Traditional Penile Orgasm Questions

Hey @Spikester71 ,

You should definitley check out @DarkOrb 's (and my) thread about this! You'll find most of your questions answered there.

I just noticed that all the links directing back to this forum are not working anymore (due to the forum re-build I guess). It seems, you just have to change certain parts of the url to make them work, but I have to look into it further. 

Cheers, Unfug

 [Edit]: Ok for old links to work, you have to remove "forum/" and the digits before the thread title from the url. Here is an example:

Old (broken) link format:
https://community.aneros.com/community/ forum/general-discussion/10521-hypnosis-is-mindblowing-awesome

New (fixed) link format:
https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/hypnosis-is-mindblowing-awesome

Sometimes it doesn't work though, I guess because the regarding threads got renamed. Also, links to pictures uploaded to and hosted in the forum seem to be unrecoverable broken.

Posted by: @buick45571gmail-com

• Aside from learning P-play orgasms, I'm trying to learn Dry Os through penile stimulation.  Of which has not been all that easy.  Trying to unlearn the teenage quick right hand & magazine technique has been a challenge.  I have a little under 50% success rate.  However I can have some mind blowing dry Os through just nipple stimulation. Almost pretty regularly now. Just leaking a bit of clear precum and that's it. Capable one way but difficulties through the other. I prefer not to ejaculate that much because it feels a lot like an emotional reset button. Thankfully I don't have much of a refractory period. I do notice the next day though that it takes more to get my mind turned on or aroused. Are penile stimulation and nipple stimulation both different orgasms? Why are dry Os difficult with one and not the other ? Has anyone else had this situation? Also more importantly, does trying to learn dry Os through penile stimulation interfere with ones rewiring process for achieving regular prostate orgasms? Thank you. 

I can relate to what you are talking about on the emotional reset. It tends to make me really emotionally p.o'd because I want to experience it with someone after it happens, but the someone doesn't want anything to do w/ that activity any more so I've been trying different ways to get the fluid release w/o the hormonal crash. 

For the past several months my sessions have been quite lacking with only a few having really good  results because my 'me time' has been reduced to nothing again so I have been playing around with different ways to masturbate if you will, movement free and have gotten really good at coronal ridge stimulation which requires no movement other than a thumb. I have been experiencing multiple dry o's and even fell into a calm seas orgasm like I used to experience in my early days of  using aneros products. Felt like hours had passed when in actuality it was only 1. It was the first time in as long as I could remember I was fully sated and had no need to go any further.

I have also experienced nipple o's and find they are more closely related to prostate o's than penile o's but each person is different

I wouldn't think that learning one over the other would affect each other unless you are trying to do both at the same time, IE using an aneros product while actively trying to masturbate to dry o's consistently because the mind will than link both activity's together and than it is possible that neither activity will 'work' separately

• @somebody I actually tried the coronal ridge stimulation once. I could only do it for a minute or so. It felt pretty good but almost too intense.  If that makes sense.  I  think I went through a similar thing with nipple stimulation.  Maybe I need to get used to the stimulation there, as I have never really just focused on that area only.

Oh ya Spikester71 it is ultra intense. It took me a few times to be able to keep from tensing up and relax into that sensation but once I did figure it out the stars aligned and no more ejaculating from stimulating my penis. The big trick for me doing coronal ridge stimulation is to go into it flaccid with no arousal other than being excited to do it and once started than let the mind start to wander, much like meditating and imagining at the same time to let the arousal build, otherwise things can get wet (had that happen once as I lost track of where I was) because it is so intense. 

I've been interested in dry-os as well, thought I'm curious as to what method is effective for most people?

I've heard of one method where you cross the point of no return but do a hard PC squeeze.

On the other hand, I think more people relax the muscles to achieve this.

It seems that strengthening the muscles via kegels helps with either of these methods, but one uses strength while the other uses a stronger neural connection to relax.

I wonder if I should try both methods out?

There relaxation method might take a lot of practice for me, as typically when I masterbate I can feel the muscles twitching even when trying to relax. Now that I think about it, I think the contractions might be partially conditioned as I try to get closer to the edge faster without even thinking about it. It just seems to automatic, I wonder how much practice it would take me to learn.

Any advice or is there a guide perhaps?

@aneros_user88299 It's difficult because you're trying to unlearn years of hurry up and conditioning to make it happen before someone catches you. Or as what a teenager does. I do think some people can learn it easier than others. Takes a lot of practice and patience.  

@buick45571gmail-com Yeah, I admit unlearning about 14 years of going for ejaculatory orgasm might be hard. I'm good at edging, as I learned that way back when I'd masturbate in the shower but look at porn first. Started to masturbate a bit to the porn, but then had to make sure I didn't mess my underpants before getting into the shower. Eventually I just learned to clean up after, but I learned pretty early how to edge.

