A place to discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?

Isn't Super O Couples Sexs a contradictio in terminis? Like a square circle?

Maybe I'm misinformed and using terms incorrectly. I just mean to say achieving the amazing sexual experiences that are spoken about in the Multi Orgasmic Man book.

I'll be following this thread although I don't have a lot to offer besides a newbie's perspective. 😀

Helixer, I don't see why 'super-o' can't be a part of a couple's sex life. Just because it is a couple doesn't mean it has to be defined exclusively by penile stimulation to traditional orgasm. *wink* Some of our most intimate times involve supporting him (directly or indirectly) in achieving new heights, with or without gratification myself. Hubby and I are starting the journey of expanding how we define sex. It's a slow journey for us, but I am very interested in other couple's experiences.

Helixer, dood, you're very good at expression your own views on life. But it's very important that all of us accept everyone's lifestyle. I can accept that you think marriage is an evolutionary misconception, so please accept that some of us want to live a married life.

Hi again Korkelz!! 😀 😀

Thank you very much for this post and suggestion!

Is there a place to discuss couples sex and achieving super-os? Possibly one of the Groups? Maybe I could start a new group. I'm reading Multi-Orgasmic Man and I wish I could ask questions just like people do for the Aneros. I would join KSMO forum, but it's $75. Maybe there's another forum focusing on couples with a similar wealth of knowledge of the Aneros forum?

No Helixer, respectfully, "Super O Couples Sexs" is absolutely not "a contradictio in terminis". While mrs. a and I are at different stages in the orgasmic energies work that can emerge from Aneros and/or KSMO practices, we have amazing Super-O and Beyond experiences together, and we continue growing as a couple and as individuals in these astounding possibilities.

I would be very interested in participating in a Couples Group here Korkelz. Many of the seniors here, like us, have thought that that might get a start in the new Seniors Lounge Group, but I believe that these possibilities are there for couples of all ages. Let's see if some of those interested in a Couples Group might gather in the extended Chat over the holidays to test interest in such a group.

ForUs, congratulations, you are doing wonderful things!! Everyone interested could benefit, IMHO, from Mantak Chia & Co's book: The MultiOrgasmic Couple, as a great guidebook, even if our methods of getting there are different.

ForUs, for yourself, you may be interested too in the Magic Banana: http://www.femenex.net/magicbanana/index.php This looks like a great possibility for female prostate (G-spot) exploration and development, the closest thing to a female aneros. (HINT Aneros: this could make a great complementary item in the "...For Women" section in the Store here!!

all the best to every individual journey and every m/f couple journey together, and every m/m couple and f/f couple also exploring with us all, these universal bioenergetic ecstatic potentialities all

artform

Isn't Super O Couples Sexs a contradictio in terminis? Like a square circle?

Not really. Once my wife and I had a simultanious orgasm, and WOW!! It's still been the orgasm to beat, and I've come somewhat close to a Super-O a couple of times, When her vagina is spasming against your spasming penis, the sensations are multiplied, and it's a sensation that has to be experinced to comprehend. She nearly cried out! (which is saying a lot about her: she's as silent as a mouse for fear that the neighbors across the road, 200 meters away would hear her moan inside their house)

Thanks for the recommendation, Artform- that banana looks great! Certainly like the aneros analog 😀 My general tone is fine considering my age and reproductive history, but I've never been sure how to practice isolating specific muscles/movement. This simple little gizmo is now on the wish list!

My wife and I are going through the Multi Orgasmic Male book too. I would love to find a place where others discuss their experiences and offer tips and advice. But not for $75. 🙂

One thing I'm having no end of trouble with is moving the energy. Another thing is feeling contractions before the penile orgasm. The most important steps seem to be the ones that the book just skims over, as if it's easy "just move the energy!" yeah right, this is very frustrating. I'm so lost when it comes to this stuff. For KSMO, is it required that you do it "spot on" or is it pretty straight forward?

I'm not familiar with the Multi Orgasmic Male book other than hearing about it but have really enjoyed seeing this past year how getting to the point of having super-O's enhances traditional orgasm during sex. Would enjoy learning more from this discussion or any group that forms.

Ok, question! I stimulate myself... I get a just past the point of no return and squeeze my kegel muscle to prevent ejaculating... After a few moments (until the sting of ejaculation subsides) I let go and let involuntary contractions happen... no semen comes out... but lots of clear-watery-slippery liquid does. It's not pre-cum (cowper's gland secretion) because it's in no way stringy, and has a tiny bit of an abrasive feel. I then go on to do this maybe 4 times. I'm doing this to try to experience involuntary contractions before the point of no return.

