The False Idea of Who You Are

Good video. 

I think there is a chicken and egg to disentangle here, to a certain extent.  I think that to have these orgasmic experiences, it requires one to quiet the ego to begin with.  Just like with drugs and music, where one needs to drop one's ego in order to properly partake.  Otherwise they are perceived as, respectively, psychosis and noise.  There is definitely a residual effect to this dropping of the ego.

So through regular and conscientious use of sex, drugs, and rock and roll (or aneros, lsd, and bach; or BDSM, pot, and metal; etc), and any other form of meditation/hypnosis, one can surely get used to dissolving the ego, and be able to transfer that oneness with the universe to, say, a board meeting, or driving in traffic.

You have been at this much prostate game longer than I have, I think.  For me, in two and a half years of blissful orgasms, I haven't noticed a huge overall change that I can extract from the rest of my regularly changing consciousness.  But there moments in life nowadays when I feel very peaceful; when I am no longer afraid of death because I feel as though I have attained the greatest pleasures one can attain; when I no longer care for money, because other than basic comfort and food, there is nothing money can buy that is as beautiful as love, friendship, laughter, sexual pleasure, nature, and the arts.

Posted by: @unfug

If you let go of control, you'll shut of the anxiety radar.

My early success with my Aneros tools back in late 2016 has been essentially supported by my mantra

„I will do myself no harm.“

Without this mantra soothing my panicky subconsciousness, I guess, I would never have been able to really let go and to get rid of my security scares and my fear of loss of control by.

This morning, about four years later, I did my Qi Gong routine ending with drawing and leading my kundalini up my back channel and down my front channel, until I stood there in a kind of vibrating standing orgasm.

I then stretched out my arms and reached out to all people around the globe who would like to join in. Connecting and embracing mankind felt absolutely gorgeous and amazingly spiritual.  

Great post, @unfug, thanks for sharing your thoughts! 

Mart

Posted by: @unfug

To give a bit more context: for me personally, after achieving and cultivating Super-O's and "energy work", it dawned to me, that it's (seemingly) interlinked with spirituality in general. Not that I turned into a tantric hippie, but it fundamently changed the way I look at the world and myself. Somehow this whole thing became some sort of spiritual endeavour for me and I can't really describe why and how and what it even means in everyday life.

@Unfug, I grok what you have said.

I really like the clarity of Alan Watts and his philosophical understanding of the nature of our reality. I tried to address the ego interference problem in the thread "Just Let Go !" without interjecting concepts of spirituality.

However, many Aneros users have noted their spiritual feelings associated with the attainment of these prostate based orgasms. These pleasurable feelings are ineffable and have an almost mystical quality to them which overwhelms the ego making it just a drop in the ocean of consciousness. They, too, have described these experiences as life altering in their thoughts, I know it has for me as well.

Good Vibes to You!

@unfug, Thanks for the point of view and an introduction to Alan Watts.  I can try to dampen my vigorous radar with the calming frame of reference.  It would be a wonderful effect of Aneros practice “Turn on, tune in, drop out” if I could carry through some of that quieting to the day.

I appreciate also @divine_o ‘s rumination of peace regarding the beauty money cannot buy- to that I personally add “learning”.  I may borrow @sowithoutaneros ‘s “I will do myself no harm” as a session touchstone; gee, I’d never thought to connect and embrace mankind.

Another wonderful piece of wisdom from Alan Watts.

In the last couple of months my orgasmic sessions have taken on a more spiritual aspect. By that I mean that I have used less and less porn (hardly use it at all now), fewer fantasies and more body awareness. It wasn’t really a conscious decision, it just happened and tied in with an Alan Watts book I have recently finished reading “The Wisdom of Insecurity”. I am reading it again as some parts of it are particularly complicated. One part that really changed the quality of my orgasms was how he described presence. He talks about listening to music which, as a music lover, resonated with me.

