Dream link.

I dream a lot but remember only bits and pieces.  I never really linked my dreams to Aneros use but it's an interesting subject.

@ggringo

Well this all only became prevalent after i began the journey.

@helghast, I never really made the connection between Aneros and my dreams.  I can't remember how active my dreams were before I started my journey over 5 1/2 years ago.  Let's hope other members will chime in.

I do however dream of an Aneros Super-O all the time if that counts LOL!

@ggringo

All dreams count my friend! 🙂

Like I mentioned elsewhere, I do have some pretty crazy dreams/nightmares. The first link I see between Super-Os and dreams, is that I think the very big Os do something to my REM sleep, because I don't dream afterwards, or maybe I'm dreaming during the session? The nights I don't have sessions, dreams are pretty much "normal". 

It's very hard for me to say if things would have been different otherwise because I've been experimenting with Super-Os since I was 18 or so, and not much later I started with Aneros, but I've always been a pretty prolific dreamer, including daydreaming. Science says the brain is not fully developed until you reach 25, and I often wonder if all those Super-Os caused some subtle but permanent change. I don't think it's likely, but it's fun to reflect on this. 

I'm pretty certain that a change in you dreams pattern later in life and your Super-O success are linked, I don't know how this would work but you don't need much more evidence in my opinion.

Wow. what a coincidence.

I just spoke to my friend about my journey and he said he just began a journey to lucid dreaming.

I did not achieve any super O yet and he did not lucid dream yet, so you are our 2 dreams combined.

@prostatenoob69

I'm sure both of you will achieve you goals, just keep working at it. I'm pretty sure Super-Os are easier than lucid dreams, the later being a lot more abstract in execution from what I know on the subject. 

I don't have lucid dreams in the classic sense, because I don't have any control on what is happening, but they're incredibly vivid as I get the complete range of "real" emotions and sensations. Sometimes it's not a good thing, sometimes it's great. I'm too busy with Super-Os to work on the "lucid" part, I think it might be either one or the other for me as I already have a ton of hobbies and I'm not ready to jump into another just yet, and I'm not certain I have enough patience to solve yet another complex mind puzzle right now. 

Good luck to you and your friend! 

Ooops just realized that maybe (probably) you were answering Helghast's original post and not my reply, maybe he's more in the lucid side of things and can offer more details here, sorry about that...

Another interesting coincidence...

I don't always remember my dreams, but last night I dreamed for the first time that I was having an Aneros session. After two years of practice. I even felt a slight pleasure, the beginning of an orgasm in my dream.

Otherwise, I did not notice any correlation between my practice of prostate massage and my dreams.

@zentai

Well,I’m not working on the dreams,they’ve just came about since I started the journey.

@helghast

I got that, but if they continue to evolve you'll have some hints to share about the different ways to navigate them, or maybe you'll gain more understanding on the ways they're linked with the Super-O ?

To me it's fascinating that you went form not remembering dreams to having super clear ones, and that it happened from having orgasms. You got to admit that's both wild and super cool ! 

@zentai Yes it’s super weird,very rarely in adult life did I remember dreams,or if I did,only vague snapshots. Now they are so lucid,they’re practically real. For example,one night I dreamed I cut a tree down at the end of my garden. When I woke,and went to that bathroom,i actually opened the window to look out and see whether I’d cut it down or not lol.

I guess harnessing more brain activity,chemicals,neural ‘bandwidth’ must close the gap between the conscious and the sub conscious parts of us. 

@morexp

It may be just a coincidence,but it’s just a bit eerie to me. This seems connected to the journey,at least in my case. Fuck knows what it means lol.

It seems like there is confusion in this discussion as to what a lucid dream actually is... I have very little knowledge myself, but lucid dreaming is a very particular and rare type of dreaming, in a different realm than vivid dreams.  I have read multiple definitions, but it seems to mean dreams in which the dreamer has a fair amount of control, kinda like a video game.

I have always remembered dreams in phases?  I have generally vivid dreams when I remember them, and occasional lucid dreams, or moments of lucidity.  I often decide to fly when I realize I am dreaming, because fuck yeah, who doesn't want to fly when given the occasion.  But more often than not the awareness that I am dreaming comes close to the moment I wake up, so I don't have time to do much.