Still, what I learned and have been doing is basically priming for ejaculation and then staying near the edge for a while. From what I've read online in places, I might need to learn to prevent much of the buildup to ejaculation from the beginning rather than stop at the end. I don't know how well the squeezing hard method will pan out, but I'll at least try to practice that over time as I strengthen my PC muscles.

Seems the trick may be to decouple squeezing from stimulation, however automatic the squeezing may seem.

Wonder if I should practice both? Relaxing while building up, but if past the point of no return try squeezing hard.

 Reason I'm interested in this is because I think it might help with building arousal over time by not ejaculating, but also avoiding some of the frustration or discomfort that can be associated.

@aneros_user88299 and to others:

here is a thread i started on the old forum:

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/traditional-masturbation-to-dry-orgasm/#post-101025

It contains a link to a relaxation technique that helps a lot for learning to avoid that twitching:

http://www.articlesfactory.com/articles/sexuality/continuous-male-orgasms.html

my current practice involves edging for a while while masturbating and looking at porn or fantasizing. Then I stop porn, concentrate on relaxing muscles, and grip the bottom half of my penis and continue masturbating.  This allows me to have several orgasms without ejaculating, and they include the pulsing sensation of ejaculation. No intense squeezing is necessary, and it leaves me feeling very satisfied, and not emptied of sperm but pleasantly relaxed. Sometimes I mess up and ejaculate (ofteń it is mechanical, and without orgasm). And to learn this I spent a lot of time. A lot of really fun time!!

Well a break through last night.  Quite happy about it. Managed to have a couple of mild pulsing dry Os hands free. Not touching anything.  Just doing the deep breathing, relaxing,  and some very slight kegel squeezes. The squeeze is between the end of the exhale and start of the inhale.  Still though the traditional penile stimulation is a  bit of a leaning curve.  So a plus for hand free & a plus for nipple stimulation.  I guess 2 out of 3 isn't bad. LOL. 

Posted by: @buick45571gmail-com

Why are dry Os difficult with one and not the other ?

Since puberty most of us have only practiced a few techniques to rub one out. Right? Thus we've paved a straight way to ejaculation. Like preventing a bowling ball from leaving the lane we now have to stay away from the edge (PONR) to avoid ejaculation. If not, OUT! Reset, go to start, begin your next refractory period. What has been useful for spreading our seed in centuries, isn't what we want just now. That's why re-wiring is necessary to have endless joy without ejaculations when teasing your precious member.

If you never had an ejaculation from stimulating your nipples, why should this make you cum now? But teasing your member similar to your well trained masturbation techniques lets things happen like so often before and deeply written into your mindset.

What can help?

1) Use your "wrong" hand. Is it as simple as that? We all have one preferred hand, don't we? Use the other hand. Btw., this also is a mean command on my preferred site for guided edging: edgemeplease.com

2) Use different spots and avoid to touch your sensitive hot spots. Fight that urge!

3) Stimulate your flaccid member without the aim of getting him hard, only enjoy the touches and notice that he isn't dumb or even less sensitive.

4) Feel inside yourself and notice the vibes spreading from stimulating your member. Focus on those vibes more than on the feelings in your cock.

5) Tease and deny. Playfully tease your best parts until you're pretty aroused, then stop any stimulation, even stow away them and only enjoy your arousal, especially welcome that mean lightly aching buzz in your prostate area. Say hello to your gland and invite your prostate to give you more pleasure, to take over command and send more blissful vibes all through your body.

6) Enjoy every new little feeling in your body, being so much more satisfying than those few seconds of a stupid ejaculation. Perhaps start a challenge to get rid of that idea.

As always only my 2 cts here - albeit for free. 😉

Cheers, Mart

Let me add a nice mindgame that might lead you to dry orgasms - even without any stimulation. (I'd guess, I will name it the OSEAO*-Protocol and it will only be for free until I own this trademark. [*Only Seconds Envisioning An Orgasm - Protocol] - In joke.)

The following is no joke, it really works for me:

1) Sit or lay down in a relaxed and comfy position.

2) Don't bother with kegels or breath or anything.

3) Try to keep calm for a short while, try to not envision any real sexual scene.

4) Suddenly close your eyes and envision to cum and maybe stretch a bit like you would with an ejaculation. Perhaps in given privacy even vocalize your climax. BUT ONLY envision the FEELING to cum, not any real scene. Only do this for a few seconds.

5) Relax and enjoy the vibes in your body until they subside.

6) Wait a few minutes more, then go to 3)

Don't say it doesn't work until you at least tried it once. I'm just enjoying the afterglow.

