Getting some sensation but need help to progress

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Ron,

First you need to realize that what constitutes a Super O and what leads up to it may vary from person to person to some degree. Regarding the whole body shaking, given what I've seen written over the last several years, this phenomena can in some instance be deceptive. I gauge this from the fact that many of the people who have reported on it have had many of the same questions about whether they've crossed over or not. The question I would have about it is, do find yourself consciously trying to perpertuate this or does this happen on it's own? I would need to know this first before answering regarding whether to suppress this or not.

With respect to the anal twitching, it is not necessarily true that one has large scale involuntarily anal contractions prior to a Super O. Many have reported them, but to varying degrees. The manufacturer has actually advocated a program of exercises aimed at effecting muscular fatigue such that one triggers this. Given the fact that there are many users that have reported experiencing these involuntaries yet still can't seem to cross over this isn't the whole picture.

Regarding your last question about the involuntaries, as I alluded to above, this term IS most commonly used to refer to the anal twitching (involuntary anal contractions).

In reading your post, by far the most interesting thing you described was that of several of your sessions back when you experienced a tickling in your abdomen and thighs. My guess is that you stumbled randomly into an event that was perhaps more meaningful with respect to this process and then rather than going with it on it's own terms, you may have applied some other techniques to it that effectively extinguished it. Again, my hunch is that this event did not occur as a function of your body shaking....but on account of something else.

If you've read through the forum, and my comments in the past, you know that I put a high priority on arousal; generating it, magnifying it, and then focusing it.

Also what kind of contractions are you using; what intensity, frequency etc.? Describe the process of what gets you to the body shaking....

BF Mayfield

Originally Posted By: B Mayfield
(this post was edited 2005-09-27 10:02:35)

Ron,

First you need to realize that what constitutes a Super O and what leads up to it may vary from person to person to some degree. Regarding the whole body shaking, given what I've seen written over the last several years, this phenomena can in some instance be deceptive. I gauge this from the fact that many of the people who have reported on it have had many of the same questions about whether they've crossed over or not. The question I would have about it is, do find yourself consciously trying to perpertuate this or does this happen on it's own? I would need to know this first before answering regarding whether to suppress this or not.

With respect to the anal twitching, it is not necessarily true that one has large scale involuntarily anal contractions prior to a Super O. Many have reported them, but to varying degrees. The manufacturer has actually advocated a program of exercises aimed at effecting muscular fatigue such that one triggers this. Given the fact that there are many users that have reported experiencing these involuntaries yet still can't seem to cross over this isn't the whole picture.

Regarding your last question about the involuntaries, as I alluded to above, this term IS most commonly used to refer to the anal twitching (involuntary anal contractions).

In reading your post, by far the most interesting thing you described was that of several of your sessions back when you experienced a tickling in your abdomen and thighs. My guess is that you stumbled randomly into an event that was perhaps more meaningful with respect to this process and then rather than going with it on it's own terms, you may have applied some other techniques to it that effectively extinguished it. Again, my hunch is that this event did not occur as a function of your body shaking....but on account of something else.

If you've read through the forum, and my comments in the past, you know that I put a high priority on arousal; generating it, magnifying it, and then focusing it.

Also what kind of contractions are you using; what intensity, frequency etc.? Describe the process of what gets you to the body shaking....

BF Mayfield

Hi B Mayfield,
Thanks for your swift reply.

After inserting the Aneros (using plenty of lube) I begin by holding a low intensity Anal contraction which I use as the reference point and begin gentle contractions from this level, trying to sync my breathing as per the comments in the Forum. After about 15mins I start to get spasms in my lower body which if I continue with the contractions in the same manner intensify. If now I contract the Anal muscles harder and hold it at about 70% of full power then my body starts to shake rattle and roll quite violently. It was during one of these 'thrashing arround' periods that I experienced the warmth and tingling sensations that I mentioned in my post.

As you can imagine, after an hour or so of this I'm a bit tired to say the least.

Your comment on arrousal was interesting as I thought that this was perhaps a missing factor in my technique. Usualy I'm pretty much laid back when starting a session with the Aneros and not particulary horny, so before my last attempt (Wednesday last) I put my favorite porn vid on the old computer and watched this (with the sound off as I find this distracting) throughout the session. Interestingly although I did get to the body shaking stage the spasms were not as severe. However I didn't experience much in the way of pleasureable syptoms from my prostate as I have sometimes in the past but I was cerainly turned on and had the very strong urge to ejaculate for the whole of the two hour session. In the end I just gave up and had to masturbate to a normal penile orgasm. So no joy there!

