Almost there? Tonight was crazy

@WhoWouldHaveKnown, Welcome to the forum and thanks for making your introduction to us. I'd say you have done a lot of learning in the first few months of your Aneros journey, congratulations on your progress, you're already there though you don't realize it just yet.

...then something strange happened. It was as if a "heat" spread out into my body. It was pleasurable (but not orgasmic). Now I *really* felt like I was starting to circle the drain.

Interesting you used the phrase "...circle the drain.", that is the exact same analogy @Buster used in the classic thread What exactly is a Super-O?

I guess you've got to experience the involuntaries before you really "get" that part. ...This time muscles in other parts of my body started to spasm as well, for instance my arms. My abdominal muscles were rock hard and continously tense both at inhalation and exhalation. It was almost hard to breathe. With each inhale I felt like the sexual energy spread out into the rest of the body and up towards my head / brain. It was kind of like conventional masturbation in the sense that it was a sexual energy that was building and building, except that it was done with breath and contractions and the whole body was the "penis".

Kegels exercises with your Aneros to the point of muscle fatigue can induce involuntaries and lead into orgasms. Holding bodily tension during the arousal process can also induce involuntaries, I think this is what you are describing. This bodily tension is a holdover from traditional penile masturbatory practice and while it may be intermittently pleasurable it is a low level of orgasmic pleasure. When you learn to really "Just Let Go !" you may transition to another type of involuntary, this one is induced by the orgasm itself and is responsible for the higher levels of pleasure. These involuntary spasms may be qualitatively quite different from the tension spasms, they can be quite slow frequency and of low amplitude but are undoubtedly there and well up from within your entire body. These can then lead into the Calm Seas Orgasm"

I really did try to "push myself over the edge" .. but it did not happen. It kind of stagnated. I feel that I am moving in uncharted territory now. Perhaps some of the experts here can offer some guidance?

It seems to me though you may be pushing a little bit with the frequency of your sessions, I think giving yourself a day of reflection and recharging may actually produce richer more meaningful sessions. You are indeed moving into uncharted territory and you're the only one who can actually map it. As I mentioned in my introductory PM to you these feelings/sensations can not be forced or coerced to occur, you must allow them to happen.

Is there there and edge to cross? Or is this it? I mean, it was wild and pleasurable and all, but I sense this was not an orgasm and that there is "more". I tried to both intensify the tension "by pushing it", but then I leveled out.

Please see Super-O Myths & Illusions regarding 'the Edge' and a couple of other myths. Also please read @neros thread The Myth of Super Orgasm and even the thread What's an Orgasm? There is more to be had but it is in finding the sublties of what you are already experiencing.

I also tried to relax while maintaining the involuntaries, but then the experience faded away. Any tips?

Please see @darwin 's post relax, relax, RELAX
Good Vibes to You !

The Eupho felt like "nothing" inside.

How wrong I was ..

lol, that's the Eupho in a nutshell .. they should put that on the box.
I think it's the most unpredictable aneros model I have. I've had crazy breakthrough sessions with it, and other sessions that were so boring I fell asleep.

Or is this it? I mean, it was wild and pleasurable and all, but I sense this was not an orgasm and that there is "more".

Oh... there's more. I've asked myself the same question many times, hesitating to call what I experienced an orgasm. It is foggy like that though, and you have to let it be foggy. At some point you'll feel something so intensely nice, it can't possibly not be an orgasm. But it won't come at you like a traditional orgasm.

Is there there and edge to cross?

The common/default answer is "no". And I agree there's nothing you need to push past in the traditional sense. All of the "pushing tools" you know from traditional masturbation aren't going to be useful.
I think there may be a threshold to cross, but not one you've seen before, or even realize exists. I think the biggest threshold I ever encountered was a moment where I had to decide to "let the pleasure into my brain"... filling my mind, replacing my very consciousness, which was almost like some kind of death... one part of my mind was holding on tight, as if its very existence depended on me doing that... but another part needed to fall into the void and let the orgasm wash me away. It was a bizarre thing, but for me... I think that is my "edge".
I've found some other weird situations like that too in other areas... like I'm holding back something without realizing it, or there's some part I'm still trying to control manually, that should be left alone to do its own thing... and other times the edge is simply believing there is nothing more I have to do; that the orgasm is already right there for the taking, I just need to lie back and let it take me.
Maybe this still sounds weird to you, but I find a lot of roadblocks are internal and things you'd never think about in a million years.

