A place to discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?

@Helixer, I didn't find your replies to my posts offensive. You seem to have strong opinions about things and declare them as "the truth," but that's fine by me. You seem to be far more experienced with the Aneros than I am, so I value your perspective. I choose to read what you say and consider how it applies to me -- not as THE truth but as your truth. I have a different sense of the truth, but I don't need to agree with everything you say to pay attention and consider.

On several occasions in my life I've been absolutely certain of something that I've subsequently found to be wrong. That's why I tend to state things tentatively. But that's just my epistemological choice.

And the sneakiness of the complaint I understand is because I didn't reply to Korkelz after that who was insinuating I didn't accept other ppl's lifestyle.
Korkelz who in my thread http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/take-chance-15124/
insinuated if you didn't have his lifestyle(being married that is) you might as well be dead. I know there are a lot of single guys around that are depressed because they've been brainwashed with exactly that message. All I can say is, thank God for the Aneros!!!!

Helixer, I remember very specifically thinking "I am not here to promote marriage" when making a post in your thread. Read it again carefully, you will see that I am seeing from your viewpoint as well. My post says "...or unite your own mind and body on this level." I'm not saying be married or be dead.

Helixer, no one is really disagreeing with you. Your idea that couples can't have a super o together is confusing to me. All I know is that I have a goal with couples sex and I'm trying to reach it. If you have a name for couples being united it in extreme sexual ecstasy, let us know. Until then the term I'm going to use is "Super Orgasm."

I didn't find your replies to my posts offensive

The reason I raised the issue was because someone had complained to support that the posts I'd deleted in this thread were deleted so support couldn't see I was trolling the thread. Anyway, thanks for your honesty.

You seem to have strong opinions about things and declare them as "the truth," but that's fine by me.

It's called polemics 😉 But the issue I raised in this thread really has nothing to do with that, all I did was address a fallacy. If we start calling everything that's different from the traditional orgasm a Super O then it looses its meaning. There's really no debate. It's like if you had a pair of trousers and called it a blouse and said that was right coz they were both clothes.
As far as the traditional sex(penis orientated) and the Super O (anus orientated) is concerned try seeing them as people sitting on opposite sides of a seesaw. So a Super O would be if that person is right up and vice versa. Sure you've got variations in between but you can't have both at the same time. When the penis gets involved the type of orgasm changes from Super O into something else(the seesaw moves towards penis orientated and away from anusorientated) and vice versa.

I choose to read what you say and consider how it applies to me -- not as THE truth but as your truth. I have a different sense of the truth, but I don't need to agree with everything you say to pay attention and consider.

This to me is what every openminded person should do. The problem here is that people either agree or disagree depending on who is saying it, not if they agree or disagree. So for example if cockadoodle says something people agree, but when I say the same thing people disagree. It's this kind of groupbehaviour, lemmingism that I find abhorrent. I too judge WHAT is being said not WHO is saying it.

Just so it's clear exactly what was said:

The point of life is to experience pleasure, and there's no greater pleasure than Sexual Ecstasy. Being able to unite two bodies physically and spiritually on a transcendent level (or unite your own mind and body on this level) is the only reason to live. Otherwise, there's no point to life. If we cannot strive for this, then we might as well be dead.

I can see how you added the bracketed as an afterthought coz in the context it really doesn't make sense and is selfcontradictory. It's something akin to saying you think your race is superior then adding in brackets(but all races are equal).
Your saying the goal in life is uniting 2 ppl or uniting 1.
Do you see why I discarded the bracketed and take it with a grain of salt?
Just be truthful, if you're not truthful and start placating you just end up contradicting yourself. It's okay to have an opinion, just please don't be hypocritical when I have an opposing(though admittedly less extreme) than your own. I don't hold it against you for having this pov, we've all been brainwashed to believe this

Helixer, no one is really disagreeing with you.

Again, just be truthful.

Your idea that couples can't have a super o together is confusing to me. All I know is that I have a goal with couples sex and I'm trying to reach it. If you have a name for couples being united it in extreme sexual ecstasy, let us know. Until then the term I'm going to use is "Super Orgasm."

I'm not the one confusing things. If you don't know what a Super O is yet, but you've experienced multiple orgasms during sex what's wrong with just calling it an MMO?

Helixer, all I was trying to say is that experiencing pleasure is what life is all about. It's just natural for me to explain that from a married viewpoint.

As far as the traditional sex(penis orientated) and the Super O (anus orientated) is concerned try seeing them as people sitting on opposite sides of a seesaw. So a Super O would be if that person is right up and vice versa. Sure you've got variations in between but you can't have both at the same time. When the penis gets involved the type of orgasm changes from Super O into something else(the seesaw moves towards penis orientated and away from anusorientated) and vice versa.