I am still convinced by the the things I have read in the Forum and by the faint glimmers of pleasue I have extracted from my own efforts with the Aneros that there is definately 'something wonderful' waiting for me if I can only find the right key to unlock it.

Any suggestions as to where I go from here would be most appreciated.

Regards.

R

Have been using the aneros on a regular basis for almost a year now, have tried , helix, mgx, classic and sgx, have now settled on the sgx and classic, both models NOT modified in any way, straight out of the box so to speak, this is after having all 3 models previously modified in various ways, have discovered that modifications have not increased sensation any better than out of the box.
Still no suppper o, the penile dependancy is still taking over even though I have the anal twitchings fairly strong and for a considersable time, some involuntary shaking that I could let continue but feel it would be more likely a bit forced at that point.
The sensations are dramatic and exciting, continue for about an hour then I masterbate, so, one has to be really patient and work on internal focus and being really turned on, sooner or later it will happen.
Good Luck to all, just my 2c as an update

Geezer

I'm where you are, with a small modification -- I have successfully ended the last three four sessions w/o masturbating. Its very difficult, but you must do this to break the penile dependency you talk about.

I am with you Flesh,

I have to stop ending my sessions with masturbation. I have thought this before, but you have to have some strong will power....which I dont always have.

Buster

Tried the Aneros for the first time the day it arrived, had two sessions of one hour each with an hour break in between, got an errection imediately upon insertion the first time, but that soon when away.

Time when fast, so there must of been some enjoyment.

I think I may have had some sucess if I had not had so many to do things on my mind for that evening,maybe on a weekend when all of my little things to do are done, I will have a better chance of orgazism, but I figured after all that work I owed myself an orgazim, so I masterbated, with it in... it was an OK orgazism, nothing to write home about.

TomF

Just a clarification follow up, have actually used the aneros for a 2 week period without finishing with masterbating, just about drove me nuts !!!!
But I will try to abstain more from the palm sisters siren call.

Its a very hard thing to do, if you do it I am sure you'll get further along on the quest. At least thats what I'm hoping and why I'm persisting.

I'm in a similar place to Flesh & Geezer, takes time and patience to re program. Still I've had enough joy to know I'm on some kind of right track.

Ron, having been through something like you describe I'm convinced you are over contracting, I'm personally still confused between the low level contraction and the do nothing approach, both of which seem perfectly valid and both have resulted in the involuntaries, just that at the beginning of every session I have to make a choice between the 2 approaches.

I think Mr Mayfield is spot on when he says that the body shaking can be a red herring, I can make that happen too but it's just not subtle enough to let the feelings through even though they are there.

Did I read this here I'm not sure but there's an analogy with a vibrating string such as a guitar. The harmonics are there all the time but you only hear them when you play gently and employ subtle techniques.

2 problems I can see with hard contractions, 1 is trying too hard is likely to affect your overall relaxation and also mute the ability of the aneros to move freely.

Less is more!

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Multi,

Yes, I had drawn the analogy (in my Keys...thread), some time ago, that finding these subtle sensations and magnifying them up to a higher order is similar in concept to harmonic motion as seen in a playground swing, for example. Where small amounts of force, applied in the proper phase, builds magnitude. It is also true that many of these waves are with us all of the time...in our daily lives, but normally at such a low order of intensity that they are largely ignored. I had mentioned in the past, that every now and then we are treated to an occasional awareness of such sensations, although we don't necessarily recognize these sensations as having any relationship to an orgasm. For example, when yawning, sneezing or sighing. What all of these things have in common is that they involuntarily engage recto-abdominal contraction. Again, not orgasmic, but sometimes very pleasant...yes? I suspect some of the posts that we've seen from time to time about climbing a pole share a common thread with this phenomena as well.

As you have alluded to, there is tremendous amount of background noise that obscures these sensations. But believe or not mindset can do it as well. As I sit here, I am certain that there are many in this forum who have bypassed the very sensations that they've been seaching for. Why? One reason is, that from a strictly male perpective, these (new) sensations don't fit. They are NOT penile centered, as matter of fact the penile sensations that do occur are more secondary. The truth of it is, the experience is far more internal in nature... and yes to a certain degree...more female! If one is intimidated by this, or has lingering doubts about their sexuality as a result of becoming involved with anal play or has any other psychological garbage acting upon them...their potential for experiencing the Super O will be seriously impaired . In whatever way possible, one must clear themselves of such stuff before they go forward.