How do you listen to music? I seldom have background music playing, I like the listening of it to be an activity in itself. So what goes on while I listen? Well as I am listening I am thinking “ wow, I love that base line, it really is dynamic and moves the music along. Love the decay on those cymbals. The guitar solo is coming soon, I can’t wait for it, etc, etc, etc”. So, as Alan Watts points out, I am only partially listen to the music and mostly listening to my commentary on the music. What if I listen without commentary? I have been practising that and it completely changes the experience. The voice in my head always starts it commentary but I am learning to quietly push those thoughts away and just listen. When there is silence, except for the music, I almost become the music, I am the experience of the music, very difficult to articulate. Just a note here, a wonderful side effect of the silence is that I no longer lament the shortfalls of my sound system, I am listen to notes not deficiencies so the experience is all the more enjoyable. I have taken this approach to my orgasm sessions and the results have absolutely blown my mind.
What I do now is silence my mind and just feel. The pleasure begins and, the best way to describe it, I imagine falling into the pleasure. When this happens entirely, and it doesn’t always happen, I literally feel like I am swimming in pleasure, and kind of floating along in this ether and can do so for God knows how long. I find I can move the pleasure around my body, have orgasms in my nipples, then in my testicles, then my finger tips, and on and on it goes. Whenever I try to describe these orgasms I always feel like the descriptions fall short. Some of the members here do describe them admirably, and those descriptions always drift into a series of short, seemingly disconnected utterances. I use the word utterance in its best context, because that most fittingly reveals the chaotic rapture we experience. That experience is spiritual, it requires a surrender few are comfortable with. If you expand the “activity” of surrender to our lives in general it becomes clear how much we resist and what that resistance costs us. Something as simple as waiting in a slow moving queue can, with an appropriate amount of resistance, become an excruciating experience. Surrender to it and suddenly you have all the time in the world to simply enjoy doing nothing revel in the beauty of the diversity constantly around us.

I don’t know which came first. Did my orgasmic journey influence my outlook on life or did my outlook on life influence my orgasmic journey? Perhaps the answer is, a little of both. I don’t think it really matters, what is clear is that this path of pleasure we now walk is truly miraculous and contributes to a more succulent life.

Posted by: @rickr

I don’t know which came first. Did my orgasmic journey influence my outlook on life or did my outlook on life influence my orgasmic journey? Perhaps the answer is, a little of both.

More chickens and their delicious little eggs!

I like the way you connect the different ways of listening to music to the different ways of experiencing pleasure. 

In both cases, it is the difference between analyzing and simply feeling.  Both require presence, but while the former builds on and is limited to our experiences, the latter allows us to open up to infinite new experiences.  Like you say, you become the music.  Or you become the pleasure.  Perhaps that is what it means to leave the ego aside...?

I heard a podcast a while back that explained a study in which men and women were interviewed after a concert, and asked what they liked about it.  While men talked technicalities (I loved the double drum set; the trumpet player really hit those high notes clean), women talked emotions (I could feel the love from the singer; it made me so happy I even cried at one point).

Just like with music, I think most men learn to have sex in a more analytical way.  I remember that when I was younger (pre-aneros) there was often a chatter in my brain when I was in bed with someone, that was more based on what the overall experience was (this woman is beautiful, her thighs are magnificent, I can't believe we're doing this), and less based on savoring the moment purely through the lens of sensation, both emotional and physical. 

This stuff filters into everything in life. Not just the sexual stuff. It’s similar or even the same as the mind muscle connection used in weight training. In the early days my mind was filled with aesthetic chatter about what I might look look like next year. Would I have a body fit for the beach. What would others think. Watching everyone else,studying their physique. As I built the mind muscle connection I let go of the ego and noise. Now,I’m entranced when i train,there is only the visualisation of the muscle flexing,it’s fibres firing,eyes stare at it contracting,i really don’t see or hear anything else. I only feel the energy flowing into the muscle and being burned through the force generated. I guess aneros stuff isn’t all that different. And I don’t think you move on with the journey until the ego is quelled somewhat.  

Hey guys,

Thank you for your thoughtful input. As usual, you managed to put feelings of mine into words that I was unable to distill and vocalize yet.

Posted by: @divine_o

I haven't noticed a huge overall change that I can extract from the rest of my regularly changing consciousness.  But there moments in life nowadays when I feel very peaceful; when I am no longer afraid of death because I feel as though I have attained the greatest pleasures one can attain

For me, this comes and goes in longer periods of a few days. You described it very well, the general peaceful state of mind spills over into other aspects of life. Like rose-colored glasses when you freshly fell in love. What I find curious is, that those phases of general peacefulness and non-sexual lustfulness come and go rather erratic, with no hint what triggered them.

Posted by: @sowithoutaneros

My early success with my Aneros tools back in late 2016 has been essentially supported by my mantra

„I will do myself no harm.“

This is really interesting! I never used mantras consciously, but sometimes a post hypnotic anchor from Shibby sneaks into my session and makes things take off very rapidly and reliably. At the moment it's

"Yes, please"

Posted by: @rumel

However, many Aneros users have noted their spiritual feelings associated with the attainment of these prostate based orgasms. [...] They, too, have described these experiences as life altering in their thoughts, I know it has for me as well.