Super-O is an abbreviation of "super orgasm," a term coined by Aneros user Brian Mayfield for an orgasm that steps out of the normal frame of reference. A Super-O is an overwhelmingly strong non-ejaculatory orgasm that may involve: durations of minutes at a time; full-body orgasmic waves of pleasure; intense pleasure throughout the pelvic region, particularly the prostate, rectum and surrounding muscles; loss of a sense of reality; strong emotional responses; flashes of color (optical activity in the brain); large muscle contractions; a strong sense of ejaculation (with no emission); protracted involuntary vocalizations, roars or screams; pleasant convulsions; pronounced deep or staccato pelvic thrusting or writhing; a sense of soulful release and relief; a sense of self-redefinition; and, an energized feeling immediately following orgasm and being ready for more (as opposed to post-ejaculation lethargy).

Some on the forum have learned to create orgasms with their mind. Based on what I've experienced and read on the forum, Penis vs Anus does not define whether you can experience the Super O that the Aneros Wiki describes; it's your mind.

Helixer, you call it brainwashing and a mistake of evolution. So you've managed to completely disconnect yourself from this. That's one way to do it... Why not instead have used mistake of evolution to your advantage? As in, having a spouse, having sex, bypass the evolutionary mistake that causes you to ejaculate, and go on to experience as much pleasure as the aneros gives you... except now you're sharing that experience with another living soul. That's what I'm trying to do. Helixer, let us brainwashed folk try. Let this thread to be a place for like-minded couples to discuss how to achieve the transcendent and uniting experience that I know is possible.

As I discover sex, I discover life: as I realize how extreme pleasure makes me feel, I realize how it is possible to feel that in every day life. Helps make me a happier person, helps me lift myself and lift others around me. It goes beyond sex, it is being able to experience the tangible and intangible world around you in greater detail... it's being able to feel extreme ends of emotional spectrum. It is as if I am discovering how to bring the dream world into waking life. (I'm very much into dreams 🙂 )

Sadly no, I have not experienced a true multiple orgasm. I wish to learn from the wisdom of those who have success with their spouse in this area. The Multi-Org Man book leaves me with questions... but I'm always making progress with the help of wisdom found here and the Aneros. And by the way, I've never truly had immediate reactions to using the Aneros. My success is so far found only many hours after using it.

Hi Kortelz, I have sent you 2 private messages... I don't know what's happening but they don't appear in my Outbox so I'm not sure you're getting them?

Hello Korkelz, 🙂

If you haven't already, you should have a read through artform's Aneros blog. His wife and him seem to have a lot of experience together of non-traditional couples sex. You might glean some bits of wisdom there. In addition the KSMO practice which is talked about here a fair amount here, is an alternative path to multiple dry orgasms for men, but I believe also applies for women, might be an outlet to look into.
How to Last Longer in Bed... Way Longer... Orgasms after Orgasm | Help for Premature Ejaculation + Female Multiple Orgasms and Male Multiple Orgasm

Scroll down to the bottom and have a read through the training forums. There is bound to be much good information there.

Love_is

Hi Kortelz, I have sent you 2 private messages... I don't know what's happening but they don't appear in my Outbox so I'm not sure you're getting them?

If I had more wisdom to offer I'd be able to respond right away, but have been busy.

Edit: Responded! And it seems that Artform is someone who can guide us further. Love_is, thanks for the suggestion!

ForUs said:

Helixer, I don't see why 'super-o' can't be a part of a couple's sex life. Just because it is a couple doesn't mean it has to be defined exclusively by penile stimulation to traditional orgasm. *wink* Some of our most intimate times involve supporting him (directly or indirectly) in achieving new heights, with or without gratification myself. Hubby and I are starting the journey of expanding how we define sex. It's a slow journey for us, but I am very interested in other couple's experiences.

ForUs, your spot on.

My wife often brings me to a Super O without penetration of any kind, either way. By that I mean I do not penetrate her and nor does she penetrate me, with anything what so ever. I started using the Aneros about 3 years ago and she has been bringing me to super o for the past 18 months, although we never use the Aneros during our sexual encounters (every Friday night). My wife has watched me (in all meanings of the word) on my journey and listened intently to all I have to tell her about my experiences. BTW, this would never have happened without the Aneros and all the information so generously posted to this forum. We are close to 60 and married for over 30 years but very seldom talked about sex. That was until the Aneros came into our lives and opened up a complete new world of commutation. I am at a loss to explain why but it has.

She has only ever inserted the Aneros for me on the last two occasions, although she knew I wanted her to she couldn’t bring herself to insert it (she is not into anal play), she has otherwise been very supportive of my Aneros use.

We lay naked together for quite a while kissing and cuddling (after all these years I still get an erection the minute she starts kissing me even though I have a problem with ED. Once the kissing stops the erection vanishes) after which time she is able to bring me to Super O by massaging my prostate from the outside just above the base of the penis or gently massaging my balls and perineum or very seductively kissing my breasts and nipples. She never touches my breasts until I am about to go from orgasm to supero and then she wraps her hot little mouth around my nipples and I just explode into the most wonderful super O I ever have, even better then when using the Aneros.