One of things that I hammer on is about training or rewiring yourself to experience arousal in your prostate. If you can center your arousal there, it's a smaller matter (so to speak) to transition to an orgasm from there as well. One exercise, (again) is to watch some good erotica, and focus your mind on feeling a fullness in your prostate. Btw. this should be done WITHOUT the Aneros (at least initially). The idea is to use your body and your mind to do the work. Then try adding some gentle contractions, perhaps timing them to something that's going on in the video. Visualize your prostate swelling. As always avoid penile contact while you doing this exercise.

RON, don't give up on this approach. Remember, it's just a warm-up and hour or so tops, then it's on to the Aneros. Perhaps I should have been more specific as well, the idea is really to wake up your prostate. Being aroused in a penile sense isn't quite the same. Now I'm not saying that having an erection is a bad thing. In fact the chances are that if you are experiencing arousal in your prostate that you may indeed have an erection! The distinction is, that the erection is occurring as a result of the prostate arousal,...not the other way around. At least that's what one wants to aim for. Lastly, when I mention mental focus, this isn't something that one burst a blood vessel over. It's more of a Zen experience....more passive. Know that it takes practice...engage!

BF Mayfield

Cheers for your reply BM! 🙂

I'm very curious to know what's your take on the do nothing vs light contractions approach? I have involuntaries (and good feelings) either way though not always through the more passive approach.

My point in asking is that whilst I know that both methods can yield results, at the beginning of a practice session I have a choice to make and that comes with a degree of 2nd guessing. It would be interesting if you could compare and contrast the methods.

Thanks as ever 🙂

Hi Guys, and especialy B Mayfield.

I have read your comments with interest and am going to modify my approach in light of this new info. My Wife is visiting her Mother next week for a few days which will give me the time and space to try and get the breakthrough I'm seeking.
I will take B mayfield's advice about trying to generate arousal in my Prostate - using my favorite porn video (I'll concentrate on developing an internal awareness of the center of my sexual energy and try to visualise the charging up/swelling of my Prostate). I shall then lube up, insert the Aneros and retire to bed where I should be able to concentrate undisturbed. I plan to use minimum contraction force and see where this leads.
I'll report on my findings sometime Wednesday next.

Looking forward to it.

Thanks again to all who responded.

Ron

Ron,

Best of luck to you and might I add ...stay with it, try this approach for a handful of sessions if possible, and see where it takes you.

One other method that I've often failed to mention, and that may be considered, actually involves a partner. Where does a partner come in with the Aneros? In the arousal department. IF you have a willing partner, who has no problem with being unattended to such an individual can be a significant source of arousal, i.e. have them masturbate in front of you....preferably at very close range! Close proximity can bring you in touch with some VERY POWERFUL visual, audio and even olfactory stimulation! Again, I must emphasize that this approach absolutely requires that your partner is with the program. That is, they understand that their sole role is to arouse YOU, and that you will not be engaged with them. This also requires a great deal of openness in a relationship and is NOT for everybody.

BF Mayfield

Mu1ti,

Forgive me for not responding sooner, I read your comments and meant to come back to the question at a later time, ...then couldn't remember where it was!

Regarding the Do Nothing Approach; first, which iteration of this are you referring to? The sleep with it method or something else? I wish to be accurate in how I respond to this, so let me know..

BF Mayfield

Thanks and no apologies necessary BM 🙂 I haven't really had the time or head space recently to make much progress anyway but I'm not taking a rushed approach to my practice, rather integrating it and enjoying the benefits as I find them.

Ok good point re the 2 types of do nothing approach thanks. I have slept with my aneros in a quite a few times now and the main thing I experience is very vivid dreams (almost every time).

The approach I'm referring to is literally normal waking practice without making contractions of any kind, the stick some good brain music on and let your mind drift.

I find if I'm in the right frame of mind the automatic contractions happen within minutes even in the absence of any contractions and at times they are quite vigorous. (nb. same result with SGX, MGX and Helix)

When this happens I admit I'm slightly confused as to whether to just go with it or add a baseline contraction for the involuntaries to react to etc. I don't really want to be making decisions or 2nd guessing too much when starting a session which is why I put the call out for some ideas.

