Another Newbie (50yo). Months later..journey continues....

Posted by: @hankey01

And then something happened!  The wave of feeling started to get stronger and my body started shaking and my dick started instantly got hard.  The muscles started one of those feedback loops and I was out of control!  I was shaking and twitching as my body was on auto pilot!  I was riding a wave of pleasure and it wouldn't stop.  It was like the moment before an orgasm (I can only compare to penis ejaculation orgasms)..but it kept going and going and going....I felt great but I needed to get over that hump and cum already!!

Congratulations , It sounds to me like you just had your first Super-O (Aneros WIKI definition) . Make no mistake that was a prostate orgasm you were having as far as the desire to ejaculate, yes, that may be there but if you can set that aside you can have multiple more orgasms and not fall into the refractory period that ejaculations bring on.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel I look forward to longer sessions where I can see where it takes me!  I just couldn't stand not getting to that release point and had to!  🙂

Something kind of strange...today as I was running on the treadmill (no Aneros) I felt stirrings in there and tingles.

Posted by: @hankey01

Something kind of strange...today

Totally normal in relation to your awakening in this regard.  It will dissipate if you pay it little mind.  Enjoy, or- it is what I was speaking of yesterday:

Posted by: @helical

It may be early yet to detect this, but see if your body gives you some subtle sign as to when to try again.

Mr. turbo-mode.  Contrary to a few years on the planet being a hindrance, it is recognized in medicine, the prostate is smaller in youth.  So it may be a boon.

Posted by: @helghast

The only issue is if guys rely on them too much and manage to over stimulate them,that might hurt a session. 

I think this is what I'm experiencing.  ALL of my sessions are great as long as I involve my nips.  I'll have to really try several consecutive sessions with the 'do nothing' method hoping they won't all be duds.

@hankey01 

I've heard butt plugs are the way to go for walks as opposed to Aneros.

Incidentally, I don't think I mentioned that I'm 59 and from some older contributors, age doesn't seem to be a disqualifier.

@hankey01 

I most frequently vape cannabis via pen with live resin. I occasionally use another vaporizer with cannabis flower, but a bit of laziness prevails (I don't have to load the flower into the vaporizer or clean out the spent cannabis, which isn't ash, but it is a bit messy.) I have only used edibles a couple of times, but I prefer the entourage effect from vaping a strain that I have chosen (for me, indica and CBN is a bonus - I use by prescription [but of course now we don't need one in Canada] so the terpenes also factor in.) 

I was eager to get to bed last night and try again.  I did have a few beers before but not too many...but getting up to pee about 4 times didn't help for sure.  After a couple of hours I didn't have much for results...a bit of quivering off and on. 🙁  Eventually I just fell asleep.

SO...I thought I'd gie it a go first thing this morning.  After an hour and a half of getting nowhere (a bit of good feelings here and there..slight quivers).  I was bad though..got frustrated and just jerked off.  

I know...I rushed back into it and expected the exact same results.  Oh well...guess I have to wait a while before trying again.  

@hankey01 

Patience my friend, patience. Think butterflies  - you chase, they flee. You stand still and they're more likely to land on you. 

Posted by: @hankey01

I was bad though..got frustrated and just jerked off.  

   Try not to think of it in those terms, were sexual beings. The beauty is we have options. I bet the orgasm was rather satisfying, so enjoy, and move on. Maybe next time.

@pablito1963 you are right of course...I was just...soo..close.  :p

Session #6 last night...still can't get to the involuntary ride.  Sure it felt good and I had brief moments of involuntary shaking but nothing as powerful as that lucky session #3.  Not sure I'll ever get a Super O...but it still feels nice. I just wish it felt as intense as penis stimulation so I'm not always tempted to just go back to that.

At least I have learned what position works best for me (I think), and I am learning to just enjoy them for what they are. 🙂

Posted by: @hankey01

I had brief moments of involuntary shaking but nothing as powerful as that lucky session #3.  Not sure I'll ever get a Super O...but it still feels nice.

