Finally making the connection

Wow! Six hour is a good, I might say, robust session! What I call a real marathon session. Well done, that must have felt amazing. This is really happening to you !

I get you perfectly about wanting to see what's next, our minds being one of the very last unexplored places on earth, the feeling of discovery or being a pioneer in your own mind can feel so amazing. Like you said, this is life-affirming! Thanks for sharing and take care.

Your story sounds familiar. It took me 12 or 13 years. I also discarded one...my progasm. I might have anyway, but it wasn't comfortable to get in. Maybe if I had the understanding I have today of lube? Still, wish I didn't throw it out! 

I'm happy to hear things clicking for you!  It was a year ago that I experienced a breakthrough and experienced a Super O. Wow what a feeling. I had those churnings in my pelvic region for over a week afterwards. I was having orgasmic rumblings every time I sat down...in a car, at the kitchen table, in the break room at work, on a farm tractor, and even once in a church pew. That last one was a little weird. 

I almost didn't believe it happened. It has happened to me four or five times in the last year, although nowhere near as dramatic as the first superO. I didn't know if I just dreamed the other times but for the fact that I had those same pelvic rumblings the next day or two. 

You are in a good position now...I hope you are able to cross that line and experience more wonderful things that are possible.

Posted by: @regal13

I was having orgasmic rumblings every time I sat down...in a car, at the kitchen table, in the break room at work, on a farm tractor, and even once in a church pew. That last one was a little weird. 

I don't see why, there are few better reasons to cry "Hallelujah," and "Praise Jesus!"  Our bodies are capable of so much that we aren't even aware of yet, it's amazing to think about and humbling too, that God created us with such wonderful capabilities as the Super-O! Just don't start moaning during a time of prayer... 😀

Posted by: @regal13

I almost didn't believe it happened. It has happened to me four or five times in the last year, although nowhere near as dramatic as the first superO. I didn't know if I just dreamed the other times but for the fact that I had those same pelvic rumblings the next day or two. 

You are in a good position now...I hope you are able to cross that line and experience more wonderful things that are possible.

@seekingpelican I've heard this many times and would like to echo that your next session will probably be a dud...hope I'm wrong though!  I had a great breakthrough recently (not a Super-O though) but my sessions in the following days have been more on the lackluster side.  I think I read something from Rumel recently that he only has a Super-O once in every twenty sessions. 

My advice: write everything down now while it's still fresh in your mind, so you know how to identify the feelings again later on.  If you don't already.  You've made tremendous progress so congratulate yourself for that and don't become frustrated if your expectations get in the way next time. 

@seekingpelican

Congrats! That is so special. It is wonderful to hear that people succeed at attaining this type of pleasure after so long.

@regal13 @seekingpelican

as folk who spent 10+ years trying, I imagine there were plenty of reasons you kept it up. Despite frustration, there must have been something sweet about sessions, albeit not climactic... Getting in touch with your body, spending time meditating and breathing, doing something different...? Or was it really only the carrot of mysterious orgasms stringing you along? In any case your perseverance is astonishing. As someone who had a significantly shorter initial rewiring, i can’t tell you if I would have been as patient, though I imagine I wouldn’t have been.  

Posted by: @faith-manages

@seekingpelican I've heard this many times and would like to echo that your next session will probably be a dud...hope I'm wrong though! 

When I inserted my progasm last night I thought to myself "this is going nowhere".  I just didn't feel much desire.  I got into my hottub, feeling kinda sleepy, and squatted myself down.  As soon as my knees bent my penis started growing, and growing, and growing.  It got so hard I thought the tip was going to split like a sausage bursting on a hot grill.  My PC muscles hammered down on the prograsm without any input or permission from me.  The pain was exquisite.  It just kept building and building, and I was begging for orgasm.  The amount of pleasure was insane...but I still did not go over the top!  When that I subsided, I felt like I was in shock.  All I could do was wallow in the tub for another 4 hours, letting p-wave after wave just wash over me, with periodic muscle-quaking mini-o's.

I'm shivering just thinking about it!  I feel really blessed to be walking this path.