I have noticed no change in dreams, but about 8 months after starting aneros, I started playing around with my hypnagogic state.  I don't know if it is related, and it could also be related to my experiences with DMT which precluded my discoveries by a month or so.  In any case, sometimes while falling asleep I can stay in a hypnagogic state for a while, watching images dance in front of my eyelids while I float on a blissful cloud (sorta like dmt hallucinations, which is why I think there might be a connection).  I have more or less control in these moments, kinda like my moments of lucidity in dreams.

Posted by: @divine_o

It seems like there is confusion in this discussion as to what a lucid dream actually is... I have very little knowledge myself, but lucid dreaming is a very particular and rare type of dreaming, in a different realm than vivid dreams.  I have read multiple definitions, but it seems to mean dreams in which the dreamer has a fair amount of control, kinda like a video game.

Yep yep you're right about this, it's the approved definition and the one that I think makes the most sense.  That's why I noted I don't have truly lucid dreams, sometimes I know I'm dreaming but don't have any control and can't wake up, most of the times they're just super vivid, to the point of having to check in the "real world" if I did or didn't do something, like @helghast with his tree. Sucks when it's about paying a bill and you don't remember if you did it or dreamed it... 

I know one guy personally who has an "alternate life" within his dreams, yet this doesn't carry over to his real life skills. For example in his dreams he owns a small car which he bought after years of "dream saving his dream money", but he doesn't drive in real life. Basically his dreams are 100% lucid and they flow from one episode to the next on a real timeline. Pretty crazy stuff. He didn't train for this and don't know why it happens. Also he doesn't dream every night. 

I know you mentioned hypnagogic states before, are these just pre-dreams or something else entirely ? 

@divine_o I can only apologise for not being clued up on the subject,I’d assumed lucid was just very vivid,clear and realistic. No,I don’t get to play or have control in my dreams. Just that I remember them in great detail like the day,they feel like memories rather than dreams and hard to tell apart from reality.

@zentai 

I wonder could I get to the lucid stage of having some sort of control. Sometimes I do things in my dreams,like make choices,but I’m not sure I’m actually controlling them.

@helghast

Probably, there's forums for this, too! I could do it sometimes as a kid, today not so much, I just get the vivid ones like you do. Always struggled with sleep issues, which I think makes me fall in REM sleep quicker or right away, hence the dreams. 

@zentai

I don’t struggle with sleep,I love it because I grow when I sleep 😉 he he. I might check out some forums on it.

@helghast no proble, just clearing that confusion up!  The next time you see that the world isn't right, see if you are in fact dreaming.  If so, try and take control from there! 

Posted by: @zentai

I know one guy personally who has an "alternate life" within his dreams, yet this doesn't carry over to his real life skills. For example in his dreams he owns a small car which he bought after years of "dream saving his dream money", but he doesn't drive in real life. Basically his dreams are 100% lucid and they flow from one episode to the next on a real timeline.

That's so awesome.

Posted by: @zentai

I know you mentioned hypnagogic states before, are these just pre-dreams or something else entirely ? 

Something else entirely?  They aren't normal dreams in that they aren't distorted replications of reality.  More of a trance-like state with mostly indescribable colors, lights and forms, often a very cottony sensation when I become aware of my body...

Posted by: @divine_o

That's so awesome.

I thought this was pretty unique, then another guy told me about one of his friend who's a luthier in his dreams and designs new instruments. He has absolutely no interest in this when awake and never felt the urge to build anything, so again, it doesn't translate to "real life". I do feel like it would be something really cool to experiment ! In both instances, I can't believe they're not curious enough to see if they could use this dream knowledge in some way, but maybe that lack of curiosity comes with having that ability in the first place?  

Posted by: @divine_o

Something else entirely?  They aren't normal dreams in that they aren't distorted replications of reality.  More of a trance-like state with mostly indescribable colors, lights and forms, often a very cottony sensation when I become aware of my body...

Got it! I might be tempted to look this up and give it a try, but I never "drift off to sleep" and I feel like it's pretty important requirement to achieve this state... I think I do get the same during some Super-O experiences, visual hallucinations, I'd need to see if it matches. 