Sometimes I think my wife gets almost as much pleasure, seeing me squirm around the bed and scream out in erotic arousal, as I do (if that were possible). I say that because she never wants to stop and sometimes it gets so intense that I have to beg her to stop: I thinks she really likes it when that happens. She does like to please me as I do her. I do every thing and anything that turns her on including rimming without expecting it in return (though I sure wish).

Some on the forum have learned to create orgasms with their mind. Based on what I've experienced and read on the forum, Penis vs Anus does not define whether you can experience the Super O that the Aneros Wiki describes; it's your mind

Everything is in the mind, that's no argument as you quoted yourself:

intense pleasure throughout the pelvic region, particularly the prostate, rectum and surrounding muscles

The Super O is specific to the Aneros an ANALTOY and it's brought on through DIRECT prostate stimulation which is obviously much better than INDIRECT prostate stimulation. This is why it's SUPER and not just multiple orgasms

Helixer, you call it brainwashing and a mistake of evolution. So you've managed to completely disconnect yourself from this. That's one way to do it... Why not instead have used mistake of evolution to your advantage? As in, having a spouse, having sex, bypass the evolutionary mistake that causes you to ejaculate, and go on to experience as much pleasure as the aneros gives you... except now you're sharing that experience with another living soul. That's what I'm trying to do. Helixer, let us brainwashed folk try. Let this thread to be a place for like-minded couples to discuss how to achieve the transcendent and uniting experience that I know is possible.

You're the one that said you might as well be DEAD if you couldn't, implying myself and other singles should be dangling from the highest tree coz we don't have what you have. What you don't realize (or don't want to realize) is there are advantages and disadvantages to both situations. Also I don't believe society has really given us a choise, not until now at least.
The type of sharing you are talking about is purely SEXUAL, you might say it's transcedental and blabla, but if that's so you could share it with other women,men, children, animals as well. I believe ppl change over time and judging by how the divorce-rate is skyrocketing with ppl's freedom in modern times to choose this is all to accurate. Anyway I can go on and on, but this isn't the thread for it. If you want to discuss this you should start a thread partner vs no partner or the like.

As I discover sex, I discover life: as I realize how extreme pleasure makes me feel, I realize how it is possible to feel that in every day life. Helps make me a happier person, helps me lift myself and lift others around me. It goes beyond sex, it is being able to experience the tangible and intangible world around you in greater detail... it's being able to feel extreme ends of emotional spectrum. It is as if I am discovering how to bring the dream world into waking life. (I'm very much into dreams 🙂 )

Since you believe life is all about sexual union/ecstasy I can understand that. I guess we all have different goals in life. Just for the record there's a pleasure much more fulfilling than the sexual and letting go of the sexual is preconditional to achieving this, but since we're talking couples sex here I won't expand on that here.

Sadly no, I have not experienced a true multiple orgasm. I wish to learn from the wisdom of those who have success with their spouse in this area.

hmm, so what did you mention here then?

So, we did this a few nights ago. I think I had a dry orgasm! After some thrusting, I began to have involuntary contractions; I thought I might be ejaculating, but checked and all that came was a drop of cloudy pre-cum. Now I know not to expect dry orgasms to be completely dry. No loss of arousal or erection! I believe my fear of ejaculating prevented me from focusing on the pleasure of involuntaries though

Or did you not come after that?

@Downunder: Couples sex to me implies sexual intercourse. But Super O-ing with the partner in supportive role, if it works for you great!
Perhaps coz you're older and have lived together for so long. This for younger couples, especially for men who haven't yet experienced a Super O, IMO would only make it harder if not impossible to achieve a Super O. A Super O really makes a partner superfluous as you focus inwards on the amazing pleasure building inside you.

Hey Guys,

speaking from my own experience. I know what a Super-O feels like. And I know what an MMO feels like. I've been enjoying both of them for over a decade now.

It took a lot of time and practice before I learned how, but I have on many occasions enjoyed both the full-blown, prostate-centered Super-O and the penile-centered, non-ejaculatory MMO simultaneously as well as separately, over and over again, in the same session for hours, while using plenty of penile stimulation. I did this almost every day for about 18 months. So I know it's certainly possible for me. I'm pretty sure it's possible for most men with enough information, time, and practice.

In my opinion, it's the equivalent of a woman learning how to simultaneously enjoy intense g-spot orgasms from intercourse while learning to maintain her awareness through the pleasure enough to stimulate her clitoris to bring on yet another completely different type of none-the-less simultaneous orgasms. And once this is learned, it gets easier to go on having both types whether together or separately throughout the rest of the session. At least this is how it was for me, learning to orgasm from two places at once (and I'm not even going to try to explain where the Third Eye, Heart, and Crown Chakra Orgasms fit into all this).

