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04/29/2018 6:31 pm
Hey A Team-
After reading umpteen pages and posts, I’m still puzzled about the intersections of arousal, erection, leaking, ejaculation and refractory period. I know that’s a lot of fish to fry (and that these topics are oft-visited fishing holes), but further input from more veteran riders would be swell.
Erections: So far, none during sessions. The best I’ve managed is about half-mast, and that was with laser-focused effort and erotic visualizing. Q: Is an erection totally irrelevant? I’d love to get hard, and I envy all the men who tell tales of uncontrollable blue steel, or going from there to back again. I know my Johnson ain’t the point, but I don’t want him to get bored on long trips either.
Leaking: re. drip vs. dry, my glands think we’re in a prohibition. After a couple of months and about a dozen sessions, nary a drop. And the volumes of posts, pictures, and vids featuring men who are virtual waterfalls make me wonder if I’m in a rookie’s drought, if I’m one of the unlucky guys that just won’t ever leak, ooze, or flow, or if it’s totally irrelevant. Envy isn’t the right word here…green with jealously is closer. I’ve tried prostate massage a few times with an N-joy Pur, and it milks (a bit- not streams) and feels terrific. At the Aneros, though, it’s 2 AM and I just missed last call. Again, I wonder if a boner would help lube the gears.
Which brings me to the refractory factory. The other night I tried my new Eupho Trident, which I enjoyed like the rest—lots of tingles, sensations, warmth, fullness…but no more. So I masturbated after about an hour and a half, but it was a little weird. I couldn’t quite get erect, and I came in that halfway state, neither a rock-hard good old-fashioned wank, nor anything near a prostate or dry-O. My pleasure was tepid too—moderate relief, then afterward I felt a bit deflated physically and mentally. I’m still a few PSIs low a couple of days later. I read a poll around here that said more guys than not finished a session with a tug, but after trying it, I don’t think it’s the happy ending for me. More still with the Njoy; after that wrecking ball, my libido and manitalia of every sort throws in the towel for a good week or so. How often per week do you experienced Aneros riders saddle up, and what do you prefer for immediate post-session time? Wank, sleep, sex, or just stop and clean the slate?
I guess it’s the neither-nor borderlands that are confusing me. Why the total lack of erections or wetness that so many experience, I wonder?
There are silver linings- was it Goldenboy who mentioned maintaining a partial Kegel contraction to induce ‘flutterings’ and automatic response? Man, that feels good, even if the responses have been small and fleeting. Also, while warmth, pleasure, and tingles have been my only sensations, they are getting better with each session, and the teasing sensations are more pronounced; the smell of cookies baking in the next room is getting stronger.
I’m looking for perspective and shared experiences more than answers, I think. I’m good at ‘letting go’—it’s a precept of my meditation—but still, the hope of hard sessions and wet wonder makes me thirsty.
Best, Zenopause
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others."
- Groucho Marx
04/29/2018 9:10 pm
Erections: So far, none during sessions. Q: Is an erection totally irrelevant?
Yes it is irrelevant, some men get erections, some remain flaccid and some cycle betwixt the two states. I don't think there is much you can do to coerce an erection other than applying manual stimulation but this may be self defeating in terms of Aneros practice, please read @Cockadoodle ’s thread Penis, NOT for the reasoning here. Envy and/or jealousy about your erectile state is something your ego manifests to the detriment of your pleasure zone, you need to "Just Let Go !" of those thoughts to start riding in the pleasure lane. Don't worry about your penis getting bored, it's had years of focused attention spent on it, time for it to give some other organs a chance to show their stuff.
Leaking: re. drip vs. dry, my glands think we’re in a prohibition.
It is not a matter of luck, it is your simple basic biology, some men are leakers some men are not (I'm in the not category). I think you need to remember that people who write about it or video leaking are doing so because that is their basic biology, those of us who are not natural precum springs simply don't have anything to show or tell, so what? Reading/viewing such events, while it may be titillating, ignores the fact that it is not in everyman's basic biology to be a 'leaker'. It is important that you accept your body for what it DOES do for you and not be concerned about what it doesn't do for you. This is again an ego projection issue, you need to "Just Let Go !", accept your uniqueness and idiosyncrasies for what and who you are 
. Trying to maintain a boner ain't gonna help!
Which brings me to the refractory factory. I read a poll around here that said more guys than not finished a session with a tug, but after trying it, I don’t think it’s the happy ending for me. How often per week do you experienced Aneros riders saddle up, and what do you prefer for immediate post-session time? Wank, sleep, sex, or just stop and clean the slate?
