Frustrated, and not sure where to go from here?

I felt zero for the first couple of months. The straight "Do Nothing" method doesn't work for me. And to this day, the Aneros doesn't generate much sensation or appear to move around much. Through the Wiki and more importantly the B-line Keys to the backdoor sticky (especially the post: IS ANEROS THE ONLY WAY TO FLY). I found a way to generate exhilarating sensations with pelvic muscle tension. Once I found those sensations I was able to proceed fairly quickly to some big time O's.

If you haven't seen it, check out this thread for some ideas from @rumel and my post about chairgasms. https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/how-to-unstick

Do not give up. There is a path to the bliss described on this forum that is special and specific for each one of us.

Hey.
You sound exactly like a clone of me (about 19 months into this so far). Sorry to hear you're not making progress.

We are in the same situation... I think it will just take more time for us both compared to other men.

Please dont give up. If you get there before me... I'll know it's possible. And if I get there before you, you'll know it's possible.

I am not sure I can offer any tips or guidance, but just wanted to say "hi".

Not sure I can add anything to this thread. However, a couple things come to mind. You can hammer a nail with a 20 lb sledgehammer or a small ball peen hammer. You seem to be taking the former approach (~4 session a week up to 2 hr each). Although the super-o is a great goal and I have achieved them, there were many "stops" for the train before arriving at that destination. It does take time but the intermediate stops are just as enjoyable! Enjoy them! BTW, since you seem to have had more success with Helix, have you considered any still larger such as Progasm or Maximus? Also, do you have Peridise? They are amazing! You should listen to your body; frequently, it tells you what it wants and does not want. Listen! You may want to try "toning-down" your use of porn, masturbation, and ultimate ejaculation techniques for a while and concentrate on your prostate. I remember the first rule I learned when starting with Aneros: hands-off the penis! I am coping with DE and have greatly reduced my ejaculation frequency. I thought I wouldn't survive a day or two! But my body now is responding in a most positive way! Explore a solution for yourself and I am sure you will succeed! It is always too early to give up!

Maybe this can help, when you do your session , relax to a point where your emotions/feelings don't interfere whit the Sensations your feeling in your body, almost like your putting your brain asleep until it becomes calm like the sea, the tricky thing is if your trying to hard your brain is gonna work against you because your actually telling yourself (i cant do this, i cant do this)...when you try to hard...it's tricky that's why relaxation is mentioned everywhere to achieve orgasm, Even that smallest thought/memory that gets proccessed by your mind kills the build up to the O in your body...you need to be extremely CALM and let go and just ride the flow of life...no expectations no nothing just ride the lightning lol

Good luck!

You should listen to your body; frequently, it tells you what it wants and does not want. Listen!

What? How??
Does everyone else have some magical communication with their body to listen to?
The intermediate stops are not pleasurable...

What? How??
Does everyone else have some magical communication with their body to listen to?
The intermediate stops are not pleasurable...

Do you mean P-waves are not pleasurable? How about a Mini-O? Dry-O? Auto-contractions? I'm puzzled by your comment. If they are not pleasurable, then why do them? Surely, you must be having some enjoyment from Aneros?

I may be an exception but I don't "do" the same Aneros routine all the time. I like to "mix things up". If I need to decide on a model, I let "my body" decide which one, not me! Sometimes, I am not even going with an Aneros session at all. Take your pick: porn, erotic hypnosis, binaural beats, arousal music, Peridise, the list goes on.......

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Do you mean P-waves are not pleasurable? How about a Mini-O? Dry-O? Auto-contractions? I'm puzzled by your comment. If they are not pleasurable, then why do them? Surely, you must be having some enjoyment from Aneros?

I may be an exception but I don't "do" the same Aneros routine all the time. I like to "mix things up". If I need to decide on a model, I let "my body" decide which one, not me! Sometimes, I am not even going with an Aneros session at all. Take your pick: porn, erotic hypnosis, binaural beats, arousal music, Peridise, the list goes on.......

Comments from other members?

Never had a P-wave, never had mini-O, or dry-O (may have had something like that maybe a year ago?).
Auto-contractions? once had a few contractions squeeze my finger as I was lubing myself up. I don't really get contractions that often, unless I do intentional contractions myself. Is it pleasurable? No, don't think so.