In my opinion, the belief that Super-O's cannot be experienced in the presence of penile orgasm, stimulation, or sexual intercourse is similar to the still commonly held belief that men can't have orgasms without ejaculating, one is inclined to accept the limitation as truth unless/until they feel it for themselves to be otherwise.

Oh and Korkelz, I can understand your hesitation, $75 is a lot to ask. But in my opinion, the value comes from having access to a live teacher with well over a decade of experience in helping men "get it" quickly and easily via live chats. If you're willing to actually step into the chat room and tell Jack what you need help with in your practice, he can save you weeks and months of scavenging the forums for information by getting straight to the heart of what you need to change in order to get the results you want. And he remains available for this level of personal live coaching indefinitely until you get it, no matter how long it takes. In fact, I'm considering going back to Jack for advice even now because as my body has changed, so has my KSMO practice, and I for one am glad to know that as a paying customer, Jack is contractually obligated to answer any questions I might have on the matter. 😉

Best of Luck,

Pan

Ok, I understand the implications of what I'm saying and why couples will gainsay it ad nauseam. A Super O is an mmo, but not all mmo's are Super O's. You can have blended orgasms, but that isn't a Super O, again the seesaw analogy. I know you couples want to feel special, but please a little common sense. When I start stimulating my penis when I'm Super O-ing, blood flows from my (engorged)anus to my penis as does the focus and the sensation changes. Even when I'm Super O-ing, occasionally my penis will get hard and the orgasm becomes less super>the seesaw analogy, I can't describe it any better than that

Thankyou Pam for you wonderful insights, i appriciate it a lot.

The Super O is specific to the Aneros an ANALTOY and it's brought on through DIRECT prostate stimulation which is obviously much better than INDIRECT prostate stimulation. This is why it's SUPER and not just multiple orgasms

I have to disagree on that point, even though aneros obviously takes you there under the right condition. It's not the ONLY way to go there. You don't need DIRECT prostate stimulation, u don't even need INDIRECT prostate stimulation. You said it yourself....

You talked about 'plug 'n play' if i remember it correctly, you started out with the helix, then super-o:ed and then you removed the toy and continued on for hours, HOW is that possible if you need 'direct' or 'indirect' prostate stimulation? Is it then so hard to believe that there is a way to go 'there' without the stimulation from the helix in the first place?

People have been super-o:in before aneros was even invented, or the term coined. You get locked down if you think a little toy is needed to experience things.You can go there without putting stuff up your behind, but it takes lots and lots of practice, dicipline and most importantly an open mind.

Helixer -

Why are you so damned invested in convincing others that your particular opinions are gospel? This is what I mean when I said you are a troll. There are a great number of people, in this thread and elsewhere some of whom (such Artforum and Pan) clearly have far more experience in this realm than most of us combined, who do not share your conviction that the Super-O is Only One Thing, that does not overlap or combine with other related energies and experiences.

Most of us use these forums as an open, cheerful discussion to explore areas that are, by their very nature, nebulous, mercurial, and open-ended. You on the other hand act as though your understanding of it all is the only valid interpretation, the rest of us be damned. You are the wise master, the rest of us are simply delusional, wishful thinkers.

Is it any wonder many of us dread when you choose to join in these discussions? Not only are you a troll, but you are a bummer to boot. You must be great fun at parties.

k

You talked about 'plug 'n play' if i remember it correctly, you started out with the helix, then super-o:ed and then you removed the toy and continued on for hours, HOW is that possible if you need 'direct' or 'indirect' prostate stimulation? Is it then so hard to believe that there is a way to go 'there' without the stimulation from the helix in the first place?

P'n'P is basically the thc version of echo-effects. It's like when you've been on a boat for a long time, when you get off you still feel like you're sailing the waves. For some reason(perhaps coz my sessions are generally longer coz I loose track of time or coz of overall increase in sensitivity) those echo effects are much more pronounced so there's virtually no difference between having the Aneros in or out.
BUT, this didn't come about by spanking my monkey, this is thru direct prostate stimulation! Sure it can continue for hours, so the one way to bring down the intensity would be penile stimulation. If you're referring to the dry O's even after that as Super O I strongly disagree, MMO's yes, Super O no!

