Contemplation of God, Sex, Origin, Universe, Meaning of Life

What you call the "original mind" sounds very much like Jung's concept of the "collective unconscious". It's definitely a threat to the conventional religions.

One of the things some shamans and meditators believe, is that the spirit world is present everywhere, kind of like a giant blob. (I'm trying hard not to think of the 1950s horror movie of the same name. 🙂 ) Each of us inherits a little piece of the blob when we are born, and that piece returns to the blob when we die.

Unfortunately, this theory does not explain why humans do so many un-god-like things.

Optimus, why do you think we humans do evil? Isn't the better question " Why do we desire to do un-god-like things?"

This is how I see it. We have free will. Sometimes we want ourselves to be happy even if it means costing someone else their happiness. That's because we lack the connection that I believe we lost from the beginning of time. A connection that would allow us to more deeply feel another person's pain. If we felt pain through someone else, we would not want to bring pain to them. Many religions have a "Pandora's Box" story. But, that's a subject for a highly religious debate. More importantly, I believe we make bad decisions because we have free will. That's the big difference between us and animals. Animals have no free will and are purely instinctive. You raise and abuse a dog and it will turn out bad. It is slave to its circumstance. We humans are not. Some kids are abused but find it in themselves to not let circumstance ruin the rest of their life. They can determine to be good, to not want such pain put onto others that they have experienced.

Thanks so much Korkelz!

Great beings men!

Back later...

AF

Optimus, why do you think we humans do evil? Isn't the better question " Why do we desire to do un-god-like things?"

This is how I see it. We have free will. Sometimes we want ourselves to be happy even if it means costing someone else their happiness. That's because we lack the connection that I believe we lost from the beginning of time. A connection that would allow us to more deeply feel another person's pain. If we felt pain through someone else, we would not want to bring pain to them. Many religions have a "Pandora's Box" story. But, that's a subject for a highly religious debate. More importantly, I believe we make bad decisions because we have free will. That's the big difference between us and animals. Animals have no free will and are purely instinctive. You raise and abuse a dog and it will turn out bad. It is slave to its circumstance. We humans are not. Some kids are abused but find it in themselves to not let circumstance ruin the rest of their life. They can determine to be good, to not want such pain put onto others that they have experienced.

This is a really hard question, seeing as how theologians have been debating this for (what?) 5000+ years!

I suspect that free will increases as you climb the evolutionary ladder. I have known highly-intelligent dogs (usually of the shepherd variety) that seem to be able to sense their owner's moods, and want to please them. That seems like a degree of free will.

In any case, when Spirit is put into these isolated boxes we call bodies, it creates a bad situation: we're unable to act on what others know and feel. Perhaps this means that, ultimately, the human race will be unsuccessful?

I have known highly-intelligent dogs (usually of the shepherd variety) that seem to be able to sense their owner's moods.

Very interesting. Maybe I'm wrong about the lack of free will in animals, but can an animal ever be evil? I've heard of stories where an elephant will prey on humans just to kill them, but I'm sure it was provoked. Documentary on National Geographic, I believe. Howerer, I remember watching on the Discovery Channel (maybe?) about an ape that had very human traits to the point where he attempted to rape his keeper (woman). Still, probably not out of evil.

Theologians have debated this for 5000+ years? Maybe that's because they are trying to answer the "why" which is impossible because it was an accident. There is no "why" for evil. For Theists: I believe God created the universe and then pushed a big red start button (the big bang?). He couldn't predict that his creation would come in conflict, creating a situation that harbored the development of jealousy, the whole Adam and Eve (first human ancestors) story, where the Angel Lucifer (Satan) imbued Eve with evil through a spiritual sexual relationship after Lucifer became Jealous of the love God had for humans. God needed an angel to raise Adam and Eve from birth, you see. Lucifer lead Eve astray, Eve went to Adam instead of God for help. Eve then acted like Lucifer in that she seduced Adam, they got together, further exchanging the ability for evil. The damage was done, and God desperately looked for a way out, nothing worked. Hundreds of thousands of years later, Jesus came, he got thrown on the cross, and here we are.

Even the Adam and Eve story lacks a lot of detail. What about inbreeding? How could there only be two humans at one time? And if there were more humans at the time, then how could the evil of one couple ruin everyone? And God wouldn't really need an angel to take care of them, they could be raised by animals (but then that might cause brain development problems). I also think it's safe to say that we humans weren't just created out of dust. Possibly evolved out of a primate.