Due to this leading to a loss of arousal/sexual energy (refractory period) I don't feel it's a very productive practice. So the question is... has anyone else experimented with this? What are your thoughts?

Edit: Oh wait I think I'm leaving out a key to making this happen. I am also thrusting my hand into my perinium in rhythm with the penile stimulation, trying to feel as much sensation in the prostate area as possible and also trying to get to PoNR with perinium stimulation.

Edit: An easier technique is to place fingers below scrotum and massage down toward to anus as a way to feel prostate-area pleasure. This should lead to leaking clear slippery stuff even without contractions.

Hello Korkelz, 🙂

I don't know what to tell you, as I have no direct experience in what you are talking about. But it sure sounds a lot like what is being discussed in the following thread.

http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/off-topic-male-version-female-ejaculation-squirting-13579/

It's also mentioned as a possible outcome of a type of orgasm from a man being pegged.

http://tribes.tribe.net/peggingisforeveryone/thread/84aba9a9-3d35-4707-ae6d-1f6ea4c34d36

Love_is

Is there a place to discuss couples sex and achieving super-os? Possibly one of the Groups? Maybe I could start a new group. I'm reading Multi-Orgasmic Man and I wish I could ask questions just like people do for the Aneros. I would join KSMO forum, but it's $75. Maybe there's another forum focusing on couples with a similar wealth of knowledge of the Aneros forum?

I think the energy sharing you seem to be referencing and has been so eloquently described by artform quite often is a very special level to reach and my wife and I frequently experience this without intercourse being involved. The mutli orgasmic nature is so profound it can generate energy to be carried hours beyond. I think the discussion is a valuable one for many couples. Finding this in our 50's has been a wonderful gift and helped us bridge menopausal gaps that have existed for my wife. The breadth and depth of what we experience, with up to two hour lovemaking/orgasm sessions, is so much more than the previous 15 to 30 minute focus on a main event and the resulting crash. Let's talk some more as art suggests and perhaps another group is warranted,

No Helixer, respectfully, "Super O Couples Sexs" is absolutely not "a contradictio in terminis". While mrs. a and I are at different stages in the orgasmic energies work that can emerge from Aneros and/or KSMO practices, we have amazing Super-O and Beyond experiences together, and we continue growing as a couple and as individuals in these astounding possibilities

To keep it short and simple, and so we're in agreement over the semantics.
The Super O is something feminine. This is why it works so well with cannabis. These orgasms are relatively long to start up but very intense and longlasting when finally fully 'engorged'. If you're a man traditional couplesex, no matter how much better it feels now you're rewired in comparison to the traditional orgasm, will have the PENIS as starting point, so you may have dry orgasms and a wholebody glow(especially the shaft)but it will still take on the characteristics of the male energy, meaning a comparitively much more rapid build up and drop off of the climax. And arguably far less satisfying.So I presume you mean Super only in camparison to traditional sex?, coz if you mean compared to the more mindblowing prostatecentred experience then I can only conclude sex with your wife is preventing you from achieving your true potential with orgasm

BTW as a person that's read both 'MultiOrgasmic Man" &"Awakening the Healing Energy"I find the latter the better suited for my 'postorgasmic needs'.It's the very basics of energy work and a lot of other healthpractise methods are discussed.

@Helixer: I agree with some of your premises, but I can think of other ways it could go. I agree that the Super O is feminine. And I agree that traditional couplesex has the penis as the starting point. But the Aneros journey is about rewiring the traditional ways. The traditional penis centered approach is to build the energy quickly and orgasm/ejaculate. Through aneros and anerosless meditations I have rewired so that penile/ejaculatory orgasm is no longer central. However, even after two years of meditation I can still feel the impulses of the old wiring.

I don't see why it would't be possible to bring the rewiring to couplesex. I had to bring discipline to my meditations to avoid masturbating to ejaculation before I learned to move the center from my penis. Why would it be impossible to do the same with couplesex? I agree that it might be very difficult, but why shouldn't rewiring be possible?

I can also interpret the super-o as simultaneously feminine and masculine. As I move the energy, I have a sense of both receiving energy (feminine) as well as sending energy (masculine). I see no reason I can't bring that to couplesex.

I believe you can be both passive and active, but NOT at the same time. Like you can''t go left and right at the same or night and day, hot and cold not without completely neutralizing both

And presuming your penis is at least hard when you're engaging in intercourse, you will have to be penisfocussed you can't keep that focus away from your penis or it will eventually become flaccid.