People have been super-o:in before aneros was even invented, or the term coined. You get locked down if you think a little toy is needed to experience things.You can go there without putting stuff up your behind, but it takes lots and lots of practice, dicipline and most importantly an open mind

If it was possible for people to have Super O's before the Aneros was invented(must have had some staying power in their stinky pinky) it would have occured the same way, namely thru direct prostate stimulation. But to my knowledge, apart from the milking, or even dry Os I haven't heard of anything like it before I became familiar with the Aneros. The design is genius! Tailor made to stimulate the prostate and the anal cavity.
Thus the Super O is a type of mmo that would be near impossible to achieve without the Aneros or a similar prostate massager.
So with all respect, I think you (and the others) are confusing the Super O with other mmo's

@karyon: vilify all you like, I call it as I see it and how I've experienced it. Just coz they've been doing it longer doesn't mean they have to be more knowledgeable. The Aneros is a very new thing. To draw the parallel with computers would you say that a programmer from the sixties would be better than a 14 year old programmer of today? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 14 year olds are generally better, coz they are younger and have to unlearn less stuff they get the newest stuff right away and generally learn quicker as well.
I don't claim to be a prodigy, but similarly I'm single, meaning I don't get distracted so I can focus on the inward pleasure and probably more importantly I have access to some of the best thc in the world! This heightened sensitivity has helped me learn a lot quicker.
I've experienced firsthand what it's like going beyond the sexual, not only does it feel much better, it's a very liberating experience.

Ps: you remind me of that expression, something with a pot and a kettle?

P'n'P is basically the thc version of echo-effects. It's like when you've been on a boat for a long time, when you get off you still feel like you're sailing the waves. For some reason(perhaps coz my sessions are generally longer coz I loose track of time or coz of overall increase in sensitivity) those echo effects are much more pronounced so there's virtually no difference between having the Aneros in or out.

So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything?

If it was possible for people to have Super O's before the Aneros was invented(must have had some staying power in their stinky pinky) it would have occured the same way, namely thru direct prostate stimulation. But to my knowledge, apart from the milking, or even dry Os I haven't heard of anything like it before

So you think you're the only one who has experienced a super-o, in all the millenias of man, no one could ever come this far? Well, things get a little distorted through the millenias passing from one person to another, but yes, it has happened before, and yes it made an impact. There are religions based on the super-o, religions that started thousands of years ago.

What would you think if you came across the super-o a millenia ago? How would you interpret it? An act of divine intervention? a direct connection with god? a little slice of heaven? The path to immortality and beyond? And if you found the 'path to god', would you then share it with the whole world, or keep it a secret only to be shared with a special few 'followers'. and what happens next? have other 'normal' people look up to theese 'grand masters' that has the ability to 'connect' with god?

So you think you're the only one who has experienced a super-o, in all the millenias of man, no one could ever come this far?

How is that a logical deduction?Where did I say that?

There are religions based on the super-o, religions that started thousands of years ago.

You've got my attention, tell me more!

And if you found the 'path to god', would you then share it with the whole world, or keep it a secret only to be shared with a special few 'followers'. and what happens next? have other 'normal' people look up to theese 'grand masters' that has the ability to 'connect' with god?

If I ever found such a path I'd keep it secret, for obvious reasons
Although, I might not be able to help myself, despite knowing better
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So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything

Dry O's, again isn't the same as Super O, stop putting words in my mouth

Hey Guys,

speaking from my own experience. I know what a Super-O feels like. And I know what an MMO feels like. I've been enjoying both of them for over a decade now.

It took a lot of time and practice before I learned how, but I have on many occasions enjoyed both the full-blown, prostate-centered Super-O and the penile-centered, non-ejaculatory MMO simultaneously as well as separately, over and over again, in the same session for hours, while using plenty of penile stimulation. I did this almost every day for about 18 months. So I know it's certainly possible for me. I'm pretty sure it's possible for most men with enough information, time, and practice.

In my opinion, it's the equivalent of a woman learning how to simultaneously enjoy intense g-spot orgasms from intercourse while learning to maintain her awareness through the pleasure enough to stimulate her clitoris to bring on yet another completely different type of none-the-less simultaneous orgasms. And once this is learned, it gets easier to go on having both types whether together or separately throughout the rest of the session. At least this is how it was for me, learning to orgasm from two places at once (and I'm not even going to try to explain where the Third Eye, Heart, and Crown Chakra Orgasms fit into all this).

In my opinion, the belief that Super-O's cannot be experienced in the presence of penile orgasm, stimulation, or sexual intercourse is similar to the still commonly held belief that men can't have orgasms without ejaculating, one is inclined to accept the limitation as truth unless/until they feel it for themselves to be otherwise.

. . .

Best of Luck,

Pan

Pan -

Great to have you chime in here, as your posts here and at the ksmo forum (as well as your audio interview with Jack) have been really helpful in my own practices.

I'm wondering if you might be willing to elaborate more on what you feel are the distinctions between the Super-O and KSMO generated MMOs. I'm guilty of working toward both concurrently, and have had my best experiences when combining the Aneros devices WITH the Key Sound. I've had only subtle effects when doing the KS practice alone (though I am 100% positive that I am making progress). I suspect that what I have experienced is a KS-assisted Super-O, rather than a true MMO, but really, I have no benchmark to distinguish one from the other.