First thanks alot to @rumel and @Clenchy for your valuable feedback. My delay in replying here is because I wanted to integrate your advice before posting further. I now want to give an update on my experiences since my original post with the hope that it may be beneficial for the progress of both others and myself.

Where I left off last time was with a powerful experience with the Eupho Syn lying on my back. There were strong contractions in my body and I somehow felt energy passing up my spine. In this session and in the sessions that followed I kept chasing the contractions. I was however not able to reproduce it in the sessions that followed.

I read in a thread on this forum about people that had success sitting or kneeling and after reading that I started playing around with it. I found the position lying on my back the best for invoking the involuntary contractions in the prostate area - usually using the Eupho Syn or the Helix Syn. Once they started I would proceed to sit on my knees beside my bed resting my elbows on the mattress. I would usually also put a duvet on the floor to soften the kneeling position for the knees. I would play around with the degree to which I was leaning forward - from a fairly straight back to a position similar to the "Child Pose" known from yoga as the two extremes. My experiences from this was that in the leaning forward position I could get quite pleasurable experiences with that larger devices such as the Progasm Jr and the Progasm - often to the point where the contractions pushed them out. I even devised a rope arrangement held around my shoulder to keep them in place. Although pleasurable, these were localized experiences that usually culminated with large amplitude, low frequency (ie. full muscle movement) involuntaries to the point of fatigue. I had better experiences with the straight back position, in particular with the smaller devices (mainly Eupho Syn). What would happen was this: The involuntaries would somehow make my hips start shaking, which again would stimulate the prostate. It would create a feedback loop of sorts. With this I was able to induce full body experiences that would match or exceed the one that I described in my original post.

As nice as these experiences were, I still felt that I was somehow following a dead end road due to the excessive tension and cramping in the body. I read and reread @rumel 's advice and the links provided and knew that trying to intensify the bodily tension and shaking probably was not the way to go. So instead I started playing with relaxation and counter intuitive approaches, for instance

• Not applying the "sweet spot" PC muscle tension (which would normally be the quickest way to the onset of involuntaries)
• Prolong the onset of involuntaries as long as possible or try to avoid them altogether by fully relaxing the PC muscles (basically doing nothing and instead invite the body to take charge if it so wanted)
• Attempting to fully relax all other muscles during involunataries, and the abdominal muscles in particular
• Attempting to release control and instead let the intuition of the body take over
• Moving the attention to and follow the physical sensations in the body - in a sense being directed by the body instead of directing it

I cannot say that the results of following this approach were immediate but I guess the rewiring was further progressing and taking place. Sessions were pleasurable, although not orgasmic. I would say I had sessions maybe 3 times per week. I had a break during the Christmas holiday as I was traveling and I only had two sessions in total and only with the Eupho Syn.

Returning for the holidays I had more time on my hands and more privacy. I also started feeling a strong desire for using my larger devices. In particular my body was longing for the Progasm.

During my second session of the new year I quickly felt that something was going to be different. The body's desire for the Progasm was strong. Almost immediately after inserting it my body started to massage it. I figured that since the body was taking charge with such decisiveness I might as well relax and just follow along. Before too long I was literally being fucked by the Progasm, for the lack of a better or more eloquent description.This happened while lying on my back with my feel pulled up, knees up with the soles of my feet resting on the mattress. It was highly pleasurable. I then tried something which moved the whole thing to a completely different level: I put my attention mentally on the perineum (between the anus and the balls), ie. not directly on the prostate but slightly lower. I then let myself "fall" into the experience and the energy there. After a while the energy there increased tremendously and it also started moving up the spine towards my head. It was as if I was tapping into a vast energy reservoir of sorts. The experience made me think of what I have seen others describe as Kundalini energy. The next two days I woke up with headaches, which I think might have been related.

I cannot say that this energy fully reached and immersed my mind, so to speak (as I intuitively sensed was the natural progression onward from where I was). Although I sense that there are deeper levels of this experience yet to be had I will still say that this must be the Super O that I have read about. After tasting the sweetness of this experience I can see how it is possible to get addicted to or "lost" in it in the sense that it becomes one's main focus.

Three days have now passed since this happened. I have had short sessions with the Progasm the last two days as well. The body has readily started the involuntariness, but the area inside has been somewhat sore and fatigued. The energy I experienced in the perineum has not yet returned a second time. Perhaps the body wants to rest up, or perhaps this was the amount of it that I was ready for at this time. I guess time will show if this progresses further.