You can't Super O being penisfocussed, you have to be analfocussed. It's logical why analfocussed gives the most amazing orgasms, coz after all this is direct prostate stimulation (and your analregion is also very sensitive) while penile is only indirect
Ergo, a Super O only happens when you're closest to the action

@Helixer: I hear ya. I'm not convinced that active and passive are mutually exclusive (like left and right or hot and cold). In energy work I think of active as drawing energy from the earth, raising it through the chakras, and releasing it through the crown. I think of passive as receiving energy through the crown and passing it into the earth. The two flows can happen simultaneously.

I've often had intercourse that starts with a flaccid penis. It's a technique where you start 'cold' and warm up slowly. The idea is to allow consciousness to transcend and include all centers of sensation (anus, penis, etc.), and to experience the more holistic flow of energy. As attention is drawn to the penis and ejaculation (as it will), that focus is released and redirected to the breath and the whole-body flow of energy, the same way one would release distracting thoughts during a meditation.

A big part of my journey is discovering that things I held as intuitively obvious are wrong. Physical world analogies can be very useful, but they can also limit our ability to see beyond the physical into the energetic.

I suppose you can also be positive and negative simultaneously or do things change when I describe the same thing with different words?

I have a long journey of rewiring ahead of me, so I don't know everything, but it seems to me that one day I will be able to compare a prostate orgasm VS multiple full body orgasms through couple sex and I believe that I will find they are different and that one is not better than the other. Also, with a couple you can have that transfer of energy from one body to the next going on. You are experiencing it with another person. That leaves room for many more sensations and emotions.

Helix, fine, you can say whatever you like, that Super O is only achieved through prostate stimulation. Also, I don't have enough experience to really say whether I can technically be penis-unfocused with couples sex, but who is to say that's going to prevent extreme and lasting pleasure (like a Super O)? Now let me share my latest experience.

My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.

So, we did this a few nights ago. I think I had a dry orgasm! After some thrusting, I began to have involuntary contractions; I thought I might be ejaculating, but checked and all that came was a drop of cloudy pre-cum. Now I know not to expect dry orgasms to be completely dry. No loss of arousal or erection! I believe my fear of ejaculating prevented me from focusing on the pleasure of involuntaries though.

After exhanging a few words about our day, my wife used her kegel muscles to "squeeze" me as she caressed my skin and stimulated a nipple and it was very pleasurable, I'd say it was penis-focused, but I haven't previously been able to feel such pleasure with this kind of subtle stim.

The next morning (and I haven't ejaculated for a while now) I was feeling all sorts of P-waves, constant erections, and a few drops of pre-cum. I decided to stimulate my nipples and experienced great pleasure. My glans (head of penis) became fully inflated (a pre-orgasm indicator) Not my most powerful experience, but definitely up there.

What I've learned/hypothesize:

#1. I hypothesize that any form of arousal creates a potential for orgasm, be it visual stimuli, physical, imagination, etc. where the orgasm can be eventually reached through cultivating this arousal in the mind.

#2. The more non-penile pleasure I experience, the more pre-cum I seem to have (penile-stimulation plus P-waves or prostate-area pleasure counts as non-penile pleasure). I've been noticing more pre-cum lately, and viewing it as a visual representation of the degree pleasure felt.

#3. I believe I am starting to understand the role of the mind in all of this. I believe I was using my mind that morning to help create arousal. I would focus on a subtle sensation (be it a p-wave or a tingling in my hand(s), feet, or scrotum, or simply having an erection, etc), and use that to cultivate arousal, creating that feedback loop of more sensation and more arousal. As a matter of fact, one thing I am beginning to feel great pleasure in is simply having an erection which inadvertently causes the erection to happen with greater force... I believe I could eventually mentally cultivate that arousal into some kind of an orgasm.

...it sure sounds a lot like what is being discussed in the following thread. http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/off-topic-male-version-female-ejaculation-squirting-13579/

Haven't heard that squirting fluid is slippery.

@Korkelz: Well it sounds like your rewiring has been an enormously beneficial addition to your marriage, I'm glad for you, let's just leave it at that

This is a great thread, save Helixer's unhelpful and provocative posts, just the kind of thing I need more information about. I've had some good success with Aneros/MMO methods, but am still looking to integrate them into lovemaking with my wife. No question my practices have enhanced coupled sex for both of us, but those are secondary rather than primary effects. Of course, Artform's posts, including the one above, have been most helpful and encouraging in this area.

That magic banana thing looks interesting, I'd never seen it before, but from the photo, it looks like something anyone could cobble together with $5 worth of rope and tubing from the hardware store, rather than shelling out $50.

