Stick with the progasm?

I don't think this can be answered without some history of use. If you think another model will be the answer, then I would say no to that, but then what could it hurt to have a few different models. I have most all of them and they each have a different feel and there are spells where one is my favorite. the progasm remains my favorite but I can't imagine owning just one.
Go for it... what have you got to loose.

I started with both MGX and Helix.
The MGX had delivered some results.
The Helix has done very little for me.

I recently got a Progasm Ice. Wow what a difference.
Check out my latest blog.

Sometimes a change of model might do the trick.
If you can afford it, do it.
For the moment the Ice is King for me.

is there any difference between the regular progasm and the ice progasm

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

It's really up to you. If you have the extra money, and care to spend it on another Aneros prostate massager, then by all means, explore your options. Like Thhn and Voyager mentioned, when you have been at this a while, you do tend to find that you favor one model over another for what it does for you. And then sometimes it changes to a different model. There's no definite guarantee that changing models will give you results. But since you already have the Progasm, it wouldn't hurt to have one of the smaller models, as they feel and respond quite differently from the larger ones.

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Hello Thhn, 🙂

is there any difference between the regular progasm and the ice progasm

As I understand it, they are the exact model but use different materials. The only difference being the aesthetic appeal, and the Ice is reported to be a much smoother surface than the regular Progasm. Which I believe makes it a bit more mobile when inserted.

Love_is

Yeah, i thought perhaps the difference between the models were a matter of fine nuances,
and if you cant play the violin at all, it matters little whether its a Stradivarius or not.

I just dont want to waste time with a model that might not be for me, IF indeed the model matters,
and i perhaps it would be a good idea to stick to one, once i have made a choice?

I dunno, I'm in favor of multiple models, because they offer different avenues for learning. And I wouldn't describe their differences as subtle.

Particularly if you've only got a Progasm now, I'd highly recommend getting another less snug model with more room to move. Since the MGX really rests forward (thereby pressing forward in much the way that the Progasm does), I'd recommend a Helix, which rests further back, and really knows how to get moving rather furiously.

In my case, I started with an MGX, "upgraded" to a Eupho a week later, and then a Helix a month after that. Can't imagine having made the progress that I have with only one model (and especially not if I'd just stuck with the MGX).

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

I disagree that the difference between the different Aneros prostate massager model is subtle. But if you are not even partially re-wired yet, it may not make any difference which model you have until you make some progress in your journey. On the other hand...

I agree with Tremelo. I wouldn't have any less than two different Aneros models in my collection. If you can justify it and afford it, more. There are differences in how they work. And at some point in your journey, your body will favor one model over another. And if this is not the one model you own, you might not be making as much progress and generating as much pleasure in your journey as you might otherwise. My own experience was that once I purchased my Progasm, I used it almost exclusively for eleven months. As it reliably gave me some sort of pleasurable sensations. But then after that time, it stopped working very well for me. It typically would generate little to no pleasurable sensations. So I went back and forth experimenting with my MGX and Helix for a few months until I settled on my Helix as the model that works best for me right now.

No one approach, technique, or idea will work for every guy here. Each persons journey is individual and unique. So you have to be open to doing your own experimentation till you find what works for you.

Love_is

My whole 9-yards on this:

Many guys take to Progasm before the packaging hits the bottom of the wastebasket. Others (me included) take more time.

I've probably got some age-related issues that you don't (moderate prostate enlargement and less resilency in my anal canal and rectum.) So, even though I do well riding the rest of the Aneros stable, I've been a grinder with Progasm. I offer this for what it might be worth to help your adventures with Progasm.

I'd offer ... if you are tending to have the tool 'slip out' during mild contractions in a prone position, that's a major issue. IMO all of the Aneros tools should drop into place and soon after insertion should stay where they belong during any reasonable sequence of contractions and positions. The rest of my Aneros tools do this reliably but my batting average with Progasm is far from perfect. That said, I think there's hope for my Progasm skills in the future.