I think you did already have a Super-O, it just wasn't what you were expecting. Super-O's come in many forms, you just need to make the paradigm shift in thought processes to see that.

Posted by: @hankey01

I just wish it felt as intense as penis stimulation so I'm not always tempted to just go back to that.

You are still holding on to the thought about ejaculatory orgasms, you need to change that thinking to allow the prostate orgasms to blossom. It is a paradigm shift in thinking about -> What's an Orgasm?.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel I'd say I was only in that "close to orgasm" zone but not at that plateau.  I do hope to feel that peak at some point.  Thank you for the link.

Some describe a Super O as feeling like an ejaculation orgasm but dry..that's what I hope for.  Other's have felt things so intense they see white light..and/or such intense feelings they are moaning out loud. I've never been there for sure.  🙁

@hankey01 

I've had this conversation with other guys before, where they experience something which they don't personally believe is a Super-O, but which I think might be one. Obviously, it's not about convincing anyone that they had a Super-O when they do not think they had one. Everyone gets to decide what an experience meant to them. The link Rumel provided explains it in term of scales, from his post : 

"Just as we say there are various intensities of Super-O's, so too are there various intensities to ordinary orgasms, from almost undetectable to howling great. I think each of us establishes a personal criteria for where our particular experience falls along the orgasmic spectrum and one man's mini-orgasm may only be a pleasant sensation to another."

This is a vital element. It's tempting to think in term of the Super-O, and not a Super-O. When you get a really good one, then there's no question, you'll know it was a Super-O. But it can also mean that a "weak" one could be less powerful than a traditional orgasm. I don't know how powerful other man's ejaculatory orgasm are. I don't think they're more powerful than my S-Os, but they could well be. Who's to say? Maybe I have weak trad Os ?

Then duration and having multiples would be what separates traditional Os from prostate ones, that is, until you get into the "really good ones". So your question would then be : "Since I've had some small S-Os, what do I need to do to experience more powerful ones?" From where you are, the answer is likely to just continue having more sessions without changing your basic method, and just explore and give yourself some time. 

@zentai and @rumel..

Thank you again for your expertise and support.  🙂  I understand..perhaps you are correct..I was just having a less intense Super O.  It was amazing, but didn't satisfy that need for climax.  It's a bit like torture to be so close but never hit that peak.  😉

Anyone getting good abs from the involuntary waves?  Much more fun that sit ups!

Posted by: @hankey01

It was amazing, but didn't satisfy that need for climax.

Prostate based orgasms which don't elicit the ejaculation response also don't exhibit the satiation sensation when the prolactin hormone (induced from ejaculation) triggers the refractory period. You may experience a Super-O and still be wanting and 'horny' for more, so don't expect a Super-O to satisfy in quite the same way as a traditional penile induced ejaculatory orgasm. This is part of the paradigm thought shift I was referring to.

Good Vibes to You!

  Thats one of the hardest lessons to learn, that what you have to overcome is the need to have the feeling like a TO. Although I have contractions , there just a small part of the orgasm, the nerve sensation can happen all by itself. At least thats what happens to me, intense pleasure in my prostate without any contraction, or even one super strong contraction. For me there it happens the second I insert, when its going to be good session. If I don't get a near instant reaction, it rarely ramps up for me.

@tbob for me the buildup inside feels like a buildup to a TO so I expect that orgasm feeling at some point..and without it feel sexually frustrated.

Tried a session with my boyfriend last night.  Some nipple play and kissing and I was feeling very aroused.  I worked the Aneros insude and had several (I think) P waves (feels like buildup to TO then nothing).  One of the firts ones..I felt like I might go over the top and have an Orgasm but didn't make it.  Eventually the good feelings in the prostate area passed, even though I was still very excited. Finally I gave in and involved my penis and after a lot of teasing I gave in and had a penis orgasm. I was trying to abstain from that so tonght's session would be better but I couldn't resist.  :/  How do other's deal with potential abstinence form a partner to help with Aneros sessions?