[RANT] Helixer, you are inches away from being a full-on troll around here, with your constant insistence that coupled sex is somehow less evolved than solo Aneros activity. You are not going to change anyone's mind with that attitude, especially given how many of us are in satisfying, interesting, rich relationships with members of the fairer sex, not to mention the majority of the rest of the population of humans who at least wish the same. Good on you for having such great success with the Aneros technique, but it should be obvious that such experiences are but one facet of a much greater world, and you are only limiting your own experience by denying its existence.[/RANT]

My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.

K, this is something my wife and I have on our to-do list, glad you had success, it's encouraged me to bump it up to near the top of the list.

What I've learned/hypothesize:

#1. I hypothesize that any form of arousal creates a potential for orgasm, be it visual stimuli, physical, imagination, etc. where the orgasm can be eventually reached through cultivating this arousal in the mind.

#2. The more non-penile pleasure I experience, the more pre-cum I seem to have (penile-stimulation plus P-waves or prostate-area pleasure counts as non-penile pleasure). I've been noticing more pre-cum lately, and viewing it as a visual representation of the degree pleasure felt.

#3. I believe I am starting to understand the role of the mind in all of this. I believe I was using my mind that morning to help create arousal. I would focus on a subtle sensation (be it a p-wave or a tingling in my hand(s), feet, or scrotum, or simply having an erection, etc), and use that to cultivate arousal, creating that feedback loop of more sensation and more arousal. As a matter of fact, one thing I am beginning to feel great pleasure in is simply having an erection which inadvertently causes the erection to happen with greater force... I believe I could eventually mentally cultivate that arousal into some kind of an orgasm.

That all jibes nicely with my own evolving thought. I think of arousal/sexual pleasure as a wavelength that is always there; first you must learn to hear/see/feel it, and then you can learn to amplify it by various means. On some level, I think in the beginning you need to trust that it is there, even if it is faint or totally inaudible. Also, I too find that pre-cum is a good indicator that I've gotten somewhere in a session, even if nothing much else seems to happen.

cheers
k

FYI, if anyone is considering fashioning a homemade magic banana, this youtube video should help to sort out the approximate dimensions: YouTube - Toy Talk - The Magic Banana

- k

I wasn't planning on responding to this thread anymore until:

This is a great thread, save Helixer's unhelpful and provocative posts

Seems like you are the one that's doing the provoking. All I did was point out that a Super O is something fundamentally different from traditional (penile sex), no matter how much the rewiring has changed that for the better. And no matter how much you would like to think otherwise you can't Super O with penile stimulation. They have different characteristics(slow vs fast; feminine vs masculine; etc)

Helixer, you are inches away from being a full-on troll around here, with your constant insistence that coupled sex is somehow less evolved than solo Aneros activity

I'm a troll now for having a different opinion and backing my opinion up with arguments? If you don't agree, fine, but must you resort to namecalling and vilification?
Men are made to enjoy sex the natural way, BUTa Super O is a lot more enjoyable.If you're a couple, a normal man won't say NO to sex eventhough a Super O is far more enjoyable coz he's programmed to enjoy that. So thanks to the Aneros a man won't have to supplicate anymore due to his superior sexdrive, coz there's a far greater orgasm he can have on his own now, but if she's horny as hell he can equally enjoy the sexual experience with a woman. What's the problem? A man wins both ways
However unless you have some kind of erectile dysfunction if you want to experience the Aneros the way it's intended, use the Aneros on your own! The rewiring works equally well without the Aneros in, so for sex I don't see the point of having it in

My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.

K, this is something my wife and I have on our to-do list, glad you had success, it's encouraged me to bump it up to near the top of the list.

To expand on this, when(if) you lose your erection, try gaining your erection back through non-penile stimulation... nipple, mental, kissing or embracing each other, etc.

I encourage you to apply our knowledge and creativity; breathing techniques (synchonous breathing), meditation stuff, what we learn here on the forum or in books, etc.

I'm a troll now for having a different opinion and backing my opinion up with arguments? If you don't agree, fine, but must you resort to namecalling and vilification?

First of all, in case you don't already know this, a troll is a someone on the interwebz who makes a habit of inserting his or her controversial and contradictory opinions in an inflammatory way when they aren't solicited. I could easily come up with dozens of examples of posts in which you do just this here in the forum, so the term is entirely appropriate. Of course, a cardinal rule of internet communication is Do Not Feed Trolls, so this will be the last meal you get from me, enjoy it.