@seekingpelican

That sounds like another incredible session.

maybe you are expecting an “superorgasm” to be the same type of release as an ejaculatory orgasm? In my experience it isn’t the same, rather it is just an amount of pleasure that can’t be any higher (until it is!!). The kettle is boiling, but no one is pouring the precious water out. In any case, just follow your pleasure. Make noise with it. Express yourself. Make love to yourself. Your in the zone now!

@seekingpelican

Take the following with a grain of salt, I have some unorthodox views and tend to get carried away, but I think this can help you reach the next level :

Awesome progress ! Want to get over the top ? There is no top my friend, that's the beauty of this. You determine your own top by your approach, you got the physical part locked down, the rest is in your mind. Lower that top, and *bam* you're already over it. Simple as that.

You'll have to let go eventually, you can always fly higher and higher but unless you jump before the plane lands, it's just a plane ride and you get back on the ground with your parachute still neatly folded in your pack. 

If you're like me, you may be able to ramp up and up and up... a lot higher than what you need to trigger a Super-O, which I now get is different than just trying to break the dam. It's possible for the pleasure to be so great that you are afraid to let go, that apprehension will stop you from doing the mental switch to the Super-O.

Try adding more relaxation to what you're doing, see where it leads, and try to let go earlier in your pleasure build-up. It's counter intuitive, it's going to take some effort, you might even have to ramp-down. That was one of the key for me, could be all you need to go even further. Take care and good luck in the final frontier! 

@zentai @divine_oblivion

Thank you so much for your guidance and help with this.  I've stumbled this far...I am confident that I can stumble the rest of the way there 😀

I have been having Aneros sessions for 1.5 years without any great pleasure yet. This week I decided to start using my Fleshlight to ramp up arousal before riding my Aneros.

Two days ago was the first time I tried this, I used my Fleshlight, then rode my Helix and the pleasure was definitely amplified compared to anything I’ve ever felt. Yesterday, I used the Fleshlight again and rode my Progasm for a session that wasn’t as good as the day before, but still decent.

Now, today was supposed to be a rest and recovery day, but I was feeling really horny, so I had a short A-less session and had the best precum I have ever had. You know, the kind where it is a long string with beads of fluid in the middle? OMG, my cock has been getting hard all day and I feel fantastic! I definitely feel like I am heading in the right direction.

Posted by: @divine_o

@regal13 @seekingpelican

as folk who spent 10+ years trying, I imagine there were plenty of reasons you kept it up. Despite frustration, there must have been something sweet about sessions, albeit not climactic... Getting in touch with your body, spending time meditating and breathing, doing something different...? Or was it really only the carrot of mysterious orgasms stringing you along? In any case your perseverance is astonishing. As someone who had a significantly shorter initial rewiring, i can’t tell you if I would have been as patient, though I imagine I wouldn’t have been.  

 

Don't you know there were reasons! This came up in a recent thread and I shared a little of my story. First of all, I was a serious hard head back then. For me to seriously take ten deep, mindful, relaxing breaths was just not going to happen. I made a few half hearted efforts, but I just didn't have it in me. I didn't get it. What I did get was a bulletproof erection when the MGX was inserted. It supercharged traditional orgasms. I still wasn't sure about the hype, maybe the other model would do it for me. I ended up with a Helix and a progasm. I only recently made good friends with the Helix...I had different feelings toward the progasm. Inserting it hurt, and was difficult, but it was a nice feeling after it was in. Consequently, I threw it out. The other two stayed in a box for some years. They even survived a fire. That was a close call in more ways than one... different story, different day.

I am not sure what triggered me to start down the Super O path,  but I just started doing kegal exercises at work. For some reason they felt good. I started thinking there might be something to this, so I started trying to breathe with the exercises. Things just started moving. I had a mini o at work and my knees almost buckled. I had a stronger o in the car on my way home after that. That left me oddly giggling and in a different state. I knew for certain there was something more to it after that...I was a leaky mess down there! 

I went to the stash after that and brought out the Aneros toys. Nothing special right off, but I was noticing more sensations than I used to. I had also realized it might just be wise to listen to advice and not give myself a happy ending to a session. I read everything I could and it didn't sound so woo woo now that I had some interesting experiences motivating me. It still took me a month or so after all those experiences, but when it hit, it hit. There was absolutely no question what was happening to me. It was, finally, the most unbelievable experience of my whole middle aged life.