For the typical male an ejaculation will trigger the hormonal cascade more commonly called the refractory period, prolactin surges neutralizing dopamine, oxytocin and serotonin are released, testosterone and epinephrine levels drop, these all are significant agents affecting our moods. IMHO, it is significant the orgasm itself does not trigger all of the hormonal cascade, it appears that prolactin is the primary culprit to the libido lowering effect and its suppression of dopamine. Post-session, I suspect many users actively employ the refractory effect to ease themselves into a restful sleep following an energizing session of prostate based orgasms. As you become more attuned to how your body reacts your Aneros practice will evolve and you will eventually find a desired frequency of ejaculatory relief that works well for you.
As to your questions about session frequency I suggest you take a look at the user Polls -> How long is just right to ride your Aneros? & How frequently do you use your massager? to get an idea of the range of your fellow Anerosians usage. Since you are the Captain of your ship, you get to chart your course through the orgasmic seas, happy sailing!
There are silver linings- was it Goldenboy who mentioned maintaining a partial Kegel contraction to induce ‘flutterings’ and automatic response? Man, that feels good, ... while warmth, pleasure, and tingles have been my only sensations, they are getting better with each session, and the teasing sensations are more pronounced
I'm glad to hear you are making progress, the Aneros journey is much more than a physical response to prostate stimulation, it can be a life view altering learning experience expanding your mind into acceptance of novel ideas and thoughts you've only vaguely perceived prior to Aneros use. 
Good Vibes to You ! 
04/29/2018 10:37 pm
I'm not an xpert or advanced user, but can't help but conribute...
Q: Is an erection totally irrelevant?
I echo what @rumel said... yes, for me an erection is irrelevant. I don't care if I get one or not, it has NO bearing on my orgasms. I get the normal nightime erection or morning erection, and enjoy the sensation. But otherwise, I don't really give them much though.
Concerning leaking: I leak no more than if I wrote erotica or looked at some bondage pictures. I don't care if I leak or not, it has NO bearing on my orgasms.
Concerning refractory: Pre-Aneros, I never though much about it. I used to have a motto "Never waste a hard-on"... if I had an erection or my testicles exhibited "blue-balls", I'd masturbate. Now, as an Aneros rider, I try to avoid ejaculation like the plague because it seems to kill my overall mental and physical arousal, and it takes about seven days for me to begin to get horny again and "feel" anything - fortunately I can "endure" "blue-balls" and have made it to about 15 days of "semen retention".
What I DO care about is this: The longer I go without ejaculation, the better my Aneros sessions seem to be.
Hope that helps. Eager to see others comments.
04/30/2018 6:45 am
See this gets me pissed off, i cant understand how if youre aroused that your cock isnt hard during a session! especially when touching nipples.
I woudl however wish i could be like you, why? because the cock takes over most of the time and its frustrating. The only benefit is that when i do orgasm i feel it my cock far more if it were erect than if it were not, i guess because all the nerve and vessels are opened and engorged, ie more sensitive.
04/30/2018 7:59 am
@Zenopause I would echo too what @rumel and @HereByAccident have expressed. For me, I wear a "chastity cup" now during all my sessions; frankly I don't care what my cock is doing! I never used to leak precum during a session, but I do now. Why? Who knows? And yes, a refractory will come after an ejaculation; fortunately, for me while practicing semen retention constantly, I ejaculate about every 7-10 days and I seem to "re-build" my arousal fairly quickly.
I feel that you have to find your "own" Aneros pathway; you can't "model" your experiences after anyone else's. They will share their experiences here on the Forum, but you don't (nor you shouldn't) model your Aneros journey after theirs! Your own path will become more clear as you progress with Aneros. Some of your resulting Aneros pleasures will be uniquely yours and you can share those!
Good luck to you!
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04/30/2018 9:43 pm
Rumel-
Sincere thanks for your thoughtful advice, as always. Your words are always enlightening, and your patience and knowledge base are inspiring. That's why you make the big bucks around here. I'll take your advice to heart- think less and enjoy more, without comparisons or frustration. And enjoy I most certainly do. I think that I'm most successful in a holistic sense when I keep experiences and expectations separate; mixing Aneros and masturbation doesn't seem to agree with me, so I'm going to keep different types of stimulation in their respective corners for the time being. Building up without traditional ejaculation is accentuating pleasure, whatever the form. Onwards!
Same thanks to the other responders. It matters, and I truly feel more at ease, guys. Best to you all, Z.
PS- Goldenboy, feel like posting about your chastity cup type and experiences? I've never tried one- do they allow for unexpected erections? What's the appeal? My prostate is in your continued debt.
05/01/2018 4:12 am
@Zenopause In addition to previous answers: for me an erection at Aneros is really relevant. By doing Aneros with Kegel exercises and staying completely hands free without touching my penis works for me aphrodisiac and slowly I feel my penis stiffen, which gives extra pleasure between prostate and penis. In case of involuntary contractions, my penis is standing upright, which makes me extra exciting as an exhibitionist to feel to experience and to look at. Before the use of Aneros I had much precum. With Aneros I have no precum anymore, at most after an hour there is a single drop.