Why do them? .... the hopes of one day being able to have something from it...

Any advice I can give you will probably just annoy you since you've likely heard it all before. I'll take the risk and offer some advice, anyway. First, take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. The aneros requires time and patience to understand and achieve positive results and even the advanced users have "dud" sessions. I just got off a long streak of "dud" sesions, myself (due to a busy schedule, cold weather, etc.). Second, channel your sexual frustration and need to get off into sexual energy. Rather than feeling horny and masturbating, appreciate the feeling of arousal. Those feelings of arousal are what will give you prostate orgasms and other orgasms as they build and flow in waves. Third, don't consider an aneros sessions a waste of time. Consider it a time to relax, essentially meditate, and get in touch with yourself. Best case scenario is that you have mind-blowing orgasms while the worst case scenario is that you feel relaxed and refreshed.

The "do nothing" method generally doesn't do much for me. I like a few warmup contractions to build up some heat and feeling in the pelvic area and then I hold gentle contractions and incorporate nipple play (a lot of my orgasms are "nipple orgasms"). I usually read some stories on literotica with a picture beside them to build arousal while I do it

I began prostate stimulation almost two years ago. I bought the Helix to help with a medical condition and discovered a world of feelings I didn't know existed. I now own several models and have been on the "journey" that many write about. One of the things I recently discovered (which may help you) is the Njoy Pure wand. It is a heavy, curved steel rod that has a knack for finding the prostate and stimulating it with minimal movement. I use it before using my Aneros toys because it makes my prostate sensitive relatively quickly. Its drawback is that it's not hands-free, and doesn't seem to provide the sometimes near miraculous experiences that I've had with the Aneros devices; but it's very pleasurable in its own right and gets me in the zone much more quickly than the Aneros alone.

Agree with @prostatic. Try Njoy Pure Wand. It is a must have. After two times I got fantastic P-waves. No O's but very pleasurable. It do something good for your prostate.

But the NJoy is expensive!
Also.. I had dildos in the past and were not useful.
How would this njoy be any different?
I fear that i'd be wasting money buying this wand.

Are you guys receptive to nipple stim? I have some techniques that will help you with that. Most of my aneros sessions are actually more about nipple-o's than pure prostate o's.

I have had good feelings at some times but never came close to dry or super o's yet.

Well, keep it up.
I don't know about anyone else, but what I've found is that good feelings get stronger and more easily accessible over time. So don't get frustrated, you might not be doing anything wrong at all.
I had a terrible habit of trying to grab onto initial good feelings and trying to steer and push them towards the orgasm I wanted to feel. But that was a mistake. The sensations take their own path, and they have to be allowed to do that. To build how ever they want to build. If you're craving a traditional orgasm, I think it's going to be a distraction and a source of "impatience in the moment", where you go "Well this feels sort of nice, but what I really want to feel is this other thing". And you might not feel like you're doing this, but looking back on my own past sessions and comparing it to the level of commitment I have to the sensations now, I think it's hard to tell when you're actually doing it.
To feel sexual, and accept the small sensations as valid expressions of that, in their own right... that's tricky.
We're wired to pump hard and be in control of the pleasure ramp, (and at the risk of completely talking out of my ass...) I think we condition our whole pleasure-acceptance routine around that expectation... it's alien to us, to allow pleasure to build slowly out of nothing. And the possibility that it could happen that way is unthinkable.
The highest peaks of pleasure I've been to, weren't sudden huge spikes, but a gradual ramp. Very slowly easing into orgasm is weird, like someone turning up the pleasure dial, more and more, until you realize what you're feeling has already crossed a threshold, and the orgasm is happening now. Where with penis orgasms, the dial is turned so fast into the red, that we don't even know what the lower and medium settings feel like. Being able to stay in the moment as the dial gets very slowly turned up, without losing focus and blowing the synergy of what you have going on, requires a weirdly content mindset. Like, "Where I am now, is exactly where I need to be".

Anyway, this is all very specific to me, but I'm putting it out there in case you can take anything from it. I think how you approach a session can make a really big difference. And it's hard to see that difference until you have one of those breakthrough sessions. As with a lot of this stuff, it makes sense in hindsight, but is counter-intuitive as hell when you're traveling towards it.

