O for a long time now. I alternated several cycles of going completely without for several months, then micro-dosing, then stopping again for months. At too low a dose, it does not trigger the automatic S-Os for me. There must be a threshold where it either shuts down my overthinking or boosts arousal just enough, or both. I have a bunch of theories but no way to prove anything outside my own experience. I also used strains that I knew would be unlikely to trigger strong reaction. Stopping is not really an issue, as I don't miss THC, I miss the Os. Outside of reaching Super-O states, it's mainly full of unwanted side-effects for me. 

I got very close to sober Super-Os several time since them, but it does not get further than almost-almost. This is pretty unfortunate. It's a lot more work achieving this sober than with cannabis, and it's definitely harder than before. Part of this is that I have some stuff I need to take care off, which THC made extremely easy to put aside during the session, but which is always in the background otherwise. Other factors are the loss of motivation in really working the Os when I know they would be incredibly easy to achieve with some help from the drug. Obviously, this was not an issue before I tried cannabis, as I thought I was good enough naturally and did not need any gimmicks. Which was true then. Ignorance is bliss etc. 

I'm wishy-washy in regard to porn, and my opinion about it changed several times. I think that if it works, it works. But at some point your focus will need to be on your prostate feeling (prostate-O), then eventually on expanding those towards full-body feelings, and porn will be a distraction as it locks you into a specific progression or pace of the scene. I liked fast-paced mixes of highlights (bouncing boobs or whatever) as it does not matter when you look, something is always going on. 

I think audios are great, and that glancing at porn from time to time with the sound off is also OK as you are building up, but that you should be aiming at lowest effective dosage. If you get 100% success with porn and 25% without, then it would make little sense to me to try and be "a purist" unless there is a porn addiction going on. Ideally you would have your loving partner who is 100% on board with your Aneros adventure and helps you at each step, but if you don't have that going on and your imagination is a bit rusty, well there's porn. It'll work in a pinch.  

Dunning is quite knowledgeable on the workings of THC, but he wrote more of a cannabis book than a Super-O book, in my opinion. The Aneros part is basically : "Have a long inhale, exhale, then have a Super-O." It would be good for someone who wants to try cannabis for Super-Os and has never used it before, something I now feel is a pretty bad idea.  

Thanks for the detailed answers @zentai, that's very helpful.  Yeah I feel like I'm in a tricky spot with the weed and porn thing.  It's the quicker, short term gratification path, that may have consequences down the line.  Having an addictive personality, and not the most discipline, it's dangerous territory for me.  Anyway I'll feel it out and decide for myself.  I had another session last night with the same formula, and it began very good, but I had more "down time" and didn't quite get as close.  I attribute this to having ejaculated twice the day before, being desensitized to the porn, and having expectations. 

I'm glad you're making progress towards getting the sober super-o's back.  I imagine that must be frustrating and I can relate in other ways.  I spent many years using substances to assist in a variety of things, like socializing, making art, and generally not giving too much of a fuck.  Now that I'm sober I've been having to relearn basics, and understand all too well that crutches won't help in the long run.  But at the same time, I'm probably going to push my luck more with the weed and porn... lol

That's good to hear your opinion on porn.  I agree that it's best for generating arousal, and that the focus must shift internally to really make progress.  It's amazing just how mental it is, it seems to me it's like 95% mental.  I could have the perfect contractions going, but if I'm not in the right mental state, focusing on the sensations in the present moment, I will not get anywhere.

Posted by: @zentai

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The Aneros part is basically : "Have a long inhale, exhale, then have a Super-O."

Posted by: @heavenery

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I attribute this to having ejaculated twice the day before, being desensitized to the porn, and having expectations. 

Yeah, that'll play on arousal...

Posted by: @heavenery

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Now that I'm sober I've been having to relearn basics, and understand all too well that crutches won't help in the long run.

I've been playing around trying to discover what was the crutch for, exactly. What does THC do that I can't do naturally as easily ?  It always goes back to the big 3, relaxation, focus, arousal. For me probably mainly arousal, but they all play and feed back on each others so it's hard to tell. The most frustrating aspect is the haggling with myself, like the idea that I could use THC one a month, or twice a month, or why not once a week only... Or knowing that after 2 days in a row, I get diminishing returns, and trying anyway. 

Posted by: @heavenery

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But at the same time, I'm probably going to push my luck more with the weed and porn... lol

All my best sessions were without porn, eyes closed, and it was always that way.  One thing that I thought was acceptable was using porn for the first 10-15 minutes to get the ball rolling.

Posted by: @heavenery

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It's amazing just how mental it is, it seems to me it's like 95% mental. 

That's another thing I went back and forth on, is it mostly mechanical, mostly mental. My pretty underwhelming conclusion was that you simply cannot separate them. My body is my temple and all that jazz. Good mental condition for Aneros sessions comes from such things as enough sleep, good diet, general fitness, hormonal profile, mood outside of sessions, etc. Feeling good in general will carry over to feeling good into my sessions. Good focus comes from fixing the things that bother you in "real life" so parasitic thoughts don't come knocking while you're having a session.  With all that said, mental state is probably more important than the contractions, flexes or using the right position. 

Posted by: @zentai

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Or knowing that after 2 days in a row, I get diminishing returns, and trying anyway. 