I have always been a slow learner, but I contemplate a lot about stuff I've heard or read. It is not uncommon for me to pick up on something years after first introduction to the idea if a need arises. I am happy this practice--whatever we call it--finally clicked with me at least somewhat. I have had my struggle with it, but this past year has opened doors and windows to places I have thoroughly enjoyed and hope to see more of in the upcoming years.

@faith-manages

You're right, it does feel like a reason to sing praise, and the way it all went down for me was quite humbling. It was and is complicated. I am in a sexless marriage, defined as 10 or less times per year. That's the way we started out and went downhill from there. I couldn't count ten times in the last three years. Our youngest son took once, I thought she was thawing some, so I tried again the next night and it was a hell no ain't happnin' scenario. I'm a family man who has walked on eggshells for years. I'm not willing to bust my children's home. It is theirs. But as time has progressed, I have had a big picture window view of her and her family's history. I'm not sure she is capable of more. (I don't know how to tell my boys not to marry a woman who suffered once with anorexia and is medicated for OCD. If the loving doesn't come easy with that stacked against it, it will be a difficult marriage. Basically don't look to marry your mom) Not intended to be a downer here, please don't take it that way, I'm okay here. 

But set that weight on my shoulders, sit me in a church that taught me that sex was beautiful and glorious, a window into the eternal exchange of love that is the Holy Trinity, and such a beautiful thing should be cherished and preserved so you can share yourself whole, freely, fruitfully, joyfully with the one you marry. Then you find that the one you marry, who you thought was taught in the same fashion, actually was pretty much told that sex was bad and we just don't do it. Yeah, it's hard to believe I didn't understand this before tying the knot, but I was misled. 

Now I'm sitting in this pew reflecting on one of the most seemingly spiritual experiences of my life...not that I had a choice but to think about it because my prostate was still thumping and p-waves were still spontaneously happening. I was about to bust out laughing because I now believed the crazy story I read of a man who went to the doc for having too many prostate orgasms! He couldn't stop them! And I was there feeling like I was going to either levitate or vibrate to the end of the pew!  I didn't really think either could happen, but at this point I wasn't sure! Those p-waves were very strong and I couldn't ignore them. It was at the time a very different world experience. So, yeah, I'm supposed to be feeling this with my wife ideally, but she wants no part of any kind of sex, and I just kicked the lid off this box that I can basically meditate myself into the most killer orgasm ever known and I can't share it with her. I'm pretty sure that this practice without her participating would not fit in the rubric of the faith of my childhood, but I am about to laugh again because they sure as hades didn't ever bring that one up specifically!  It was weird. I hope some of you can laugh with me on this 'cause I look like a crazy mess. 

All seriousness, this practice can get weird. Some guys have talked about seeing colors and kaleidoscope like visions, I saw picasso painting like visions of my old girlfriend and other things I couldn't make out.

Enjoy this blessing Regal.  No doubt your rewiring is the goodness of God to you for your faithfulness and suffering.  I want to get where you are with the rewiring and yes, all good and perfect things are from above. To the pure, all things are pure.  Hope and pray your experiences are above the experiences of most here.  You deserve it for your deep convictions.  i rejoice with you.

@regal13

Posted by: @regal13

I don't know how to tell my boys not to marry a woman who suffered once with anorexia and is medicated for OCD.

Thanks for telling your story. I am fascinated by your description of how you two had almost opposite ideas of sexuality coming from the same religion.

I think the best thing to do to make sure one is on the same page with a partner (or potential partner) is to be ultra informed about one's own sexuality and about sexuality in general, and to be able to talk about sex with partners. 

I am not saying this to criticize you. Your situation is completely understandable. It happens all the time, and even the horniest couples are prone to post-natal bed death. I admire people that hold the well-being of their children above their own (sexual, in this case) well-being. I couldn't do that, and thus I will never have children.

The reason I am saying this is in response to what you said above. The best thing you can do for your kids is make sure they get a good sexual education. Send them to school where that is provided. Answer questions they ask. Provide them with resources. I don't mean get them an aneros toy on their 14 birthday (why not? maybe in 100 years...). But get them books appropriate for their age that talk about sexuality. If they are old enough, there is a show called Sex Education on netflix which is an excellent overview of teenage-college sexuality in all it's forms, and it's entertaining. The better equipped they are, the more likely it is they will be able to express their desires (or non-desires, if they end up following in their mother's shoes). There is nothing wrong with wanting or not wanting sexual intimacy, but after knowing what one wants, the next most important step is communication. 

