Anal Electro Stimulation

@rook has 'retired' from his e-stim rides and now uses the TENS box to treat the usual muscle pulls etc.

In addition to TENS boxes and more sophisticated controllers like the ErosTek there's another option:

Amplified sound, driven by mp3 files of designed noise. There are several e-stim affectionados in the Zitty-biz e-stim forum. They trade mp3 files and circuit designs for suitable broadband audio amplifiers.

Late edit: ... for sources of adhesive copper foil, check eBay for shielding foil for elecric guitars. Works like a champ !

Hello, rook and everybody.

One word of caution about PC, CD, iPod, iPhone, Android phone and the headphone jack output of all devices: Do NOT connect the audio signal directly to your body internally or on your skin, period. While it's easy to do, it can be extremely dangerous. A transformer-isolated buffer amp is required to guarantee that the voltage and amperage of the signal will be in the safe range. Sure, you can build your own black box and RadioShack used to have a kit that would work. However, for most people a TENS 3000 unit for $25 is the better option. And, as rook pointed out, if you decide e-stim for sex is no good, it is a reliable way to ease muscle pain.

Cheers,

Dave

@ten_s_nut, @braveneworld, thank you for your input, cautions and encouragement. I do find some mild e-stim a help along my journey with Aneros. It keeps my pelvic muscle tone high. So together with Aneros I think I am in much better condition than many of my peers, who to tend to be dropping off the perch now.
I am happy to write off the Gel then I will explore the Glide lubricant which also seems to be a good price.
"A long strange trip it's been"

@Clenchy Sounds like this was the problem with your experience. I have been there too!It came with pads that had a layer of adhesive gel on them, so lube wasn't really practical.
I don't know whether the box was just a piece of crap, or what. It was all based on presets and intensity levels, so there wasn't much room for experimentation on that front.

@Clenchy, FWIW: there are pads and pads. The contact must be complete and the skin free from any oils or waxes. Sometimes cleaning the area with rubbing alcohol helps and of course the area must be relatively hairless. As far as I know any stinging sensations are due to incomplete skin-pad contact. Some pads are a bit dried out and don't make good contact. Also the size of the pad and placement need to be considered - after all that I think it is easier to have a cup of coffee.

Clenchy;

Even the inexpensive TENS units have pulse width, frequency and level controls independent of one another and at least 2 programs (automated variations within limits set by the user). Fancy units have alternate waveform shapes and a dozen preset programs. Without adequate controls, e-stim is hopeless.

If you must use pads as opposed to woven metallized elastic or e-rubber bands, then use the medical type paper tape found in drugstores to fully attach the edges of the pads to your skin. Otherwise, gaps form and arcing will occur, which stings.

Cheers,

Dave

@ten_s_nut, I have no problems with the normal cloth pads that are supplied from reputable medical suppliers if contact site is prepared.@HopefulMMOer, Looks interesting, but I am wary of any sharp edges that may work loose. The copper tape can very hard to come by.
I feel that as some Aneros users also use electro stimulation from time to time, a thread like this does not hijack the purpose of the forum and gives opportunity for good information to those who wish to learn from others experiences.

@HopefulMMoer & @ten_s_nuts Oh Maximus is your friend too?ME and @xtimedt69 think hes great too. Xtimedt69 has modified a aneros before using similar tape but bought from happystimusa.com. It worked great for a while till he had a wiring issue which he could not solve so it got removed.
I think i would like to give it a go to soon but was afraid i might damage my maximus or progasm.
I dont think the tape was as good as what this kit sounds like. Xtimedt69 said he could not get rid of the ripples on the side of the tape, maybe this tape is better or just thinner.


@isvara why write off the gel? Was there a problem with it?


Glydes ingredients as promised is:
Purified water
Propylene Glycol
Glycerine
Hydroxy Ethyl Cellulose
Polyquaternium 7, 10, 15 & 32
Methyl
Ethyl
Propyl & Butyl Hydroxybenzoate
Phenoxyethanal (preservatives)
EDTA


Australian made.
Freight was only $7.50 for 4x500ml Very good value. The seller is very reasonable too from my dealings with her.
So far i have been using it for 4 years almost daily. I have not grown two heads yet but hey there is still time. 🙂
some people cant use Glycerine as it makes them purge but it seems fine to me.
It looks exactly like cum but tastes yucky, think i would prefer cum if i was forced of course!


@rook thanks for the zitty forum suggestion i will have a look as i have not come across that one yet.

Hello, Hopeful.