I once started to learn and try and do lucid dreaming. I quickly stopped... dreams are fucked up.. sure some are good but some are bad and makes sleep terrible. The more you try and remember dreams the more you will. 

@jiji2000

I get you, I've seen some... stuff. Not "horror movie" scary, "existential dread" scary where I was afraid of going to sleep for days afterwards. But I'm sure it doesn't happen to everyone, and the good dreams make it worth it. Just like the Aneros "bad trips", after some time I find that it's a positive experience in hindsight and teaches me valuable things about myself. But like Terror at the Gates, the fear itself is real, and being truly scared about something just doesn't feel very good, nothing much we can do about this.   

My only true O which is far beyond anything I have heard described in these forums, started in a dream, the pleasure was as if I was literally plugged into a light socket with a dimmer switch, which was slowly being turned up. I woke up my abs locked and my prostate being elecrified, it would stop long enough for me to take a breath, and then it would start at the peak of the last wave, and go even higher, this went on for a couple minutes. I have been chasing this since the day it happened. Its one of the reasons I haven't given up on this journey, as I am yet to have a proper O of any kind, though my sessions do get better and better, my hope is this is where its heading.

when I was young, as I fell asleep my wall would fill with all kind of faces mostly cartoon and super heroes, all I had to do was pick one  and I would dream about or be that character in a dream of which I was not in control of. I fly in most of my dreams, it is normal. I hope not to remember my dreams as its like a different life in another dimention, and if I remember, its like working a another shift after just finishing one.When ever I realize I am dreaming, I try as fast as I can to conjure up me fucking Sophia Loren, my all time 10. Unfortunetly I usually wake the instant I realize I am dreaming. Or it turns into sleep paralysis, which is the scariest thing you will ever exp. The key to having a lucid dream if you wish to try it is to try and catch yourself btwn. sleep and awake. This is where you can control it remember you can have the full experience in a thousanth of a second , you see it and feel all of it from beginning to end in an instant. If you you fall into paralysis consentrate on moving any part of your body, a toe, your eye anything to wake you up. many people have extreme other presence exps. when this goes south.

@divine_o

Posted by: @divine_o

I have noticed no change in dreams, but about 8 months after starting aneros, I started playing around with my hypnagogic state.  I don't know if it is related, and it could also be related to my experiences with DMT which precluded my discoveries by a month or so.

If I remember correctly, hypnagogic states produce images similar to those produced by certain psychedelic drugs such as DMT or LSD and they occur just as one falls asleep.

Salvador Dali, the famous Catalan painter, used these images for inspiration. To remember this, you must not fall asleep. So he would sit on a stool with his arms on his knees and hold a spoon between his fingers. When he fell asleep, he dropped the spoon into a metal bucket that he had placed at the foot of the stool. The noise made by the spoon woke him up and he remembered the hypnagogic images.

@zentai

Great way to think like that 

@jiji2000

I don't have much choice, as I don't decide what my dreams will be about, so I just accept them as my mind "taking out the trash" sometimes. Last night I had 4 distinct dreams, 3 I remember vaguely and the other is just gone. One was a zombie-themed thing and more funny than scary, the other was me going trough a real-world scenario and reacting just like I would have in the "real world",  the 3rd one was erotic in nature but not very intense. So not a bad run.  

@zentai

Posted by: @zentai

One was a zombie-themed thing

Watching too much walking dead on Amazon lol Are you sure your old enough young man? 😉

@helghast

Believe it or not, I never watched a single Walking Dead episode in my life! This was pretty random, sometimes there's an easy explanation for a dream's theme, not for this one, it was just silly entertainment. I'm at least old enough for the X-rated dreams, else I wouldn't have them because this would be Against The Law (TM)  

@morexp

Thank you for that wonderful anecdote about Dali!

for those looking to explore hypnagogic states, I recommend earplugs and eye covers or shutters to block out any noise and light.  It is as close to sensory deprivation as one can get in the bedroom, and I just read a study saying that sensory deprivation can bring on hallucinations. I myself fall asleep with earplugs and shutters closed...