As others also say: go for your own feeling! The main message at Aneros is as I have experienced it as often: continue to relax, breathe deeply, do nothing and let your own body indicate what feeling you experience. Then it goes without saying. What stimulates me extra is the rhythmic movement with the hips when you lie on your back. Then you slowly build up a great pleasure. I have not experienced a Super O yet but it feels like I'm getting close to it. That also gives me a totally enjoyable and relaxed feeling. Good luck!
05/01/2018 6:06 am
@jekyll&hyde Welcome to the world of male chastity!
Don't give up on a wet dream! I had one recently at Day 12 of SR. You will find that regular wearing of a "chastity cup" will ramp-up your horniness to new unexpected levels!
Don't give up on the 21-Day Challenge! I believe I attempted it about four times before I succeeded (to Day 26).
You'll discover that some "cups" fit you better than others, particularly when you're hard. Shock Doctor cups are good and there are others. I have about five cups now. @BigGlansDC can give you good advice on his selections as well. Like with Aneros, I use my "chastity cups" in rotation.
When you just need to ejaculate and find that a "chastity cup" is stopping you, you'll discover new, uncharted erotic territory! Enjoy the ride! GB
PS With continued use of your "chastity cups" you will rely less on your cock and more on your prostate. You'll feel it and you'll know when it is time for another session! Your sessions will get better and better!
05/02/2018 11:07 am
@Zenopause I'd like to answer your queries if I can!
Erection: a rarity. Sometimes I get a full-on boner but it's usually only if I've abstained for over 5 days. During most sessions I'll get about halfway hard, and it's fun and nice to feel the weight of my half mast laying on my torso. But all my super Os and most prostate Os that are not supers happen when I'm fully flaccid or like 20-30% hard. When I am hard I think my prostate changes shape a little bit, it gets harder and may be in a slightly different position due to my erection. So if I do get hard, it feels fucking amazing, but as the involuntary contractions continue, they make my cock go down, and as it deflates the contractions provoke an increase in contraction strength that makes the toy fuck me deeper on its own. By the time I'm fully soft, literally down to the second it happens, I'll sometimes have a massive prostate dry orgasm or a super O.
Leaking: Aneros seldom makes fluid come out. Only after I abstain for 5+ days does semenal fluid come out. If I go for a 7-day wait period, I'll start leaking the second an Aneros goes in me!! But I have way more cum on those days than normal, so I think that's why it comes out so fast and easy (plus I'm horny as hell). I have to use dildos to manually milk my prostate, and when I do, a lot can come out. Erections have nothing to do with leakage for me either. They are independent of each other as far as I can tell. Also for precum, my wife can touch me for a minute in the morning when we wake up and I'll leak precum for 30 minutes straight all down my leg, but when I masturbate sometimes for over an hour I don't get a drop. With Aneros use, sometimes I'll leak precum if I've abstained for several days, or if I'm just horny enough I guess, while other times I won't leak a drop. Mixed bag!
Refractory: I've had sessions in the early afternoon that last 1-2 hours long, I'll finish with a heartwrenching Super-T, and then that night have marathon sex with my wife and cum a massive amount. Sometimes I'll have a big session in the early afternoon and then have another session that night, both of which are unique in levels and amounts of orgasms, etc. But I think the refractory period for prostate stimulation is different from penis stimulation. Even if a Super-T is the closure of a prostate session. I think our hormones are tapped differently based on the stimulation of specific nerves (prostate/anal/rectal vs. penis). But as far as an urge or desire to have another prostate session after I've just had one, I kinda always want to have a prostate session, so I guess physically and mentally I'm ready for one anytime of the day, so long as I haven't eaten lots of heavy food.
Hope my insight on your queries is useful!
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05/02/2018 9:54 pm
Techpump-
That's a wicked lot of delight! I'm thrilled and jealous for you. And yes, your insight is incredibly useful. I'm grateful.
I wonder if I'm expecting certain milestones or physiological responses that are still coming attractions (snick), or things I may just never experience.
Cases in point, I still haven't really had any involuntaries, just lotsa warm tingles and ephemeral pleasures. I love these, but it seems that most men experience either involuntaries, erections, or leaking, either independent of each other or in combinations. I also abstain from masturbating more than I ever have, and sex (once every week or two on average) feels great-- like my dick put on weight (thanks Aneros). I find that SR is a real turn-on. But here too, after say a couple of weeks, my Aneri (Aneroses?) don't give me any wetness, hard-ons, or involuntaries. Also, masturbating at the end of a session feels like watching a mail carrier deliver to the wrong address- was that pleasure for Mr. Prostate or Mr. Johnson? My last post-session tug a few days ago was pretty lackluster, with me at only half-mast--pretty good volume, but not very pleasurable, only at a surface level. And I've never had precum, either as a young wanker, or now at 52. Could be that I just might not, period? Also do you leave your Aneros in when you wank? It's sending my body mixed signals that I don't care for, at least for now. Perhaps more experience will be my guide.