And really you ought to tell your kids your story when they are old enough and before they embark on a relationship with kids in view.  They might not want to hear it (gross, dad), but that is some serious wisdom coming from their own father, who loves them enough to put their comfort growing up above his own sexual intimacy.  My parents have told me bits of wisdom from their lives, regrets and such, and I really take them to heart, because I know we are similar.

@regal13 I agree with a lot of Divine_O's sentiment.  Even if you don't know how to talk to your children about these issues, it's important that you try.  Even if it's awkward, even if you don't know how to bring it up, even if they don't want to talk...especially if they don't want to talk!  Please try.  And keep trying!  I think it's important that you take responsibility for this yourself instead of leaving it to schools, the television, the library, et al.  Your story is powerful, moving, and I'm sorry for how your marriage has turned out.  I honor your decision to stick it out, something my own parents didn't have the strength or courage to do, and I pray that God will continue to honor you for that.  I really hope that things improve in your relationship with your wife but if nothing else you have the opportunity here to ensure that it stops with you; don't let it carry on another generation. 

It's really neat to see some fellow spiritual men on this journey! I too am in a largely sexless marriage but we are both good with this. We had problems early on with conception and that set the stage. My wife would most likely agree to sex any time I ask for it and I likewise agree to it if she asks but we just don't make it a huge priority. Blessings to you all!

Friends, this has turned into a deep discussion and I, as usual have a million thoughts I have to edit down to something worth writing or reading. I don't know how spiritual I am anymore...I really don't know, that's a journey also. There are a lot of good thoughts here that deserve some reply from me since so many of you have responded generously to my posts, but it's hitting kind of deep and I gotta do some thinking!

I'm with you Regal and am looking forward to reading whatever you come back with!

I am excited to share an update on my own personal progress.

Since my 'breakthrough' on December 1 & 2, I settled into a plateau where nothing really was happening other than relaxing p-waves.  I figured that was a natural consequence of daily aneros usage, and read some great advice on aneros frequency on the forum.  However, given the pandemic and the interminable nights of December, my modest plateau sessions have become the key to my quarantine sanity as it has given me something sweet to look forward to.  Most nights the sessions started (with my progasm) at 9, lasted for two hours, and left inserted while I slept; then another hour or so of internal massage when I awoke.  On top of this, an occasional noon quicky with the Eupho or Helix.  I mean, damn, that's a ton of Aneros time, but I found that it soothed and silenced all the anxious monkey-chatter in my head, and such a pause was worth indulging even if it didn't really go anywhere else.  As Elias says in "Platoon", 'feeling good is good enough.'

Last night, the Progasm resumed the position at 10 pm. I skipped the workout and went straight to sleep.  I awoke at midnight fairly covered in sweat.  I really hate sweating in my sheets, yet I found myself in a very peaceful and accepting state and began spreading the sweat all over my body with my hands.  Warmth and tingling spread throughout.  My toes felt strangely erotic.  I rubbed my fingers through my hair and then put them in my mouth to caress my tongue and the insides of my cheeks.  If we can reference astrological tropes, I'm a stereotypical Virgo, so indulging in sweaty sheets and sucking my fingers is pretty f**king weird for me.

If a great meal or massage is the first floor, then sex is the second floor.  Rolling on m*** would be my third floor.  For the first time in my life, I then stepped onto the fourth floor, with brief flashes of a mysterious fifth.  The pleasure that washed over me was simply impossible, and just can't be put into words.

Two people here told me that there is no 'over the top' so I should stop looking for it.  This advice popped into my head, and then I had the weird idea to try to stop the pleasure.  With every mental attempt to stop the pleasure I was clobbered with even more pleasure.  There was no escaping this vortex of ecstasy.  Howling, crying, and bizarre primal animal growls came up from my core.  I have *never* experienced anything remotely like this.  Three hours went by, and I honestly cannot account for that much time passing.