I know right? But I never was able to put my finger on it. What changed? What stuck with us after the Super-O? Apparently it has something to do with shifting consciousness and self-awareness. Spiritualists speak of transcendence for a reason I guess. I picture it that way: most animals like, let's say dogs for example, don't have our human level of consciousness. But they have an ego and a consciousness good enough to connect with us intuitively on many levels. They are a bit like small kids, unable to understand certain concepts, because their brain just isn't able to... like mirrors...

So, I imagine, that there must be a level of consciousness above our human experience and that  there are things we are just unable to understand, just like cats and dogs can't figure out mirrors. And I got the feeling, that a shifted consciousness, be it from meditation, taking drugs or riding the aneros, gives us a little glimpse of that world we can't usually see.

Posted by: @rickr

What if I listen without commentary? I have been practising that and it completely changes the experience. The voice in my head always starts it commentary but I am learning to quietly push those thoughts away and just listen. When there is silence, except for the music, I almost become the music, I am the experience of the music, very difficult to articulate.

That general approach is a popular meditation exercise and you described it and it's effects quite beautifully!

Posted by: @rickr

Some of the members here do describe them admirably, and those descriptions always drift into a series of short, seemingly disconnected utterances.

I totally get what you mean. Usually these utterances suddenly start to make sense to me, only after a particular session, where I was in the same emotional state. Some things seem to only make sense after you experienced them yourself. Coming up with good metaphors to share ones experience is an art in on itself.

Posted by: @rickr

Something as simple as waiting in a slow moving queue can, with an appropriate amount of resistance, become an excruciating experience. Surrender to it and suddenly you have all the time in the world to simply enjoy doing nothing revel in the beauty of the diversity constantly around us.

This observation is so spot on!

Posted by: @helghast

As I built the mind muscle connection I let go of the ego and noise. Now,I’m entranced when i train,there is only the visualisation of the muscle flexing,it’s fibres firing,eyes stare at it contracting,i really don’t see or hear anything else. I only feel the energy flowing into the muscle and being burned through the force generated. I guess aneros stuff isn’t all that different.

I'd second that. Getting "in the zone" is a general ability, which you can apply on almost any activity. I guess, that's what spills over from aneros session - the ability to "zone in". We train that skill in our session and become able to apply it in everday life.

Posted by: @unfug

At the moment it's

At the moment it's

Take me!

Surprise me!

Do me!

addressed to my gland here. 😉

Good vibes to you all! Mart

@unfug 'Clench' 😛

Of the many well-established members on this forum, I know you to be a deeply inquisitive, stalwart and scientific mind when it comes to these things. So to hear you talking about a borderline spiritual awakening... well... I take it more seriously than coming from someone who immediately pegged their first improved orgasm as a gift from a higher power (which includes me, haa).

Thanks for your take on things, as ever. Thank you all.

Always more to experience, huh 🙂

Posted by: @rumel

However, many Aneros users have noted their spiritual feelings associated with the attainment of these prostate based orgasms. These pleasurable feelings are ineffable and have an almost mystical quality to them which overwhelms the ego making it just a drop in the ocean of consciousness. They, too, have described these experiences as life altering in their thoughts, I know it has for me as well.

This is exactly how I feel, and I believe my sessions are becoming less and less sexual in nature. Maybe a better way to explain this is that the sessions are teaching me to strip away conditioned sexual boundaries and embrace the fullness of my sexuality as it naturally occurs in me. Does anyone on the planet know what unconditioned sexuality is? We have millennia of conditioning in our genes, perhaps we are slowly coming around to how intrinsically sexual we all are. I know it all sounds very "wooo wooo" but at the end of the day humanity has managed to pollute the very essence of our survival into something we hide and are ashamed of. Perhaps we are beginning to walk away from that.

Posted by: @rickr

Does anyone on the planet know what unconditioned sexuality is? We have millennia of conditioning in our genes, perhaps we are slowly coming around to how intrinsically sexual we all are.

I think that there have always existed a subset of humans who explored their sexuality further than the classic jab-n-spurt. Just that rare were the times in history that they could get together and have enough credibility and clout to convince others to put down their tools and get tender, and thus grow their ranks.  More often they were probably isolated cases.

this is the first time in history that a majority of people live past childbearing age, and that children aren’t the primary reason for sex. This is the first time in history that a once disparate group of isolated cases can join together from all over the world and rise up singing (moaning, really). I think it’s pretty cool... if it hadn’t happened, I would never have learned about prostate orgasms!

Posted by: @divine_o

this is the first time in history that a majority of people live past childbearing age, and that children aren’t the primary reason for sex. This is the first time in history that a once disparate group of isolated cases can join together from all over the world and rise up singing (moaning, really). I think it’s pretty cool... if it hadn’t happened, I would never have learned about prostate orgasms!

It is very cool, and we are indeed fortunate to be members of that disparate group. May it continue grow.