That pointer about refractory period being different for prostate vs. penis makes good horse sense. I had a session last night, no masturbation, and can't wait for another one. How much is too much, especially for a newb? It's been about twice a week for me, for two months or so. And boy is it different from traditional masturbation and ejaculation- I need at least a few solid days before I'm ready for anything after that.
So...I guess I just want more. Hearing about all the fantastic, myriad responses makes me crave at least one of them; it's such a turn on thinking about it. Like Rubin321 above says about the extra excitement of just looking- gosh I want that.
Thankee kindly for your insights, Veter-Anerian.
05/12/2018 2:17 pm
@jekyll&hyde Welcome to the world of male chastity!
Don't give up on a wet dream! I had one recently at Day 12 of SR. You will find that regular wearing of a "chastity cup" will ramp-up your horniness to new unexpected levels!
Don't give up on the 21-Day Challenge! I believe I attempted it about four times before I succeeded (to Day 26).
You'll discover that some "cups" fit you better than others, particularly when you're hard. Shock Doctor cups are good and there are others. I have about five cups now. @BigGlansDC can give you good advice on his selections as well. Like with Aneros, I use my "chastity cups" in rotation.
When you just need to ejaculate and find that a "chastity cup" is stopping you, you'll discover new, uncharted erotic territory! Enjoy the ride! GB
PS With continued use of your "chastity cups" you will rely less on your cock and more on your prostate. You'll feel it and you'll know when it is time for another session! Your sessions will get better and better!
@jekyll&hyde, Here are some pages of web sites from which you can order an athletic cup of your choice online:
@goldenboy, likes to wear the Shock Doctor Ultra Carbon Flex Cup which has a thick perimeter or gasket. That cup is perfect for the Kegels. He also likes the SafeTGard Cage Cup and the Mueller flex cup.
I tell you doing the Kegel Exercises in a jock and cup is so awesome and chockful of pleasure! 😉
05/13/2018 12:08 am
@BigGlansDC Thanks for the links. I’ll be sure to check them out. Looking forward to expanding my selection and finding my personal favorites! I’ve only begun to scratch the surface of male chastity but have really enjoyed what i have discovered so far!! Welcome back, by the way. We certainly missed your posts!
05/14/2018 6:35 pm
Based on the dialog here and in other threads I decided to take the plunge and experiment with chastity cages. I ordered one that's all metal and one that is surgical grade silicone.
Looking forward to this experiment! Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.
05/18/2018 3:37 am
I'm reading a translation of a Taoist Sex Massage manual, and came across this in support of SR. You guys are on to something!
If a man performs the act of sex just once without releasing semen, his vital essence is strengthened. If he does it two times, his sight
and hearing sharpen. If he does it threetimes, all of his bodily illnesses disappear. If he does it fourtimes, his blood circulation is
reasonably improved. If he does it six times, his back becomes very strong. If he does it seven times, his thighs and gluteal muscles
increasein strength. If he does it eight times, his whole body becomes resplendent and radiates. If he does it ninetimes, his life
expectancy increases.
Yi-Fang; Pi-Chuch
05/18/2018 3:48 am
About Abdominal Breathing from the Tao Sex Massage manual (and helpful to Aneros novices):
1. Inhaling. Upon inhaling, the diaphragm (a membrane made of muscle fibers that separates
the thoracic cavity from the abdominal cavity) dilates, which causes downward pressure, and
the abdomen outwardly expands. It is advisable to contract the anal muscles in order to avoid
losing any Qi that the body has gathered.
2. Exhaling. Upon expelling the air, the diaphragm exerts downward pressure, the abdomen
contracts, and the anal muscles relax.
05/18/2018 1:52 pm
"if he does it fourth times he sprouts wings and can soar through the clouds." Or so I heard - kidding, just some light humor!
on a related note I've had my metal male chastity device (with optional cum-through urethral insert) for several days now and tried it several times. When it's on I can't get to my penis - so the focus is 100% elsewhere. I gotta say, I love it! More to come!
05/19/2018 1:54 pm
@BigGlansDC Thanks for the links. I’ll be sure to check them out. Looking forward to expanding my selection and finding my personal favorites! I’ve only begun to scratch the surface of male chastity but have really enjoyed what i have discovered so far!! Welcome back, by the way. We certainly missed your posts!
You're welcome, @jekyll&hyde. However, I think @goldenboy through his blog and posts has a wealth of information and experience on male chastity. 😉
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