Any comments or reflections are welcome.

Thanks

WWHN

Hi again guys,

I think I may need some pointers again.

Since I had my Super O experience described in the previous post there has been .. nothing orgasmic. When I have my sessions the body will readily start the involuntaries and massage the different devices. I mostly use the Progasm as I enjoy the fullness of it. However this tingling energy that I felt spreading out into the body previously is just not there. I used to experience the energy spreading out into the body from the perineum creating orgasmic or near orgasmic states, but now it is just not there.

I thought that perhaps lack of arousal was the issue, but I have tried watching erotica during the session has still has taken me to very high levels of arousal. Still the "orgasmic energy" is not there.

Anyone else experienced something similar on their path? A stagnation / step back?

Hey, @WhoWouldHaveKnown, don't think of your situation as a stagnation or a step back.

You're just rewiring. This takes time. If you go to the gym, your muscles don't grow there during your exercises, but only later in your recovery period. And only if this recovery period is long enough and you don't run to the gym the other day to stress the same muscle again. If you learn vocabulary, the best you can deepen your knowledge with is a sufficcient amount of sleep.

As you seem to be a kind of natural born talent with Aneros use, due to your fast progress, I would think it might already be about time for some Aless (Aneros-less sessions) to deepen your rewiring further. I'd suggest to think about your next session as this new kind: without any Aneros tool (Btw, Don't you ever call it a toy! 😮 As everything else is just a toy! ;))

Keep in mind that everywhere you focus on, your vibes will follow. As known from autogenic training the repetition of saying to yourself, "my arm feels warm" will take influence on your blood circulation until your arm will measurably be warmer than the other you don't focus on.

Now you only have to focus on your perineum instead and you will get your session started. Envisioning your fingers rubbing your prostate may help as well as slight touches on sensitive spots like your nipples, your perineum, the area around the lower part of your spine short above your butt crack and so on.

To avoid headache, be sure to finally close your energy circle as described in Mantak Chia's "Mulit-Orgasmic-Man" by touching your palate with your tongue and lead the energy, that came up your spine, down your front channel back to your root, your gland, again.
Thus you, too, are discovering your chakras

and strengthening the vibes between them.

Last but not least I fully agree with

How wrong I was ..

or as I described it: The Noisy Cricket / Devilish little Eupho Syn teached me oh what a lesson! / A matter of size?

Welcome to the forum, thanks for your vivid description of your first success. As you already have learned, here is the place to be, to find help and support on your journey. And be sure, the best is yet to come!

I wish you all the best
-Mart
P.S. And, of course, please keep us posted! It's a joy to read your writings.
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Hi @SOwithoutAneros and thank you for your guidance.

I have now given myself some time to digest your advice, although your points had a quite immediate effect for me. I tried the breathing exercise from Barbara Carrellas found in the thread you linked to, and realized that I had become too focused on the sensations in the prostate area and had forgotten about the breath. Using this exercise I was able to focus more on the whole body. In my first session with the Eupho Syn after reading your advice I had a funny experience: I normally don't get an erection during my sessions, and this time I was not particularly sexually aroused either, but all of a sudden the breathing exercise made my penis rock hard. At that point I realized that there is more to the breath than meets the eye, since it could elicit such a response from my penis "out of nowhere" without me being aroused.

I have tried to take your advice to heart and I now see my sessions with the Aneros tool as opportunities for re-wiring, instead of trying to have an orgasm. I find that with this approach, and with the focused breathing, this has become an emotional process as well as a sexual process. I sometimes try to breathe up from my perineum area and up into my heart area, and it seems that this can have an emotional healing effect somehow. It is very much an intuitive process (if you allow it) - I realize that this may not make sense for everyone.

I am also working on the Aneros-less sessions you suggested. I like to practice that before dozing off to sleep in the evening.

Again thank you for your advice and I will keep you posted.

It is very much an intuitive process (if you allow it) - I realize that this may not make sense for everyone.

Don't take it too technical, stay curious and inventive. Let's call it playful.

I am also working on the Aneros-less sessions you suggested. I like to practice that before dozing off to sleep in the evening.

Exactly my evening routine. Almost every day now I follow my additional morning routine, giving me some fine Aless and at least a few full body orgasms.

Again thank you for your advice and I will keep you posted.