Thanks
K

So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything?

Dry O's, again isn't the same as Super O, stop putting words in my mouth

I'm sorry, it was not my intention to put words in your mouth, it was a statement formulated as a question, if it is possible to experience a dry-O without an aneros (hence "anerosless"). And i do believe you responded indirectly to that question, that it is indeed possible to have an anerosless dry-o.

.....so with all respect, I think you (and the others) are confusing the Super O with other mmo's.

So why is a super-o possible only with an aneros, and not without it? What makes it truly unique in creating a super-o? Why is there no other way?

Is it the prostate stimulation? Many things can stimulate your prostate, your breathing, your movement of your body, musclespasms, not to mention that the area around the prostate, and the prostate itself is surronded by muscle tissue. With lots of movement controlled by the autonomus nerve system, like the peristal movement of the colomn etc.

Oh and Korkelz, I can understand your hesitation, $75 is a lot to ask. But in my opinion, the value comes from having access to a live teacher with well over a decade of experience in helping men "get it" quickly and easily via live chats.

Can Jack help women to use his technique as well?

Yes, his technique works very well for women aswell. If you browse around on their site you'll find some statements from a girl talking about it. And some says that it gets a lot easier with KSMO if you're already rewired the aneros way, or partially.

ForUs said

Helixer, I don't see why 'super-o' can't be a part of a couple's sex life. Just because it is a couple doesn't mean it has to be defined exclusively by penile stimulation to traditional orgasm. *wink* Some of our most intimate times involve supporting him (directly or indirectly) in achieving new heights, with or without gratification myself. Hubby and I are starting the journey of expanding how we define sex. It's a slow journey for us, but I am very interested in other couple's experiences.

My wife often brings me to a Super O without penetration of any kind, either way. By that I mean I do not penetrate her and nor does she penetrate me, with anything what so ever. I started using the Aneros about 3 years ago and she has been bringing me to super o for the past 18 months, although we never use the Aneros during our sexual encounters (every Friday night). My wife has watched me (in all meanings of the word) on my journey and listened intently to all I have to tell her about my experiences. BTW, this would never have happened without the Aneros and all the information so generously posted to this forum. We are close to 60 and married for almost 40 years but very seldom talked about sex. That was until the Aneros came into our lives and opened up a complete new world of commutation. I am at a loss to explain why but it has.

She has only ever inserted the Aneros for me on the last two occasions, although she knew I wanted her to she couldn’t bring herself to insert it (she is not into anal play), she has otherwise been very supportive of my Aneros use.

We lay naked together for quite a while kissing and cuddling (after all these years I still get an erection the minute she starts kissing me even though I have a problem with ED. Once the kissing stops the erection vanishes) after which time she is able to bring me to Super O by massaging my prostate from the outside just above the base of the penis or gently massaging my balls and perineum or very seductively kissing my breasts and nipples. She never touches my breasts until I am about to go from orgasm to supero and then she wraps her hot little mouth around my nipples and I just explode into the most wonderful super O I could ever hope for, as good as when using the Aneros.

Sometimes I think my wife gets almost as much pleasure seeing me squirm around the bed and scream out in erotic arousal as I do (if that were possible). I say that because she never wants to stop and sometimes it gets so intense that I have to beg her to stop: I thinks she really likes it when that happens.

So I believe you can have a Super o without the Aneros, however the bond built up between us over a long period of time may well have something to do with it?

Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply, Aneros downunder! Your description of how you and your wife have integrated this into your life together is exactly what I have been imagining and hoping for. We don't have quite as many miles on our road (ages 39/47, married 20yrs) but ED has started to pay a role for us already. The picture you paint of how your wife loves you beautiful. I can only hope that my hubby follows through with rewiring once we are able to get a unit. It's encouraging beyond words to hear that your wife has been involved from the beginning of your journey- not only because HELLO I don't wanna miss that! but also because he has always been very firm on wanting to keep all aspects of his sexuality between us, to the point that he doesn't use any porn and has refrained from maturbating alone for the most part. Knowing him, he may struggle with what he may see as a lack of connection. Your model is something I'll share with him and keep in mind going forward.

(And funny you should mention the inequality with rimming- for us it is the opposite! I'm not comfortable receiving it yet, but the first time I tried it on him was the first time he had a dry O. We had no idea yet what we had found, but I was hooked!)

Thankyou ForUs for your kind words and I ‘m glad you found something useful from my post. The most difficult part of my journey has been to get my wife to insert the aneros. She is an ex nurse from the old days when hygiene was paramount in hospitals (it’s a lot more relaxed today) and she sees anything to do with touching the anus as not very hygienic, at least that is my read on it.