Sorry, I am trying to be non-theistic with this, but then do true Atheists even believe in evil? If there's no God to judge you or no afterlife, then who's to say one man overpowering another man for selfish gains is actually evil?

Well, I don't think our bodies are "spirit boxes." It's simply that we humans have lost the connection to that part of us that would allow us to be more connected.

I find this a mind-blowing thread worth bringing forward. Korkelz, you are certainly not an atheist. Perhaps, more like me, who considers himself agnostic. Religion is only about 5 or 6 thousand years old as far as memory can tell. We are created Spiritual some 7 billion years ago, having evolved from ape-like creatures, at least that is one theory that appeals to me. These creatures evolved in more than one pair, and perhaps more than one place, although Scientists place it somewhere in Africa. The story of Adam and Eve and most of the Bible is just that, a story, and great story form many are. The Bible is not history as we view it today, wanting to know blow by blow what happened. It is an attempt to explain the why and how of our experience. Not all such literature has been chosen to be in the Bible collection, and stories there are found in other literature. As for evil, I think the lack of connection is between the will and the intellect. The nature of the will is to blindly, as it were, seek what is PERCEIVED as good (for me?) and that perception can be very flawed if not connected to the intellect, which is like light to aid the blind will. That is why we are encouraged to live consciously and aware. I, too, other members who are marvelous thinkers will add to this thread. It certainly has to do with Aneros and sexuality, which is definitely a large part of life, and needs to be integrated with the rest. I, too, consider it one of the greatest gifts of our creator, who is beyond the human and what is in existence, and therefore impossible to describe, despite attempts to do so possibly since the beginning, which may be eternal. We tend to think the universe we know is all that exists, and even this universe is being found to be far beyond what we have thought it to be.

Sorry for my lack of proofreading before posting, and not paragraphing. I meant to say I wish and hope others will join the discussion with their views.

Good stuff. Gives depth to the experience. Experience gives depth to life. I have more to say, but it deserves thinking about. Thank you for the thread.

With apologies
I think it is particularly healthy to think of spirit as linked to sex. We have demonized sex to the extent that our attitude towards it is very unhealthy. 
Some comments for fun.
The ape probably tried to rape the attendant because she was ovulating. It was not its fault she should have realized nature has its own agenda.
Of course Eve is the hero! "God" was waiting for Adam to make the first independent choice for only then could they become human. But it was Eve who perceived the test (thank God), made the choice, and Adam and Eve dropped out of dreaming innocence into our reality. The serpent is the symbolism of wisdom. Talk about getting the myth wrong and turning it into a story to victimize women!
All the posts are fantastic. It is so good to move from 
1. Procreation for species survival. Orgasm not needed just mindless ejaculation, to
2. Relationships, bonding, love, intermingling. Focus on enjoyment and orgasms, to
3. The new perception of seeing the body as a essential part of wholeness, allowing the incredible never ending possibilities to emerge of centeredness merging with the suppressed and hidden sexual energies as a pathway to deepening understanding and spiritual experience while in a body. Life will I am sure extend (my) life to enable me to achieve the very deepest possible experience, for validates life. (I have simply run out of words and talking gibberish). 
"but I just want a super "O". Yes but that may just be the beginning!
Apologies for getting particularly excited.

Shiva Sutras
To be be able to "brush" against  THAT which is ALL  in mediation is to allow ourselves to be swept along our highest path. It is to be trusted as it draws all things to perfection within itself.  I feel this centeredness as the aneros merges with my prostate.
The return journey to unity is not hurried as it would not wish to deprive us of our highest pleasure - for that pleasure is also its pleasure.  

I likened my first super O as a gift and was talking in tounges. I imagined God being pleased with me just as He was with King David a man after Gods on heart.

I knew there would be more wisdom shared here, and know there is more out there. I suspect the title of this thread meets resistance from some members to reading it.

Well, however you want to define it; God, the Force, the void, spirituality, the universe, there is certainly more going on than we have figured out through science or religion during the time humans have inhabited this planet.

We have yet to fully understand our own oceans let alone the vastness of the universe or is it a multiverse.

Should we even discuss Dark Matter and Dark Energy?

The truth is certainly out there. It can be found. Will I find it? I hope so and I hope you all will as well.

Meditation, silence, stillness, seem to be the path.