Cheers, Mart

I've already seen some success it would seem.

As far as the relaxation technique, I tried doing that last night but it's really difficult to stop the twitching entirely, especially when going faster. I looked at some porn, but I was really focused on relaxation and I had a couple fingers on my perineum to help know when my PC muscles would contract. Might be something that gets easier with practice, so I may keep practicing.

That night as well as the previous, however, I tried a hard PC squeeze at the point of no return to try and stop ejaculating. First time I think I was at least somewhat successful,  as there wasn't as much volume as there usually would be. I also checked my urine and no retrograde ejaculation. The next night however I managed to stop most of it. It was mostly clear fluid, little semen. I went slightly soft afterwards, but I maintained about half reaction (big but floppy) throughout most my shower. I looked at a bit of porn before going to bed to see what would happen, and my erection came back full force with little provocation. If I had a refractory period, it was drastically blunted. Also today I feel aroused more easily and sometimes spontaneously, something I usually don't have too often. Also I felt rather energetic going into the shower both these nights, even though it was about a couple hours from bedtime. 

The only thing is the orgasm wasn't anything special as I was focused on tensing hard, but from what I hear doing these multiple times the strength of the orgasm will increase.

I'm definitely going to keep strengthening my PC muscles with kegels. This might be a breakthrough discovery for me as it allows me to build arousal without having to abstain from masterbation. I'm not super great at abstaining for more than a couple days to build arousal.

@divine_o

I tried following that second link regarding the relaxation method. I never really thought it as simple as just stop stimulation and relax... And I still suppose it's not that simple.

I tried numerous times to stop and relax while getting as close to the edge as I could, and while most the time I managed to back down I never really crossed over into orgasm. I managed to make myself kind of antsy though, as each time I'd get close to the edge I'd get a little adrenaline rush. Dunno if that's subconscious fear of ruining an orgasm or natural physiological response, but I'd committed to potentially ruining an orgasm numerous times in pursuit of knowledge. At the end, I went to the point of no return and tried to relax, but I could feel things happening anyway. I then tried to do the clench method, and I might have been partially successful like last time with less volume of semen than usual but I don't feel like I held onto some arousal like last time.

Edit: I have a new idea. Next time instead of using a fleshlight and switching from relaxation to clenching, I'm going to see what happens without the fleshlight in the way if I try my best to relax and stop. I've read from somewhere there's still pc muscle spasms with orgasm even though they refrain from ejaculating, so I wonder if I'm misinterpreting some of the sensations as ejaculation when I should keep relaxing.

Edit 2: I ended up trying it out, but I just had an ejaculation that oozed out mostly in a long slow spurt. I wonder if I'm making any progress by practicing and trying things out, but I also wonder if I should just try to perfect the PC clenching method which seemed to work to some extent.

@aneros_user88299

It is normal that the squeeze method results in an underwhelming orgasm. For me it results in a non-orgasm. I have never once read a good thing about that method in terms of pleasure (though proponents of non-ejaculation for energy reasons say it is valid). While it is good to know about, and can be useful (I use it to fend off ejaculation if I dance too close to the edge during intercourse), it is not a means to a pleasureful end (or multiple pleasureful ends). Anyone who has had a good experience with it, please do butt in. 

For the relaxation method, I would recommend not waiting until ejaculation to relax. Rather, as soon as you are erect, focus all your attention on relaxing your pc muscles. They start low-level clenching very early on (for me), and by learning to relax them every step of the way, not only you have a higher chance of relaxing them during orgasm (and thus possibly having a dry orgasm), but it will also make you more aware of those muscles. And there are certain heavenly sweet spots when you get horny enough that you are on the edge BUT you are not clenching anything. I also recommend excruciatingly slow masturbation with lots of lube.

Dont expect it to work right away. This stuff takes time to figure out.

@divine_o I too seam to have low-level clenching early on, in fact it seems to happen every time I stimulate my penis. I am trying to relax the whole time, which might be part of why it's taking to long to get to the edge in the first place as of late. I'll have to keep practicing in any case, as well as keep strengthening my pc muscles.

I found somewhere online a book though that seems very practical and has really good, long descriptions and instructions with different exercises for those at different levels. It's only 80 pages so doesn't take that long to read, called How to Make Love All Night (and Drive a Woman Wild) by Barbara Keelsing, Ph.D. The author is a sex therapist who's apparently taught over 200 of her clients to have multiple orgasms. I'm about half way through and have picked out a couple of exercises to try out. One involves caressing the penis (not stroking) and focusing on the sensations and where you are on the arousal scale (though I'm already acutely aware of when I get close to the point of no return). The next exercise I want to try involves getting to a certain level of arousal and then seeing what happens when you apply PC contraction while still stroking, then stopping and relaxing. This is supposed to act as a sort of brake on the buildup of arousal. Supposedly you should fall back a bit on the arousal scale.