Secondly. You are welcome to your opinions, of course, but you are going to have a hard time convincing me that you don't take contradictory positions simply to provoke your audience. This post was entitled "A Place to Discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?" In other words, a forum to explore methods and approaches to incorporating MMO methods into coupled sex, which has been discussed in a general way elsewhere. It should be obvious that the OP and subsequent posters were looking for encouragement and assistance in a less commonly discussed area. Your fist post was a snarky suggestion that the two are incompatible (Super-O and coupled sex). As there are numerous people here who claim from firsthand experience that MMOs can be achieved in coupled sex, your opinion is nothing more than deliberatively provocative. Why not start your own post, entitled "A place to discuss why solo Aneros practice is more evolved than coupled sex?" and see whether you can convince others that your position is vaild, rather than trying to derail this one?

End of meal
k

First of all, in case you don't already know this, a troll is a someone on the interwebz who makes a habit of inserting his or her controversial and contradictory opinions in an inflammatory way when they aren't solicited

I don't deny my opinions are often controversial, but calling me troll for that reason is like calling every german a nazi.
I think you'll find if you read my posts in this thread or even if you'd understand what a Super O is, that my comment was entirely justified.

This post was entitled "A Place to Discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?" In other words, a forum to explore methods and approaches to incorporating MMO methods into coupled sex

WRONG, a Super O isn't the same thing as an MMO, if the thread had been entitled "A place to discuss MMO with couples sex", I wouldn't have replied

Anyway you call me troll based on whatever I said in this thread, can you back this up? Or is it just your immature way of dealing with opinions that aren't your own?

Why not start your own post, entitled "A place to discuss why solo Aneros practice is more evolved than coupled sex?" and see whether you can convince others that your position is vaild, rather than trying to derail this one?

He already did a few times

Super O is not the same as MMO, you are right, but no one said MMO won't lead to Super O... one can't really define Super O anyway, it's simply a orgasm the reaches new heights, it's when you say "I never could have imagined it would feel this good" for the 3rd time in your life (first and second time don't count if you know what I mean! 🙂 ). For me, I think a couples Super O is when both of us are having a profound experience where we have lost the sense of self, almost like an out of body experience, and are just experiencing pure unbounded pleasure, when two become one, literally!

I give up, call it what you like

I believe there should be some conformity on how words are to be used. Before I got acquainted with the Aneros I was already familiar with the term 'male multiple orgasm' and this tantric separation of ejaculation and orgasm, it was my curiosity for this that led to me finding the Aneros and (the mmo specific to the Aneros) the 'Super O'.
Although a Super O is a type of mmo this doesn't mean that every mmo is a Super O(just like not every difference of opinion is the same as 'trolling').
After all an mmo can mean both penisorientated(active) and anusorientated(passive), while a Super O is a term coined specifically for an analtoy, for the receptive pleasure.

If I had said I can jerk off and Super O I would have been flooded with comments pointing out the fallacy of this statement, but now since it's concerning couples sex I'm not allowed to say anything? Isn't this a double standard?
I'm dismayed by the responses even from veteran Aneros users that should know better. What message is that sending out to newbies?
Conflicting messages. Threads like 'Penis NO', but Super O couples sex.
Not only do I not get backed up by veteran Aneros users for pointing out this fallacy, to top things off, I receive an unsubstantiated invective from karyon an receive a warning from support.'Someone' had apparantly complained to Aneros that the messages I'd deleted were offensive and that's why I deleted them, when in fact I'd deleted them because it was too late to edit(as someone had already responded)and I didn't convey the message the way I wanted to. Looks like from now on I'm going to have to watch editing my messages as well as 'someone' will use that as an opportunity to say I was being offensive.

Anyway, one of the messages in response to MultiD I can't remember(perhaps MultiD can comment if I was being offensive), the other message in response to ForUs was short and I can still remember what that was approximately:" If you're married there's no point crying over spilt milk"

Why did I delete this? Because it was too vague and it wasn't really what I wanted to say.
Perhaps it's just me but I wouldn't want my wife or gf in the room while I was Super O-ing no matter how beautiful she was.
The reply ForUs gave wasn't really a reply to my objection, coz I wouldn't say voyeurism is part of a couples sex life.
Couples sex I would define as equal sexual gratification. So yeah, it seemed a little absurd to have the other partner as part of the furniture just for the sake of being a couple. If you're married does that mean that the other partner always has to be around? So I replied (tongue in cheek) there's no point crying over spilt milk

And the sneakiness of the complaint I understand is because I didn't reply to Korkelz after that who was insinuating I didn't accept other ppl's lifestyle.
Korkelz who in my thread http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/take-chance-15124/
insinuated if you didn't have his lifestyle(being married that is) you might as well be dead. I know there are a lot of single guys around that are depressed because they've been brainwashed with exactly that message. All I can say is, thank God for the Aneros!!!!