Out of curiosity, I revisited (for the 100th time) the 'Super-O' wiki page to see how this event lined up.  I experienced everything there with the exception of 'flashes of color' and notably 'strong sense of ejaculation (with no emission)'.  The most interesting development, I think, is that I no longer feel the need to chase the 'Super-O', where previously it was my aneros use-defining white whale; something to be chased and captured.  I absorbed the intuitive sense that this building is 100 floors and beyond, with me having only briefly peeked at the fifth, and I am beyond eager to explore it further.

Mkayyy...time to wash the bedding.  Thanks to all who have guided me, whether you know you've aided me or not.  I'm profoundly grateful and indebted.

@seekingpelican

That's awesome, very happy for you my friend! That's quite an achievement, so you should also congratulate yourself, you have every right to be proud of this. 

As one of the "there's no top to get over" guys, I feel a compulsion to pick your brain about that subject. What's your opinion on it now that you managed to reach a Super-O with such spectacular results, is there a top at all? Did you "go over" something? And finally, did you have to ramp-up your arousal at all vs the level you were at when you felt yourself getting close some days ago? 

Trying to stop the pleasure is a strategy that I use sometimes, the way things happened for you, you were clearly in the "rough seas" were relaxation is not really an option, and surrendering is the only choice (they're not the same!), what you did is a great way to see "where you stand", that's a great tool you found there. In a calm seas buildup, the same method allows me to just stop building and ride the plateau at the level I want, and well, I know I'm not headed into rough seas.

The pleasure that washed over me was simply impossible, and just can't be put into words.

Very last question, if that is just a glimpse of level 5, are there really a hundred levels to that building? Are the levels linear or exponential ?

Take care, and take it easy! 

Posted by: @zentai

@seekingpelican

That's awesome, very happy for you my friend! That's quite an achievement, so you should also congratulate yourself, you have every right to be proud of this. 

As one of the "there's no top to get over" guys, I feel a compulsion to pick your brain about that subject. What's your opinion on it now that you managed to reach a Super-O with such spectacular results, is there a top at all? Did you "go over" something? And finally, did you have to ramp-up your arousal at all vs the level you were at when you felt yourself getting close some days ago? 

Trying to stop the pleasure is a strategy that I use sometimes, the way things happened for you, you were clearly in the "rough seas" were relaxation is not really an option, and surrendering is the only choice (they're not the same!), what you did is a great way to see "where you stand", that's a great tool you found there. In a calm seas buildup, the same method allows me to just stop building and ride the plateau at the level I want, and well, I know I'm not headed into rough seas.

The pleasure that washed over me was simply impossible, and just can't be put into words.

Very last question, if that is just a glimpse of level 5, are there really a hundred levels to that building? Are the levels linear or exponential ?

Take care, and take it easy! 

 

 

 

Hey Zentai!

When I had my 'breakthrough' at the beginning of the month, it really felt like I was building up to an orgasm, and when I couldn't push myself 'over the top' the session ended with me feeling a bit frustrated and hungry for more.

This time around it felt like an all-encompassing bath of bliss.  My whole body was soaked in the feeling.  As I am new to this, sex to me is strongly associated with the crescendo of orgasm, but this of course is so very different (as I am learning).  Even though there isn't a final resolution (just a slow tapering to baseline) every part of me felt reborn and calm and peaceful and relaxed. 

As far as '100 floors' go, I really have no idea!  It's so hard to describe, but the important point for me is that I have internalized the fact that there is no peak to summit.  I just feel like I have this internal knowledge that the rewards are without limit, even though I only have the one actual experience under my belt.  I hope I am making some sense...I am just coming to grips with all this myself so language fails me.

Damn, I am so happy right now.  It's a hell of a door to open.

Posted by: @zentai

Very last question, if that is just a glimpse of level 5, are there really a hundred levels to that building? Are the levels linear or exponential ?

The ineffability of the Super-O experience, perhaps, may be thought about as more than 'levels' of pleasure but as layered states of mind, with muti-dimensional aspects. Space, time, place, set and setting, emotions, beliefs, fears... our entire psyche is at play in those moments. So rather than think we need to be going up a level, perhaps, we should think to expand our state of mind into those other aspects, developing an awareness of the multiple layers which already exist within our own psyches.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel

You're absolutely right, it's far from being as simple as a number, level, height or any such simple description. I worked so much with line graphs that I can't stop myself from using them as a mental representation, ramps up, plateaux... @seekingpelican was seeing it more as climbing a building, and it's strange that we can keep that image of going higher, while also accepting that there is (maybe) no top, so in fact any scale we use is pretty meaningless in a way. These are just fun things to think about, I don't know if I'll ever let go of all my mental maps and representations, as I'm always refining them. Thinking more in term of states of mind, like you suggest, might be a way to go while bringing less "baggage" on the trip. 