Thanks for the link. A number of Aneros users have electrified their Progasms, Maxes, etc. From all I've read and experienced myself, the results are sub-optimal compared to ready-made hardware. Considering that anal e-stim probes can be purchased at prices between $30 and $70, I don't think it's either smart or cost/benefit effective to roll your own.

What I'd really like to see is "Aneros e-Vice." Maybe this thread will encourage management to make that concept real.

Cheers,

Dave

@braveneworld, thanks for the info. Glycerine seems to be a problem for me. Regarding the Gel, I hope that it will be good as it does not contain glycerine. I'll only write it off if it doesn't work. I will keep you up to date.
I'd love to know just how they mix up all the ingredients in the lubes. Perhaps like they used to add trace elements to superphosphate - a man would add a teaspoon of trace elements now and then as the ton of super shot past him on the conveyer belt!

Hello, Hopeful.

Regarding the chances of Aneros making an electro version of Vice, I've heard from a reliable source who discussed this with the company's upper management years ago that an e-Vice is highly unlikely. That's said to be due to the founder of the company, Dr. Takashima's (right name?) opinion that passing electricity around or through the prostate might not be safe.

Perhaps if the Electrastim unit and others like it prove to be both commercially popular and not hazardous, he'll reconsider.

Cheers,

Dave

Looks like fun to me. I'd be willing to try something new.

Hello, Hopeful.

I consider the Electrastim Sirius device a good "beta test" version of the hypothetical Aneros e-Vice. The main innovation of the Electrastim is its all-silicone construction, just like Vice. Aside from the easy to clean and comfort aspects of silicone, the electrification is gentle and easily modulated, unlike the plastic with metal anal probes that preceded this design. Except for the size, this is a good beginner e-stim device.

Cheers,

Dave

The Electrastim Noir arrived as promised. So did the enormous quantity of lubrication (5 litres)!
I was impressed by the packaging and the feel and the texture of the Noir. It feels softer than the Aneros products. There were no malformed seams. I feel much safer with a purpose made estim Prostate massager. I will experiment with it later. I am hoping it may awaken my currently docile Prostate.
Both orders, ordered the same day, arrived at the same time. One travelled 2000kms and the other 12000kms.

Hello, Hopeful.

I suppose it's possible to become dependent on just about anything you like a lot. My strategy is to use various different devices, alternating among them. Every anal toy that's comfortable "works" as far as providing pleasure, be it passive, like Aneros Eupho, a vibe like Vice, or electric like Electrastim.

When you try out your new toy, I suggest you start with a very low power level and leave it on that setting for at least 5 minutes before you step it up. E-stim can take awhile to be felt and one thing you don't need is a jolting surprise.

Cheers,

Dave

A footnote on the Gel Lubricant.
Think of a transparent clear jellyfish. It just sits at the bottom of a clear yogurt container. Thank God it doesn't have eyes! It says it has conducting qualities for electro stimulation. I could not put it in a pump container. I got a gallon of it! Hope it works.
The Noir looks like a tailless P-Ice (Vice) same size, profile more exaggerated. I can't see where the electrodes are. Very smooth.
We will see......

Hello, Isvara.

I tried the conductive jelly lube years ago. Hated it. These days, I use the same lube system on the Electrastim as on my Aneros Vice: a very thin coating of Vaseline and then a coating of Walnut Oil. I know, sounds like that combo would not conduct electricity, but somehow it works fine.

Good luck,

Dave

@ten_s_nut, thanks for that. I much prefer the simple oils as lubes for Aneros use. Any particular reason you choose a Walnut oil? Do you insert any prelube? I have not used it. I also found that oils work as an internal conductive lube. We had a laugh over the Gel! I don't mind writing it off.
Big question, did you use the Walnut oil as a conductive fluid for the perineum electrodes on the Noir?

Initial comments on the Noir:
It is big, and not as easy to insert as P-Ice. An estim P-Ice would be great. For me it has a better profile than Vice.
I liked the surface texture and softness.
The electrode holes are well designed. I would love to know how the current is distributed.
It's going to take sometime to feel comfortable with it.
The perineum foot is well designed.
Much to sort out. The lube will need experimenting with.
No user report yet!

Hey guys! Sorry about the delay, thought I'd chime in.

I only have a couple of issues with this quad-trode.

1. If it's conductive rubber, then it will degrade as you use it. It will become less conductive by use. And given the price, I'd like to see a chart of degraded effect by numbers of use.

2. The top trode and the bottom trode path might not pass directly through the prostate. Electricity will follow the most conductive parts of the body from point Atrode to point Btrode. But this can be fixed with a well placed tens-pad 🙂

Other than that.. Looks interesting. How does the angle configuration work?