Yes I know this feeling, chasing after it even though you know it's not going to work, looking for a lucky break so to say. 

Posted by: @zentai

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All my best sessions were without porn, eyes closed, and it was always that way.  One thing that I thought was acceptable was using porn for the first 10-15 minutes to get the ball rolling.

This seems like a good policy.  Now that I think about it, I haven't tried using THC without porn, so maybe my latest breakthrough had less to do with the porn and more to do with THC.

Posted by: @zentai

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That's another thing I went back and forth on, is it mostly mechanical, mostly mental.

Yes I agree, 95% mental is a stretch, you can't have one without the other.  It's a complex and system seeking unification. 

Posted by: @zentai

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Feeling good in general will carry over to feeling good into my sessions. Good focus comes from fixing the things that bother you in "real life" so parasitic thoughts don't come knocking while you're having a session. 

I really like this.  Pursuing the super-o's can provide motivation for cleaning up practically every aspect of one's life.  I have wondered before whether naturals are really just people with healthy minds/body's, a rarity in this age.

Posted by: @heavenery

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I have wondered before whether naturals are really just people with healthy minds/body's, a rarity in this age.

 

That might well be true. 

I feel like things were easier during my Golden Years of Os (early 20s). I don't think this was up to higher libido, but more from having a lot fewer responsibilities and a better outlook in life, and being more active and fitter. But I never had super high libido in the first place, nor was I a physical specimen. What I think at this point is that there is just a minimal threshold or barrier to entry, and it might not be that high. As far as just being generally happier, that's a bit harder to fix than just getting back to the gym or taking more walks, but Super-Os themselves certainly won't hurt. They will obviously provide much more motivation once you've already been there and now how worth it they are, so it's a bit of a chicken / egg thing.  

Posted by: @zentai

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Good mental condition for Aneros sessions comes from such things as enough sleep, good diet, general fitness, hormonal profile, mood outside of sessions, etc. Feeling good in general will carry over to feeling good into my sessions. Good focus comes from fixing the things that bother you in "real life" so parasitic thoughts don't come knocking while you're having a session.  With all that said, mental state is probably more important than the contractions, flexes or using the right position. 

I agree with this on the most part. However I like to lay all my shit at the aneros alter so to speak, and rid my self of it, during the session. Nothing like multiple O's to help you wash some of the crap away. Many pressures in life are out of our hands to control. Aneros sessions help to compartmentalize, almost like self hypnosis, as Crimson wWolf described tellingyour body parts to go to sleep. You can also do the same with bad thoughts,  by telling them they have no place or power here. And truth be told to get good at this a certain amount of self hypnosis , has to happen, though most of us aren't concious of it. My Aneros session have morphed into my safe place, and my healing place. The more you practice this , the better you get at it. It al depends on how you look at things. When I'm stressed I can't wait to get to my aneros session, to rid my self of the stresses of the day,  not the other way aruond.And by the end of my session I'm susally in a much better space mentally. Often times solutions to my problems in"real life" come to me, shortly after a session. If I can f%%k to get rid of stress,how much more can an aneros session do for me. I know I sleep better after a session. 

Great stuff ! 

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It al depends on how you look at things. When I'm stressed I can't wait to get to my aneros session, to rid my self of the stresses of the day,  not the other way aruond.

I feel this comes down to personality styles, some guys can let go and compartmentalize, others can't, or it's much harder for them, or they need to trick themselves in some way to get there.  I think it's at that point that more bells and whistles are needed, or in other words, more steps to get in the mood, more steps to stay in the mood. This can be porn, erotic hypnosis, semen retention, long pre-session prep, etc. Of course once in Super-O states it does not matter how many hoops you had to jump trough, a Super-O is a Super-O and it's worth it, it's just more work figuring everything out when you need to juggle lots of stuff at the same time. 

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However I like to lay all my shit at the aneros alter so to speak, and rid my self of it, during the session. Nothing like multiple O's to help you wash some of the crap away. Many pressures in life are out of our hands to control.

I sometimes find it hard to communicate my thoughts on paper, a wordsmith I am not.  I would like to clarify. The above statement, implies that I take al this stuff into my sessions. When in fact what I meant to communicate is that, enable to have success at this, one is forced to put there daily struggles aside. And create a peace bubble. As for ridding myself of all the crap in ones life, a wise man once told me and I live by this. Find the joy in it, no matter whats going on in your life, as you may be there awhile. This helps to give you the peace you need, to be happy no matter what comes your way, and helps in being in the right head space for Aneros. Some of you will understand this next statement, better than others. I also posses the peace that surpasses al understanding residing in me. I'll stop here.

@tbob 

That's the way I had understood it, you need to insulate your sessions from the bad stuff and come to your sessions "clean", so to speak. 

What I was hinting at is that depending on what is on someone's mind, and how their mind works, this might be even harder than switching jobs or getting out of a bad relationship or telling their dad they love him. Achieving peace, for some, might be harder than achieving Super-Os. So if it's a pre-requisite to Super-Os, this could deflate a lot of men's enthusiasm. But then maybe achieving some degree of peace, at least in sessions, is easier than brute-forcing your way to Super-Os. This is fairly complicated.