You're welcome. Hope so, being full of anticipation of your next experiences. Cheers!

Hi

Just wanted to post an update. Almost a year since my last post.

Took a 3 month break from using the Aneros lately, but then started using it again about a week ago. Been playing with all the different tools the last year - without too much progress. But the break seems to have done me good.

My body all of a sudden seems to have taken a liking to the Maximus Trident. This tool did nothing for me earlier, but now it seems to have changed completely. I was experiencing the most intense autofuck from the Maximus last night .. I tried to "not control or influence" the involuntary contractions around the prostate and instead focus on my head or upper body, and completely surrender to what the body wanted to do. Then something new happened: It seemed that the perineum started contracting as well. The P tab was rhythmically being massaged into the perineum. I haven't experienced this before to be honest and it seems significant. Can't wait to see where this will lead.

Just something you might try.Have a session and end it after a half hour,wait 5-8 hours and start another in total darkness which is ALWAYS better for me and see what happens.The hard part is cutting a session short but for me very rewarding.

Just something you might try.Have a session and end it after a half hour,wait 5-8 hours and start another in total darkness which is ALWAYS better for me and see what happens.The hard part is cutting a session short but for me very rewarding.

Interesting idea .. Could you elaborate on the effect of ending it early, and then starting another session hours later? Does it build up additional arousal / craving?

I always have my sessions in total darkness as well 😎

It just seems to be something I have experienced.I don't do this nearly all the time,It seems like the second session will ramp up very quickly.Its kinda like getting home from school [55 yrs ago] in your room,just getting a good start on some "alone time" and your mom is coming up the stairs with your wash and you don't get another chance till bedtime.By then you were rairin to "get going";)

@evergreen @WhoWouldHaveKnown I sometimes have 2 sessions in a day,one about 10am and the next about 2pm. Each are around 60-90 mins,i often find session 2 even better than the first.

Hello @WhoWouldHaveKnow.
Thank you for typing up your posts. I found it a good read and it reminds me a lot of my own journey. I especially relate to what you have written about the flow of orgasmic energy and linking this to Kundalini energy. I too have struggled and sometimes still do with the energy just not being there or just too much that I get headaches or a feeling of unresolved pressure. A need for catharsis.

When I compare what I do now to what I did a few years back, I notice that my body does things more intuitively that were somewhat forced before.
When the going gets really good I notice my body moving: clenching my ass, toes or maybe I arch my back, tilt my head back. I tend to hold my breath or release big breaths without thinking when it feels really good.
Also, I have found it helpful to moan. At the beginning it felt very forced and just the sound of it made me feel weird or pull me out of it. Now it arouses me a lot and just feels right. Sometimes I even growl or say some 'fucks' under my breath.

When I feel the energy come rushing I tilt my head or clench/ arch my toes, roll my eyes back or whatever happens and I'm just sighing or moaning in sync with it. I will go back to relaxed after a wave/ orgasm. I think it looks like what a girl does when in pleasure. I feel that things like this really help with spreading out the energy and arousal and also maintaining it throughout a session because it can become arousing in itself. Some sessions are calm though, some are somewhat wilder.

It's difficult to get your body and breathing to go on autopilot but it's not unlike letting an Aneros 'fuck' you. Where you notice it but just let it happen and try to sorta be in the pleasure.
As a mindset, I always try to go to a place that I sometimes get to in meditation where I feel like there is nothing at this moment I would rather do then to just lie on the floor and enjoy a feeling of tranquillity or mild euphoria. But just like in meditation I won't always be able to get there. It's easy to get distracted. I have become more consistent though.

Just some suggestions, maybe it will help.

So, some further developments.

Since my last post I have continued using the Trident Maximus and I have in most sessions been able to get at least some contractions in the perineum at the spot of the P-tab. Previously, I was just able to achieve the "regular" involuntaries. In some sessions it seems to be a feedback between the two - like they are fueling each other.

Last night I had a session where I decided to mentally focus on the P-tab spot exclusively (whereas normally I would focus on the parts of the tool being inside me). This time I let the perineum be the center of the session. It took some time to get the perineum contractions going - but wow! After a while it was a frenzy of feedback between the perineum and the parts inside. I maintained focus on the perineum and could feel the pressure building. And all of a sudden I could feel what I can only describe as orgasmic energy inside the prostate! It was as if it was waking up! It lasted for about one minute, and I would perhaps not call it a full orgasm, but boy am I excited about what happened and where it might lead from here.