Cheers, I hope this fills you in ok 🙂

Mu1ti

Mu1ti,

Sounds like you're at a great place with all of this! It's terrific that you're able to tune in with your mind and set things into motion in this way. If you're getting nice involuntaries like this... don't jump in and suddenly try to make things systematic. Yes, you have to go with it. Be subtle and maybe toss in a a gentle contraction or two... and be observant of the results. You might even try a rectal (pushing out..bearing down) contraction on top of some of these involuntaries...but gently. Again, you don't want to extinguish what's already going on. Remember the analogy that I gave of a playground swing...the idea is to work with the pleasure wave and increase its magnitude. But be aware this isn't always accomplished in the most obvious of ways. That is, (unlike my swing analogy) you can't necessarily apply a contraction in phase with an involuntary (for example) and get a pleasure wave of higher magnitude. Sometimes it will be out of phase that does the trick. This is where exploration comes into play.
Very likely there will come a time when you will apply a stimuli (somewhere between in and out of phase) and receive an intensification of sensation. If so, apply a little more (and I mean a little, don't bury it with a hard one) and see what happens.

Also I wouldn't necessarily begin a session with a plan in mind...that's too rigid. What is important is that you identify some tools that you'll have at your disposal. By tools I mean different types of contractions, different intensities, breathing, visualization etc.

With regard to the Do Nothing Approach, in general I have a hard time accepting that one goes to bed and wakes up being Super Orgasmic (for good that is)....at some point a transition must be made. Transitions are learned behaviors. If one has has no conscious awareness of such a transition how does one go about generating a WAKING experience?

Along the path of subtle encouragement, there is a great deal passivity, but there is also a cognitive capacity as well. As much as possible allow sensation to be your guide.

BF Mayfield

Hi Guys,

Ron (sore Ass) 2510 here again!

Well, things worked out as planned and my Wife duly went to her Mothers (only for a couple of days I might add!) which gave me the oportunity I'd been waiting for to really indulge myself with my preparations for a protracted Aneros session. Started out at about 9:00pm with a relaxing bath, then sliped on the dressing gown (nothing else) and slumped in frount of the TV and filled my world with an hour of susckin' fuckin' rootin' tootin' and shootin'. During this time I tried to empathize with the on screen action and build up the sexual tension and try and mentaly arouse myself in the Prostate reagion. Suitably horny I retired to bed, lubed up. inserted the Aneros, (the ubutment tab was well imbeded) pulled up the covers and switched out the light. Immediately I had a problem with that bloody curly Aneros handle touching the matress which I found annoying (why oh why is that handle the size and shape it is? surely it's not because you might loose the Aneros up your Ass is it?!!). So it was onto my left side, left leg straight and the right leg bent towards my chest (as reccomended in the instructions). Started gentle contractions. After about an hour I was feeling nothing but uncomfortable so turned onto my right side with my legs in a similar position nothing!
Well, I fell assleep around 1:00am and woke around 2:00am with a faint glimmer of pleasure in my Prostate. Not sure if it was this that woke me up or the fact that my Ass hole was mighty sore by now!..
I got up, removed the Aneros and went back to sleep!!!
A complete dead loss, didn't get the body shaking though but also didn't get any Anal twitching either. Certainly I've had better pleasureable feelings when lying on my back. So where does this leave me....pretty frustrated I can tell you (I didn't masturbate afterwards - too bloody tired!) I've had my Asshole in intensive care all day because I plan to give it one more go tonight. I'll report back tomorrow with any results.

Regards to all

R

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calton

Originally Posted By: B Mayfield
(this post was edited 2005-10-01 17:00:15)
As I sit here, I am certain that there are many in this forum who have bypassed the very sensations that they've been seaching for. Why? One reason is, that from a strictly male perpective, these (new) sensations don't fit. They are NOT penile centered, as matter of fact the penile sensations that do occur are more secondary. The truth of it is, the experience is far more internal in nature... and yes to a certain degree...more female!
BF Mayfield

B.M.
I completely understand where you are coming from here - see my post 2005-09-06 - and observations in "Newbie Questions" Thread regarding the momentary notions of "the female". Thoroughly agree and endorse that for success here we have to be prepared to enter a zen state and let go of the notion of "maleness" in this context. It is a bit of a philosophical shift to move away from and deny oneself penile-centered thoughts and activity - particularly when a sudden extremely vigorous erection is provoked (one's own!). Keep up the good work B.M. - you are a true evangelist for the Aneros cause. Thank you from us all.
calton