Aneros, one of many possible tools that can extend our self discovery (like fire or the wheel). When I was 'ready' Aneros was presented to me for me to accept or reject. I accepted it and so I move on and up. When the disciple is ready the teacher comes. It is a tool and, as others have testified, there comes a point when can leave to tool behind as it is no longer needed. This thread also suggests that the new experience can lead to deeper perceptions which in turn may deepen the experience and the possibilities ahead..

Intriguing to see the interest in this topic continue. From my study of science as a physician, I feel we can't be merely the product of random genetic and natural events but rather some sort of intelligent design process. And from my study of the Bible, I feel that Designer is an all-knowing, all-loving God who--though He may not answer every question our human curiosity raises--has shown He wants a relationship with those He created. But with most here knowing I hold traditional religious values, this viewpoint would be no surprise.

Thanks slimjim, I have no difficulty balancing science and scripture. I see no conflict, as to me the purpose of each is different. I think it is important to have both in ones understanding as it hopefully frees one to explore the mysteries and joys of our most amazing physical form and to enjoy life as fully as we can without harming others.

Well men!!

Thanks again Korkelz for starting this; and thanks [email protected] for reviving it now!!

So, in 2010 I said I would be back and join the conversation. A lot has happened in my life since then. Quick summary of how I got to where I am on all this now:
• born into family where both mother's and father's family religions were anabaptist, that is, adult-only adult-responsible serious commitments, and regular church-going...
• very sickly and infant/child and on heavy duty prescribed drugs for first 6 years, one having psychopharma effects...
• high IQ identified in public school grade 7...
• serious abdominal problems since birth have me back on hallucinogenic effects pharmaceutical at age 11-13 and don't cure problem, so I get a paperback on yoga and internal body visualization and healing, and I heal experiment and the condition gets permanently healed...
• at age 13 my prostate calls me and I begin life-long solo prostate massage and experience vast ecstatic after effects at dry spiritual Super-O levels that are life-changing...
• interest in all religions and spiritual traditions emerges and continues through life...
• Over 5 years ago discover Aneros, KSMO, and revisit earlier experiments in mid-1990s with Taoist sexual kung fu and energies work...
• Soon find myself, and share with my wife, full energies spectrum as mapped in Taoist and Tantric traditions as well as Sexual Yoga...
* Back into astounding, ineffable, highly energies-charging spiritual orgasms/ecstasies, universal/multiversal union, and energies focused sexuality way above the wet-works lovely as that still remains!!!...
• And then find that I can apply these energies to healing myself in remarkable ways now...
• AND further to share these energies at-a-distance for both orgasmic energies sharing and for direct and remote healing of others (also long established in Taoist tradition)!!!

I look forward to the contemplative and philosophical discussions here continuing and will have more thought in these realms here soon. I am fundamentally a scientist, having to leave posting here to get to church now. 😉

all the best awakening and emerging into whole male being and whole man health all

as we rewire we are all reconnected

Masterbated anally since 13 but never knew what it was about. I am hetro and married. I always knew there is more in the spiritual realm than I understood. God comes first. Science has some facts. I believe in the relationship with spirit (Holy) my Comforter. I have learned so much in one year from here and Lingmans log. I can almost call complete understanding of the meaning of life.

Nice overview drtypicsure!!

How old are you and how long married?? We should chat about being age 13...

Now then, how much of your body is really you, that is cells with your DNA, what percentage??

I am 44. I have been married 15 years. I do not know how to answer your last question.

Thanks drtypicsure!!

I am 65 and married 43 years. How about this age 13 and finding our prostates that year?? I'll respond re: the last question soon, thanks again.

artform

as we rewire we are all reconnected

Hi all you myriad multicellulars!!

The answer to my question of how much of each human body is made of cells with your own DNA is: about 10%. The other 90% is made up of many types of bacteria and other symbionts, creatures we share essential chemistry, energy, ecological benefits with as we carry them all around with us, on our inside and outside. Science has just been actively mapping this phenomenon for a couple of decades. The Scientific American magazine issue of June 2012 has a very good cover story on this topic, with illustrations.

I think that this reconceptualization of who/what we are as a forest rather than a tree, a coral reef rather than a fish/shark/killer-whale, is very helpful in relaxing into prostate awakening, orgasmic spiritual travels, the many other Anerosian pleasure/contemplative/ecstatic/union possibilities and life in its fullest!!!

artform

as we rewire we are all reconnected