I have tried for a long time to think of a way to slowly bring her around and did so by getting her to shave my perineum on the pretext the hairs pull when using the Aneros. Then one night I prepared the Aneros and myself in advance. When she was finished shaving I suggested that while she was at it she may as well insert the aneros. Much to my surprise she agreed and again on the next occasion. Next I’m going to ask her to push some of the thick lube in to me with her finger (gloves perhaps?).

So I might be slowly breaking down the barrier though I know she will never rim me (your husband is a very lucky man, you can tell him from me) I’m just hoping that one day she will give me a prostate massage.

I also masturbate with her knowledge in fact after we go to bed I might masturbate while my wife reads a book. It’s such a turn on knowing that some times she is actually watching me. I don’t use a fist; I use fingertips, both hands for up to 2 hours. She has learnt so much about what I like from watching me pleasure myself. Before the aneros usage broke down the barrier I always masturbated in private without her knowledge.

Now if I could just get her to masturbate in front of me: what a turn on.

You mentioned your husband had a dry O when you were rimming him. Well I believe my wife had one when I was rimming her, most likely an anal orgasm. Anyway she wouldn’t admit it but I’m absolutely sure she did. I had her really turned on from a lot of earlier foreplay when I started rimming. She will usually only allow so much before she directs me on to other places. However, this night she allowed me to rim her for about 20/30 minutes at least and she just exploded. Not sure why she wouldn’t admit it, something to do with her hang-ups. After all she did board in a convent as a child.

Aneros downunder, I know from my years working as a midwifery assistant that I am much less squeamish in general if I'm wearing gloves. It might really help her get past any mental blocks she may have if she uses them for any digital contact (keeping in mind that she may choose to forego them later). Make sure they are thin and fit her well, though. Baggy vinyl or thick nitrile gloves would most likely be frustrating for her- it's tough enough figuring out what is where in there as it is!

Although my girlfriend and I are just starting to use the Aneros (so no Super-Os yet...) we have tried other related types of external pressure and massage techniques that I have shared with others here. I do agree that The Multi-Orgasmic Man book is a good source for techniques and information for enhancing couples sex. I read it a few years ago and have had some pretty good results both doing solo and when with my girlfriend. The muscle control learning outlined in the book is good for learning control, but I also find it can be a hit or miss and distracting since you are also typically trying to concentrate very hard while contracting to avoid ejaculation. This is more of a challenge when you are trying to keep pace satisfying your partner at the same time.

While squeezing I will also manually put very firm pressure on that soft deep spot of my perineum. Doing both seems to works more often for me; although it is not a "hands off" technique so often brought up as important in the book and elsewhere. My girlfriend now knows where the spot is. If we get to a point where I just have to orgasm and she is not ready or wanting to come yet, we will move to a position where she has easy access to my spot (like in a reverse cowgirl position) and I will follow through and take my orgasm while she pushes very hard and deep with two fingers on that spot while I squeeze. I can also reach around and apply the pressure myself when we do it doggie style, and have also tried it during oral sex. By doing this, she gets to feel my orgasms (thrusting, increased hardness and head growth, and pulsations), but I don't ejaculate; increasing my semen retention and keeping the sexual energy and desire at a very high level.

Often there will be a short refraction period and some slight softening of my erection, but that typically quickly recovers because we are still engaged in having sexplay and the desire and energy has not been satiated. I have done this twice in a row before finally letting go and ejaculating on the third orgasm. We have both noticed a substantial increase in my ejaculate amount, and in the number of pulsations and length of my final orgasm when it does finally happen.

There are many other techniques in that book (for breathing, etc...) that are very interesting and helpful.

Hey, just posted this in my blog, wanted to share my experience with you guys.

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Here's a quick tip. Have some good sex, do not ejaculate, then wait 5 - 20 minutes and insert the aneros. It also helps if you've not ejaculated for a while and thus giving you a high sex drive/arousal. Insert the aneros and manually apply pressure with the aneros to your prostate to get that "need to pee" sensation. You should have some cum drip or even spill out. This should take 10 - 60 seconds. Don't keep pushing it if nothing seems to want to come out.

If stuff does drip out, good! It means there's a good chance you'll have some kind of success with this aneros session.

BUILDING AROUSAL
I build my arousal with nipple stimulation, sex and intimacy with my wife, and some aneros use. Also I've been trying something new, taking a shower before bed and sleeping naked; being free and fresh seems to encourage more erections... also allows chances of erogenous zones to be stimulated by mistake... by the wife or the bed sheets, heheh!

For me, I only experience pleasure during an aneros session if I'm highly aroused and I can only be highly aroused when I avoid ejaculation for as long as possible. I've gotten pretty good at resisting the urge to pour over into the refractory period. Now I have a new problem, learning to cope with constant pleasure.

One reason I like to be highly aroused is so that my wife can make me hard and throbbing at the push of a button. It gives me the desired effect of feeling like my body is my wife's play thing. One time I was aroused in a way which caused me to have the most deepest desire of love and attraction toward her I ever felt; I wanted to cling to her at every moment (which I did during a movie that day). I'd like to experience that again. This requires Super Arousal and lenghtly intimate sex without ejaculating.