@seekingpelican I'll be very curious to know how you "see" your progress as you continue to explore more of these feelings. Thanks a lot for answering my questions ! 

Posted by: @rumel

Posted by: @zentai

Very last question, if that is just a glimpse of level 5, are there really a hundred levels to that building? Are the levels linear or exponential ?

The ineffability of the Super-O experience, perhaps, may be thought about as more than 'levels' of pleasure but as layered states of mind, with muti-dimensional aspects. Space, time, place, set and setting, emotions, beliefs, fears... our entire psyche is at play in those moments. So rather than think we need to be going up a level, perhaps, we should think to expand our state of mind into those other aspects, developing an awareness of the multiple layers which already exist within our own psyches.

Good Vibes to You!

I really resonate with what @rumel said here. There are emotional and spiritual doors that the Super-O unlocks and really catapults you right through if you accept it. It's such a psychological experience that fuses the body with the soul, when you cum and all that pleasure floods you.

@regal13 I'm definitely interested to hear your thoughts on your situation, a conversation that should absolutely continue and deserves its own separate thread!  Please start one and let us know, I'm sure we're all interested. 

@seekingpelican I'm excited for you and really intrigued by how you are describing your experiences.  Please keep formulating!  Talking about the building with infinite floors had me thinking about a diagram in Chia's The Multiorgasmic Man.  I included a pic I found though sadly it's pretty lo-res. Of course the diagram resembles a staircase more than a multilevel structure, but I wonder if there is any correlation there. 

Posted by: @seekingpelican

If a great meal or massage is the first floor, then sex is the second floor.  Rolling on m*** would be my third floor.  For the first time in my life, I then stepped onto the fourth floor, with brief flashes of a mysterious fifth. 

Congratulations on your wild night of pleasure, and surely to many more to come!

Like others say there aren’t necessarily floors. There is a continuous flow in one or another direction, or as Rumel said, expansion. However you want to phrase it, it is life encompassing. Perhaps it will seep into your eating, and surely it will seep into your sex, as it will into other aspects of your life. It might alter your connection with the elements, with the arts, and with fellow humans and animals.

On a side note, if you do molly occasionally, i am curious to know what your experience with it is in respect to prostate play. Since I have started this journey, everything to do with my sexuality feels like I’m on molly times much more. And paradoxically molly numbs me now, it feels nothing like it did before my journey began. Obviously this is fine with me, I’m just really curious about others’ experiences in the matter.

Posted by: @faith-manages

@regal13 I'm definitely interested to hear your thoughts on your situation, a conversation that should absolutely continue and deserves its own separate thread!  Please start one and let us know, I'm sure we're all interested. 

@seekingpelican I'm excited for you and really intrigued by how you are describing your experiences.  Please keep formulating!  Talking about the building with infinite floors had me thinking about a diagram in Chia's The Multiorgasmic Man.  I included a pic I found though sadly it's pretty lo-res. Of course the diagram resembles a staircase more than a multilevel structure, but I wonder if there is any correlation there. 

 

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Thanks @faith-manages !  I actually have a copy of this book on my e-reader and am looking forward to diving in as soon as I finish my current book.  Cheers!

@divine_o  Thank you for your guidance.  I am absorbing your (and Rumel's) input on my 'floor' analogy.  It's like I just opened a treasure chest, and am dazzled by the sheer impact over everything inside.  Over time, I will surely become more familiar with the individual nuances and dimensions of all the pieces inside.

Concerning molly, I am a somewhat rare bird in that I've never taken it in a party setting.  Rather I take it alone and spend the journey in meditation and contemplation (as with any psychedelic).  In September, while under her influence, I had a vision that said 'this is your root' and could see all the vibrant energy flows swirling about that area.  It was after that initiation that I finally (after 10 years of sporadic trying) made some progress with the aneros; that it started to make sense.  After 3 months of focus and practice, I finally had my first super o.