Tonight is my first night alone with the Aneros so I have time and privacy. Hope I didn't ruin it by ejaculating last night.

Jesus Christ! The goal of the journey is to have orgasms without ejaculation. This in turn by passes the refractory period,the hormone dump,the need to go to sleep,fresh,alertness,everything!!!

How ironic that a guy covers more ground in a week than some guys do in years and then moans about wanking. You’ll get used to it. How many would trade places with you Hank hahahha This post is hilarious! 😉 Keep em coming lol. You lucky SOB HAHAHHA.

Haha love the candid feedback!  I love "wanking"..I am just too weak to abstain for the greater good!  :p

I think I am just confused...to me "almost cumming" isn't an orgasm. The euphoric wave happens when I hit that peak.  Being extremely close to the peak is like having a million dollars just... out... of.... reach..  😉  I have yet to experience anything that makes me want to moan out loud uncontrollably.

I know..stop overthinking and enjoy the ride.  :p  I'm a bit worried I should have started with a different Aneros (I have the progasm).  I can certainly handle the size but maybe I need more movement.  If they weren't so expensive I'd certainly expand my toolbox.

Looking forward to my first home alone night tonight.

@hankey01

Get yourself a eupho. You’ll have all the movement you want. 

@hankey01 Part of rewiring is learning how not to be "Mr Right Now". For many and it looks like you to, its something you learn. Patience is learned.  Remember whether you feel it or not during your sessions, something is happening btwn your brain and your prostate. Takes a while for most, for the brain to communicate that back to your body, in a pleasurable way. Learning to really appreciate what it gives you, sets you up to build on exp.

Posted by: @hankey01

How do other's deal with potential abstinence from a partner to help with Aneros sessions?

Give your partner all he/she wants and you will be amply rewarded in the long run. It is your own arousal which will drive you to orgasm.

Good Vibes to You!

Had my first home alone session last night.  Started out with Mindgasm 1 and 2.   Went well except the second part teaches how to make the PC muscle active involuntary.   I couldn't get that to work. Looking back... On my session where I was shaking involuntary.. I think it was my stomach muscles working.. not my PC.  I can't seem to hold my PC to the point where it starts quivering.   :/

After that I tried to have fun and try to replay my session #3. (#7 by now with no more great results).  Felt good at times but nothing much happened. After almost 3 hours I gave up.  I tried every position I could think of. 

Seems I hit a wall. My session #3 may have been a result of days without ejaculation and the excitement of the new feelings?

I woke up early this morning and gave it another try for 45 minutes.  No luck.

I know. I can't force it. Just enjoy...don't try to force it.. It's just new to me. Some ppl take years. I'm not giving up for sure but starting to feel like I'm just wasting so much time and getting a bit bored. 

@hankey01 

Posted by: @hankey01

Had my first home alone session last night.  Started out with Mindgasm 1 and 2.   Went well except the second part teaches how to make the PC muscle active involuntary.   I couldn't get that to work.

Is this flex,hold and release slowly until you feel it? If it’s not working,try this: Apply flex in your pelvic floor,or anchoring tension as I call it,focus and holding it gently. Focus will wane,but refocus the hold,invols will follow,but don’t be too desperate to get them. Hold the tension throughout the session.

Posted by: @hankey01

After that I tried to have fun and try to replay my session #3. (#7 by now with no more great results).  Felt good at times but nothing much happened. After almost 3 hours I gave up.  I tried every position I could think of.

If you aren’t feeling it,pack it up for the day. 3 hrs of siege mentality won’t be productive.

Posted by: @hankey01

I know. I can't force it. Just enjoy...don't try to force it.. It's just new to me. Some ppl take years. I'm not giving up for sure but starting to feel like I'm just wasting so much time and getting a bit bored. 

This is the definition of impatience lol. 

