A Treasure Map for the Unsuccessful

Apologies for the fuss with the images - It's not ideal, but i've attached them to the post and called them out in the text so they should remain available long term.

I think you are onto something there.

It's a shame the Aneros devices don't have the tab arm on an adjustable pivot that you can set to whatever angle you wish and thus adjust depth of insertion and angle of attack, but I can see how your padding might accomplish something similar. Even better with 2 pivots to give a greater range of adjustment.

Your images really show what is going on and how most of the designs seem to be too wide on the shaft, preventing the head from contacting the rectal wall nearer the anus. I guess the tapered shaft is to allow the muscles to draw the device inwards whilst also resisting expulsion, but perhaps the taper could be flattened on the side facing the prostate so that the head protrudes more against the rectal wall whilst still providing a taper to allow drawing into the body.

One would almost need a device more like the large end of the Njoy Pure Wand attached to a tab arm with an adjustable pivot or the Njoy Pure Plug with the ring replaced with a pivoting tab arm. I guess if they came out with the perfect device, they wouldn't be able to encourage upgrades.

I think I might have to experiment a bit myself.

@darian Loving your thinking, thanks for replying! I actually think the designs of the models that are already available are pretty great, and I'm sure that the process of designing is much more complex than any of us can really know, however I do think there's more variety in anatomical layout than the current range can cater for. I also see that this is a difficult problem to solve without inviting a large number of "this didn't work for me" product reviews.

I think the primary issue is that we don't currently have any sort of test to attempt to diagnose someone's internal layout. Imagine if we could come up with some kind of logical process that would characterise a given person's measurments? Then it would be much easier to advise on what might work, and hopefully lead to fewer stories along the lines of "I've been practicing for X years and still haven't got anywhere".

Ps... I'd love to hear your thoughts if you do experiment at all!

I haven't yet worked up the courage to take a grinder to my Helix to flatten the taper on one side, although I already removed the tab arm leading to the tailbone because it was poking me and uncomfortable.

@supaokami

I have to say that this post is hugely responsible for the progress in pleasure I have made in my sessions the past several weeks. It is amazing how our bodies can be slightly different and this slight change in position of the Aneros is starting to open new worlds for me. I am certainly one of the stories of “I have been doing this for almost 5 years and haven’t really gotten anywhere.” Placing some padding underneath the p-tab is definitely engaging my prostate better and I finally felt some better pleasure in my pelvic region in yesterday’s session. I’m really excited where the next weeks and months will take me…I can’t thank you enough for providing this treasure map!!

@7sdoor I wore a broad grin reading that! So happy for you! Thanks for letting me know - more discoveries on the way in the coming weeks 😉

I also experienced that changing the depth and angle of my aneros using padding or even just my hand would produce different, more pleasurable sensations when doing contractions, and I was on the brink of making a modification to my massager. However, I found that with the right amount of relaxation I was able to "make up" for any incompatibility between the Helix and my anatomy, and achieve orgasm.

If you compare the position of the aneros when your sphincter is fully relaxed, with its position when your sphincter is tense, the difference is quite drastic, much greater than most of the modifications in this thread would introduce. I am keenly aware now that in @supaokami's diagrams, the anus is not really fixed in place and your pelvic floor muscles can be used to move it around and find the right angle.

@diddlemethis You're really onto something here, and I've been following the same thought. I suppose the adjustment with pads/etc simply affects the range (deepest to shallowest point from clench to release) and moves where that range occurs - still useful IMO.

Here's another question: how much do you think the range described above varies between individuals?

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I suppose the adjustment with pads/etc simply affects the range (deepest to shallowest point from clench to release) and moves where that range occurs - still useful IMO.

Yea, it's totally useful! I hope my previous post didn't come off as dismissive; in an ideal world we'd be able to get massagers custom-made to our anatomies.

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Here's another question: how much do you think the range described above varies between individuals?

I would like to know this as well. I do know that anogenital distance (AGD) (distance from anus to midpoint of genitals) varies greatly, especially among males. I'm not a doctor, but I would think AGD has some correlation with prostate location, in that longer AGD would mean a deeper prostate. The diagram in this study of 70 adult men shows variation in AGD by as much as 4 cm!

No I didn't take it as dismissive at all, but thank you for levelling 🙃 

Holy moly that's a lot of variation! I'm surprised there's not more chat around anatomy-specifics, it feels like it could be the single biggest determining factor?

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I'm surprised there's not more chat around anatomy-specifics, it feels like it could be the single biggest determining factor?

I used to think that I was not making progress because I was missing "the spot", but I am starting to think that there's not really a "spot"; for me, the prostate and a very wide area around it is pleasurable when stimulated -- *if* I am aroused and rewired. And when I'm aroused, my prostate will swell up and become even easier to stimulate. I've done some experiments and I'm fairly certain that the head of the Progasm, for example, misses the mark and stimulates the seminal vesicles above my prostate, and my bladder. Despite that, when I am aroused, even the Progasm can bring me to orgasm. And I get awesome pleasure waves from the Tempo, which supposedly doesn't target the prostate at all!

Rather than direct stimulation, I've found better success awakening my prostate in different ways, through nipple play, "aless" play, the Tempo, and trying to get aroused mentally. Maybe if the toys were custom made for me to provide perfect prostate stimulation from the get-go, I wouldn't need to find other ways to get aroused, but I'm not so sure it works like that, for me at least.

Very interesting read, thank you for sharing!

Excellent pictures and suggestions for adjusting the position for best results! Will be fun to experiment!

@supaokami have done a little experimenting with putting various spacing on the K tab on my HSV and Eupho and find that the repositioning opens up new heights of pleasure! Have felt better contact with my prostate and achieved more Os in a shorter amount of time! So if you’re having trouble finding your sweet spot, would urge you to experiment using this technique!

@supaokami , Thank you for all your research, pictures, modeling and the like. While I have no problem using my Eupho to find exquisitely sensitive areas on my prostate, I don’t think that I engage my perineum as much as I would like as it’s my understanding that this area is part of a feedback loop between stimulation of the prostate, the perineum, and the anus that when it becomes self propagating can result in a super-O. I think that I may add a small bit of foam to see if this can help me engage the perineal area. Thanks again and keep up the good work and Good luck with your treasure hunt.