Would love to test this with the ET-312 phase 3, phase 2, orgasm and a few of my home-made programs. 🙂

Ps. Thanks for the tag!

isvara;I like Walnut Oil because it smells nice, washes out of fabric, and lasts a long time. Yes, I use it to lube the "P-tab" part, too. Also, it has Omega-3 in it. Small amounts are supposed to be good for you.

Alex;
The Electrastim website has a map of the conductive areas. I'll let you know if I notice any conduction degradation. So little power (2 out of 8 on the TENS 3000 -- 8 should correspond to 80 ma. I have no idea if it is linear) is needed that if I have to use a higher setting as time goes on, there's a long way to go.

The anal probe to P-tab angle is adjustable, which varies the pressure on the prostate and the penetration depth about plus or minus a quarter inch.

Cheers,

Dave

@Alex_xxx still trying to get the right angle of the p_tab as the probe put more pressure on the prostate than a progasm.Have included a link for you of the conductive areas.
http://www.electrastim.co.uk/blog/product-spotlight-electrastim-silicone-noir-sirius-prostate-massager/

@Alex_xxx

"1. If it's conductive rubber, then it will degrade as you use it. It will become less conductive by use. And given the price, I'd like to see a chart of degraded effect by numbers of use"

Supposed to be medical grade silicone - what ever that is. I did not think silicone was conductive. But it shows promise.

@braveneworld, thanks for the electrode reference. Very interesting, almost invisible.

Xtimedt69 Had his trode go faulty after the first few uses. It needed more power to work until it stopped.Broken wire i suspect, high resistance connection until it went open circuit.
Amazon replaced it without any problems but interestingly enough the new probe feels different to him. It throbs instead of moving like the first one. Time will tell, it could have just been that session.
I have not had any other sessions as my battery has gone flat. Need to get of my ass and get a new one but have been too busy.

For those that are following this thread in the back ground here is a review with pictures of the electrode. http://ruffledsheets.com/electrosex/review-electrastim-silicone-noir-sirius/

Quick note:
Coconut oil works as a conductive lubricant.
Will try a Walnut oil.
The gel was absorbed - well no evidence, I wonder if it can be used as anti freeze in the Radiator!
At least with the edible oils one can have a midnight snack!!!!
Still on a learning curve. The oblique point is counter the sphinter opening.
Good results with Eupho Syn later - perhaps just relief!

Remarkable. The large wide 'foot' on the Noir has a remarkable effect. It seems as if I don't have a sweet spot. When the 'foot' contacted my perineum it had an electric effect. I was using the Noir as a massager with NO wires connected. The internal profile must have hit the right spot. Between the two there was an intensity of energy and a number of pulses. With just a bit of adjustment my body would rhythmically 'jerk'. I could easily stop it. The most sensitive area on the perineum was just behind the scrotum. But not localised it was over the whole perineum. I will see if this is repeatable. I note this on the off chance that a wide pressure on the perineum may help others. I much prefer the Aneros and feel that the Noir will empower the Aneros

Quick note:
Coconut oil works as a conductive lubricant.
Will try a Walnut oil.
The gel was absorbed - well no evidence, I wonder if it can be used as anti freeze in the Radiator!
At least with the edible oils one can have a midnight snack!!!!
Still on a learning curve. The oblique point is counter the sphinter opening.
Good results with Eupho Syn later - perhaps just relief!

Hey @isvara
From my experience, conductive lube is overemphasized with anal-trodes. The anal canal is so tight that you have good contact no matter what you use. I have good experience with trodes anally and absolutely all lubricants from shea butter, vaseline and to traditional lubes.

Other than that, i can only see three trode contact points on the link, one on each side and one on the Ptab. Do you know where the fourth is?

Alex;

The Electrastim has 4 contact points: one on each side of the insertable part and one on each side of the P-tab top surface.

BTW, I tried my newest toy today, the Mystim Electric Eric. It's on the larger side for anal use (1.5" diameter at its widest point). Works fine, and as you pointed out, the fit is so tight that the type of lube is not a factor for electrical contact. The combo of vibe and e-stim the Mystim offers is on the edge of overwhelming. I'll post a picture of the unit, soon.

Cheers,

Dave

http://store.mystim.com/b2c_en/electric-eric.html Look good @Ten_s_nut
Will be interested to see how you feel about it after you warm up to the device.
"edge of overwelming" I take that to mean almost to much to bare. Is that what you meant?

I don't own anything like this so I would need to get taught how. Someone hook me up I'm eager to be taught