And one of the most important practices the book mentions, as with a lot of methods whether relaxing or contracting, is strengthening those PC muscles. I plan on treating this like traditional strength training. As I condition the muscles I'm going to start making the training sessions more intense and potentially cause some muscle soreness. I don't intend to cause any pain or damage, but I plan on working the muscles well and having rest days to recover.

Hey everybody,

this thread gained a lot of traction in a short time.

Posted by: @divine_o

It is normal that the squeeze method results in an underwhelming orgasm. For me it results in a non-orgasm. I have never once read a good thing about that method in terms of pleasure

This! It's stunning how it's still the most widespread "secret technique" to MMO. Often parroted, but never actually understood by all these self-proclaimed "sexperts".

Edging and then trying to clench the ejaculation away is like stoping a sneeze by keeping your mouth and nose shut. The pressure is still there and will make it's (destructive) way through other canals. Just try it... your eyes and ears will pop like like one cartoon character after swallowing a dynamite rod (actually, don't try it - you could seriously hurt yourself).

If you can't swim and want to avoid drowning, you wouldn't jump from a diving platform and try to stop your fall midair a few inches from the surface by wildly flapping your arms. You would rather enter the water as slowly as possible to exploid the buoyancy of your body and just float w/o actually swimming, wouldn't you?

The best case scenario to achieve with the clenching method (at least for me), is a retrograde ejaculation. You won't see your cum spurt out, but you will still be ejaculating... into your bladder... redirected by force... There is no pleasure in it and you will still end up in a refractory phase.

Posted by: @aneros_user88299

I found somewhere online a book though that seems very practical and has really good, long descriptions and instructions with different exercises for those at different levels. It's only 80 pages so doesn't take that long to read, called How to Make Love All Night (and Drive a Woman Wild) by Barbara Keelsing, Ph.D. The author is a sex therapist who's apparently taught over 200 of her clients to have multiple orgasms.

My journey started with this very book 10 years ago and I wholeheartedly advice against it's teachings. It just doesn't work. Finish the book, but don't waste your time trying to clench away ejaculation.

It seems, the link I provided went completely under the radar (at least nobody reacted to it - that hurt my ego pals 😉 ) so let me get to the gist of it real quick:

[...] avoid the frenulum (which seems to be hardwired to your seminal ducts and builds tension again) and recognize if your seminal ducts swell and have fluid movements(sign you already built unwanted tension). If thats the case, you are on the traditional path and have to cool down and start over.

That's why @somebody 's approach with the coronal ridge works. It avoids the frenulum area. See, the frenulum is like a red telephone of the presidential Moscow-Washington hotline. On the other end are your inner sex organs. And they will "pick up the phone" when the frenulum calls them up.

Penis re-wiring is about building arousal in all parts of your body except for your inner sex organs (which would react with ejaculation). Since you often can't avoid it completely, esp. during penetrative sex, it's kind of a race: hare vs. hedgehog style. Going fast will make your seminal vesicles pop in no time. Going slow will win you the race, because it gives the rest of your nervous system time to build up arousal, while keeping your inner sex organs at bay.

@unfug

Thank you for your insight, I find it helpful.

As far as harming myself, I haven't had any discomfort from this squeezing method after trying it several times. That contrasts with the method of poking the perineum hard in a particular spot, which I got sore from trying several years ago and haven't revisited since. Also I haven't had a retrograde ejaculation as of yet, though a bit of semen does get ejected via the normal route. I seem to have at least somewhat of the refractory period effect as it's hard to immediately start again. I did find that I could get a bit more of the orgasmic sensation by maintaining stimulation to some extent into the point of no return, but it's hard to focus on that when your entire focus is on clenching. Maybe that'll get easier with kegels over time? In any case, another less than stellar orgasm in pursuit of knowledge.

I also find it interesting what you said about avoiding the frenulum and stimulating the coronal ridge instead. After trying the clench again, I wanted to see if I could keep going. It was hard to achieve orgasm, but in trying to get there I found myself a couple of times concentrating on stimulating the underside of the head of my penis. I was going to say frenulum instead of underside of head, but I googled it and it seems to be the connective skin just under that part. Are you talking about just that part, or the underside of the head as well?

Anyway, I have something new to try now. I'm going to try the relaxation method with edging next time while only stimulating the coronal ridge. But in the meantime, I'm going to probably take a break from masturbation for a couple days because doing this every day is getting a bit tiring.

 Edit: ok, looked it up. I understand the coronal ridge is the whole circumference of the edge of the head of the penis, though to avoid the frenulum I may just avoid the underside to some extent.