I may be an exception but I don't "do" the same Aneros routine all the time. I like to "mix things up". If I need to decide on a model, I let "my body" decide which one, not me! Sometimes, I am not even going with an Aneros session at all. Take your pick: porn, erotic hypnosis, binaural beats, arousal music, Peridise, the list goes on.......

Comments from other members?

Yeah. I consider this cross-training.
Binaurals never did anything for me, but erotic hypnosis and nipple stimulation are my go-to activities when I don't feel like investing 2 hours into an aneros session and doing all the prep/cleanup.

@lonewolf8; yes the Njoy Wand is expensive. I don't no what it is - maybe the steel material. It goes smooth in and out and touch gently the prostate. It's a wonderful toy but heavy. After using it I can really feel my prostate with or without the Aneros.

Are you guys receptive to nipple stim? I have some techniques that will help you with that. Most of my aneros sessions are actually more about nipple-o's than pure prostate o's.

Would like to know your nipple stim techniques. Thanks.

@JudgeAaronSatie I don't know if I am receptive to nipple stim. Most times there's nothing happening, sometimes maybe it makes me tighten up PC muscles. What that means I don't know. Maybe your technique will help?

I was like you and have given up on aneros p-gasms as it were. I now use them as a primer as I have discovered ANAL BALLS... trust me, as with everything the is an adjustment to the size but once you get going and hit the magic number (for me it was three balls - 2 smaller and the third slightly larger) it was instant p-joy. I cum and body orgas every single time

I wasn’t always receptive to nipple stim (NS). It didn’t even appeal to me until I saw the effect it had on a girl I was fooling around with and now it's fundamental to, not just my aneros sessions, but normal masturbation too. You may find it helps. I’ll list the steps that, I think, made me receptive to it and then I’ll give a technique. These steps should not all be done in the same session but over a period of many sessions to transition from one to another (ie. doing step 1 for a couple of weeks, then step 2 for a couple of weeks). Also, these steps are not rigid, they are just the path I happened to follow. I ALWAYS wear a shirt while doing any NS.

1. Pair traditional masturbation with NS. I think this helps to associate the nipples with pleasure. I use my left hand when I masturbate while the tip of the middle finger of my right hand strokes right over my right nipple in a side to side motion. I rest my palm (basically around the base of the thumb) on my chest for support. I use moderate pressure, probably more than most people but I don’t find aggressive stimulation desensitizes them. You should do whatever feels good. I make no attempt to sync NS with stroking my penis.

2. Lie on your side and put your penis between your legs. Then, watch porn, read erotica, etc. while performing the same type of NS above with both of your hands. I lie on my left side, so my left elbow is propped on my bed for support while my right arm rests on top of me. You can gently squeeze your legs to get additional stimulation from your penis but most of the attention should be focused on your nipples. I synchronize the stroking of each nipple.

3. Do step 2 but don’t put your penis between your legs. All of the attention should be on your nipples and possibly on PC and anal contractions.

I was at this point when I purchased my first aneros model (MGX classic). The aneros brought nipple stim to new, orgasmic levels.

My general technique with the aneros is the same as step 3 but I’ll relax and warmup (deep breathing and a series of slow, light to moderate strength PC, reverse PC, and anal contractions) for about five minutes before introducing NS. Then, I’ll either perform either PC, reverse PC, or anal contractions in sync with NS. The pelvic area will become very warm and my heart rate increases. I’ll imagine that the side to side motion over my nipples is actually like stroking over my penis. That visualization often causes both nipples to feel as though they are each the head of a penis. The pleasure will grow and grow and I can ramp up arousal at this point with a fantasy or a favourite story to tip over the edge into feeling as though both nipples are ejaculating. The pleasure continues as long as I keep up the stroking and the arousal. All of this works better if I'm slightly spaced out and very aroused.

One final tip. I find that I focus more on the story, fantasy, or porn while I do this technique than the actual sensations. The sensations are one part of a sea of arousal. If I focus too much on the feelings, I end up getting frustrated and I try to force an orgasm. If I focus on the story, fantasy, or porn, (while keeping the feelings in the background) I stay aroused and the pleasure naturally ramps up.
I hope this helps.

Thanks for the info. Sorry I can't do any of this for the next 21 days - I've been instructed to take on a 21 day nofap challenge.