I guess the importance of the "sweet spot" and the P-tab has been mentioned by many on this forum. But it was only when I was able to get the contractions there I started to understand what this was all about. And I don't think I would have been able to get there without the Trident Maximus - so getting the right device can actually make a big difference. It seems to me that the firmness and the position of the tab is very important. I am no expert, and actual experts are free to correct me, but from my subjective experience (and body intuition) it seems to me that focusing only on the involuntaries "inside" can be a dead end road - and that getting the feedback going by including the sweet spot is key.

Appreciate any comments and especially from "elders" that are able to put my experience into context.

Thanks.

@WhoWouldHaveKnown, it appears that you in a short period of time (six months) are heading toward a tipping point when you may experience Super-O's and MMO's which will transform your Aneros experience. This tipping point may come to you very soon. Keep up your good work of Anerosing! I just wonder if the Trident series have made this possible for you.

I began my Aneros journey in early June 2012 with Helix Syn, but moved on working Maximus Classic and the Progasm models soon after. In a way it was very hard work initially. But once I got going in my sessions, I decided to conduct my sessions with this resolution, "Relax, enjoy, and have fun!"

My Aneros tipping point occurred Mid September 2016 with my first sustainable Super-O's and MMO's which transformed my Aneros journey.

Last night I had a session where I decided to mentally focus on the P-tab spot exclusively ... This time I let the perineum be the center of the session.

@WhoWouldHaveKnown, thank you very much for sharing this idea. Who would have known (pun intended) how good this works for me, even sitting on my desk chair, just a little distracted from my work. Thank you so much, how - I - love - chair - gasms, phew! 😎

You just made my day! You seem to be a natural talent. Fine thing, gimme more!

Mart

Thank you @BigGlansDC and @SOwithoutAneros for encouraging words. I really appreciate your feedback in this thread.

Since my last post I have been trying to "replicate" the latest experience I described. I've been trying to focus mostly on the perineum and get the involuntaries going there, and through this get the feedback between the perineum and sphincter going. However, this has not been getting me back to the previous experience. As often is with Anerosing, it can be difficult to replicate experiences at will, and perhaps this is due to the fact that trying to replicate something inherently implies trying to assert control. This is one of the paradoxes of this journey: Technique / effort vs. doing nothing / letting go.

Now, yesterday I tried something new. After reading @thhn's post My first real earth shattering orgasm which again references @CaveOfMystery's original post Quick and Dirty Path to the Super-O I decided to try what worked so well for @thhn. After I had started to get the involuntaries going I started to alternate between tensing the PC muscle and the sphincter to provoke what @CaveOfMystery describes as the tug-o-war between the muscles, and what I in my previous post interpreted as a "feedback". After a little while I could feel my penis getting rock hard (it is usually flaccid during Anerosing), and I felt the pleasure build in my prostate similar to last time. It didn't last longer than perhaps a minute and I can't call it an orgasm still, but this must definitely be the start of something. Perhaps I am indeed getting closer to the tipping point.

Thanks.

Hey, @WhoWouldHaveKnown, I just leaned forward on my hands and focused on my perineum while reading your post. Standing on one foot I let my other leg sway and be subconsciously steered by some upcoming involuntaries, that caused some nice p-waves. Seemed like my subconsciousness just took the chance to massage my gland that way. Letting go some more consciously uncontrolled movements of my hips, pelvis and legs just prove, that my subconsciousness even is an expert how to start a standinggasm this way. Now I‘m executing leg moves like when marching on one spot and the orgasmic state is continuing. More and more I believe to get insights into the sexual aspects of the dances the indigenous peoples celebrate. After typing this I just started with my marching moves again and could immediately ignite a full body orgasm along with growing to half mast and already shedding a first tear from my right eye. Life has become so wonderful. Oh, yabba dabba doo!
Btw, not sticking to certain motions but letting go induces the silliest motions fully controlled by my subconsciouness and just started a very special kind of gymnastics in my bathroom, giving me pure bliss! 😀

Oh, yabba dabba doo!

Lol! Calm down buddy! I think you might be losing control!:cool:

Awakening is such a great thing @WhoWouldHaveKnown ! Your journey and discoveries are inspiring!

Calm down buddy! I think you might be losing control!:cool:

Why should I, I do love it! :p;):D

Cannabis makes unconcerned. I don't care!

The secret behind her grin.