@helghast

Posted by: @helghast

Is this flex,hold and release slowly until you feel it? If it’s not working,try this: Apply flex in your pelvic floor,or anchoring tension as I call it,focus and holding it gently. Focus will wane,but refocus the hold,invols will follow,but don’t be too desperate to get them.

Yes that's the one.  I will definately true to learn this skill. Isolating seems tricky.  I can seperate the PC from the sphincter (sort of) but seems like I have trouble holding the PC without holding my stomach.  Trying to imagine pulling my dick in but holdign it seems to drift off. 

Posted by: @helghast

Hold the tension throughout the session.

Try to hold it for my whole session?  I can sure try..

Seems like I an squishing my face while trying to focus and hold it.  😉  Have to learn to not do that!

Posted by: @helghast

If you aren’t feeling it,pack it up for the day. 3 hrs of siege mentality won’t be productive.

Yeah it was beating a dead horse..just kept hoping for some magic.  Have to wait 2 more weeks for a night alone again. :p

Posted by: @helghast

This is the definition of impatience lol. 

LOLOL..yes!

Welcome... You are certainly giving all your attention to your new journey.

More than 5 years here, consistently getting better and better sessions.   When I found the 'no nut November' Mindgasm last year, my trek with Aneros made a big jump.  This did not happen with only  the first trys.  I followed the suggestions to do the lessons multiple times across many days. At first no tingles or involuntary spasms.  Stayed with the first 3 lessons and started to get there.  For me the low end of contraction efforts  where wear I found the faint beginnings.  Sure the strong long contractions probably helped.  But when I started to really relax and just gently tease the flexing and holding the build ups started in earnest.  Now even as I sit here typing, my"source" is involuntarily  pulsing and bouncing gentlly. ..mmm

A few years back there was a post that also described this very weak 'top' muscle micro flex that leads me to some very incredible A-less chairgasms.

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/how-to-have-a-less-orgasms-almost-instantly-male-vagus-nerve-orgasms/#post-103849    This link seems to be lost...hopefully someone can track that post down and repost it.

In the end patience, relaxation, awareness of the smallest tingle, not trying to make it happen ( chasing the fawn away ) and being grateful to what your body gives you today, will guide your Prostate Adventure.

Give Mindgasm some time.  And don't rush to session #6 as they instruct.  So much to experience with the first 5 lessons!  Crawl before walking.  Walk before running.  Run before jumping for the highest rung.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

@p38 thank you for the feedback.  I may just keep redoing Mindgasm #2 until I get the spasms.  #1 was easy enough. 🙂

I assume you do them with the Aneros in?  Wonder if I could cheat with a Dr Ho massager (electrical muscle stimulation).  I'm kidding!

Posted by: @p38

Now even as I sit here typing, my"source" is involuntarily  pulsing and bouncing gentlly. ..mmm

WOW! 

I personally would stick with 1 position maybe 2 per session. For me once things start getting intense, I dare not move a muscle, any movement could kill it, my body will literally reposition itself. I can't stop it, if I'm in the right mind, and give myself over to what ever my body wants to do. If I'm on my back with my feet together, and my knees splayed. At any time my body will seperate my feet and slide them down a foot. As this is happening the waves get stronger and stronger. I never would have learned this if I didn't stick to 1 position. I like my back as it is the easiest way to stay comfortable, but thats just me.  The only thing I change is my leg position. Oh yea, I concurr Patience, patience , patience. Your gonna live a long time.  

@tbob That makes sense too...after so long I was moving around trying everything.  I also seem to like laying on my back...but instead of knees apart like you, seems like my right leg straight and left leg bent a bit feels the best for whatever reason.  I guess I'm not symmetrical. 😉

So do most people just keep rhythmically squeezing?  Even when I feel some waves of pleasure..it's all me controlling the rubbing of that spot.  That was what I did on that session #3 until my core started shaking madly.  Sigh I miss that one time.  Seems like I have to train my PC muscle to take over for me?  I have yet to feel a single twitch by that bastard!