I have a theory that it's possible for couples to feel that sparkly magic that we feel the first time we hold hands or first kiss, etc.

EXPERIENCING SUPER A
Last night, all it took was a few light touches of a nipple. At the push of a button, my wife turned me on. I don't think I got any sleep that night. Night very slowly became early morning... only when I was totally relaxed and wasn't thinking about anything sexual did I feel I might be able to fall asleep. These moments didn't last longer than 15 seconds... as soon as a stray thought went to my penis, I was reminded of the constant pleasure I was feeling from the tip, shaft, perinium, all the way back to the anus. This would cause an intense throbbing erection that would last minutes at a time. The simple feeling of blood engorging my shaft was enough to make me moan. I went from hard to soft and back over and over in the course of many hours, letting out a quiet moan each time (didn't want to wake the wife). At one point even my heart became a source of sexual stimulation; I could feel its pulses stimulating the frenulum.

During this I would sometimes stimulate my nipples causing my penis to go from erect to fully inflated. This caused my heart to beat wildly... At one point I felt like I was getting exhausted; my body was so sensitive that I no longer had a desire to touch my erogenous zones and instead just wanted to caress my skin; relax in pleasure. Also, any slight brush against my nipples sent GRABBING pleasure to my entire shaft and prostate; difficult to avoid.

Eventually I had to use the bathroom... turned out to be very difficult. The constant pleasure wouldn't quit long enough for my body to release urine. Instead, I went back and forth from dripping pre-cum to dripping urine a few times; decided to give up on that. The sight of my glans penis (the head) being fully inflated, red and shiny, like it was about to burst didn't help either! (It's the look of when you hold a strong contraction while fully erect)

I could feel my prostate begging to be stimulated (a first for me); inserting the aneros immediately caused a few drips of cum, a very good sign. Of course the aneros only did what it was made to do, exaggerate everything that I was already feeling.

FINAL COMMENTS
All this lasted until it was time to get out of bed... I was desparate for morning to come! Supressing involuntary vocalizations was becoming too much. Many times I felt at the edge of a hands-free ejaculatory orgasm... Sometimes it feels like I'm battling my body; Body doesn't want to me to experience the pleasure of a dry o, so it does its best to torture me with unrelenting pleasure that leads nowhere as a way to tempt me to end it a wet o. Hopefully I'll transition to dry o soon. What a night... and I'm still feeling a light sense of that pleasure now.

I experienced many delicious emotions as well. I felt like I was one with my body, comparable to being in a dream-like state, totally free to experience unlimited pleasure (more like unrelenting pleasure *evil laugh* ), because every part of my body was more sensitive than I've ever experienced, akin to the dream world. Also, I exercised after the shower, pumped my muscles and felt manly/sexy... my chest, abs, and arms are starting to show these days as well. 🙂 It's important to for me like what I see in the mirror, it adds another dimension to sexual satisfaction.

That's another good tip, feel sexy.

ForUs said

My wife often brings me to a Super O without penetration of any kind, either way. By that I mean I do not penetrate her and nor does she penetrate me, with anything what so ever. I started using the Aneros about 3 years ago and she has been bringing me to super o for the past 18 months, although we never use the Aneros during our sexual encounters (every Friday night). My wife has watched me (in all meanings of the word) on my journey and listened intently to all I have to tell her about my experiences. BTW, this would never have happened without the Aneros and all the information so generously posted to this forum. We are close to 60 and married for almost 40 years but very seldom talked about sex. That was until the Aneros came into our lives and opened up a complete new world of commutation. I am at a loss to explain why but it has.

She has only ever inserted the Aneros for me on the last two occasions, although she knew I wanted her to she couldn’t bring herself to insert it (she is not into anal play), she has otherwise been very supportive of my Aneros use.

We lay naked together for quite a while kissing and cuddling (after all these years I still get an erection the minute she starts kissing me even though I have a problem with ED. Once the kissing stops the erection vanishes) after which time she is able to bring me to Super O by massaging my prostate from the outside just above the base of the penis or gently massaging my balls and perineum or very seductively kissing my breasts and nipples. She never touches my breasts until I am about to go from orgasm to supero and then she wraps her hot little mouth around my nipples and I just explode into the most wonderful super O I could ever hope for, as good as when using the Aneros.

Sometimes I think my wife gets almost as much pleasure seeing me squirm around the bed and scream out in erotic arousal as I do (if that were possible). I say that because she never wants to stop and sometimes it gets so intense that I have to beg her to stop: I thinks she really likes it when that happens.

So I believe you can have a Super o without the Aneros, however the bond built up between us over a long period of time may well have something to do with it?

Can you explain how? Also does she cater to you as much as you cater to her?