When I loose or partially eject a Progasm, that incident tends to mentally stay with me the rest of the session. It affects my ability to fully relax into a meditative state. Reason: At the sub-conscious level I don't want to loose prostate contact so tend to stay a bit 'clutched.' Clutched goes beyond just 'pucker factor.' It affects every muscle in my bod from my anus to my toes.

If I'm not completely loose with an Aneros when I'm attempting zero contraction, I can pretty well kiss-off any chance of meaningful involuntaries. (The tiny impulses aren't strong enough to overcome my 'tightass' situation.) And, if can't sense the involuntaries I'm pretty well limited to simple feelings of pleasure, without wave development and no pelvic mini-O. That limits me to finding other body points to develop sensations (fingers, nips, feet, thighs, balls, mouth/tongue, etc.) I'm not sufficiently wired to go Anerosless when I'm mentally ready for good vibes from my prostate. Therefore, I don't waste my time on the Progasm once I've ejected. Prograsm is dropped into the chamber pot and I move on to another tool with hopes of restoring my sub-conscious sense of self-confidence.

I hope the prior paragraph makes sense. If you've not had good prostate contact all the way to a mini-O, this may make no sense at all --- I recall wandering around for almost two months before I could get solid Helix contact at the start of every session.

Several months ago, I found that when I eject a Progasm, it's a result of tightness or poor lube in the upper reaches of the canal. I determined this several times following an ejection by gently holding the abutment of the Progasm and flexing to 'scoot' my canal down, onto and around the tool. I could feel the 'tightness' as my canal 'skidded' along the surface of the tool. Whether this is insufficient lube in the upper canal or some mental stress that causes me to rectally flex I don't know.

Doubling up on injected lube for Progasm sessions has helped. I've switched to a lube shooter that drops it's load an inch or two further up the canal. Now I usually attain a complete insertion and Progasm 'seats' properly with far better sense of prostate contact. My confidence is greater and I'm getting more 'comfortable' with this tool. It's been a long time in the making though.

Suggestions:

-- Give Progasm another try for several more sessions.
-- Finger yourself or have a sig-other finger you or use a wand so you can feel what prostate contact is like. (A finger is better than a wand since the 'fingerer' can sense the shape of the prostate.)
-- You want to duplicate that location & feeling with Progasm but it should be a less 'pointy' with a greater sense of pleasure across the general prostate area. (Eventually you'll want to mentally shape the growth and spread of that feeling.)
-- Once you've attained solid prostate contact with Progasm for several sessions, you can judge the adequacy of your prep and lube. Until then, avoid shortcutting your prep.
-- Relax to the point where you can feel Progasm just floating in your canal and moving as you breathe, with no sense that it might 'slip out.' To prove to yourself that it's not going to eject, try a gentle 'pushout' then relax completly so that it springs back into place.
-- Consider alv's approach to lubing an Aneros -- -- Lube the tool with Shea then chill it in ice water before insertion (claimed to carry solid lube well up the canal where it then melts.) (I'm not big on super cooling a tool but it seems to work for alv and he's more experienced with lube than I.)

We gotta get you settled down into reliable prostate contact that will hold together through a whole session. It really sucks when you loose prostate contact just as involuntaries kick in.

It might be a better to move on to an 'easier' tool. Probably the least tricky tool is MGX -- I think it has generally good prostate contact in lieu of fancy agility. With MGX You should also feel more bulk in your lower canal than Helix provides. Some of the 'fullness' that you like from Progasm.

As others have posted, my choice of a favorite tool changes every month of so. Revisiting the 'lesser stars in the toybox' may identify a "diamond buried right in one's own backyard." So yes, it's worthwhile to have alternate tools just to make occasional comparisons and see if a pleasure giviing technique with one tool will carry over to another.

As ably mentioned by Love_is and Tremelo, each tool offers some unique feelings that you can bring into play to enhance your sessions.

Hello Rook, 🙂

Thank you for bringing up the whole topic of keeping the Progasm inserted, as I meant to comment about this but forgot.

Several months ago, I found that when I eject a Progasm, it's a result of tightness or poor lube in the upper reaches of the canal. I determined this several times following an ejection by gently holding the abutment of the Progasm and flexing to 'scoot' my canal down, onto and around the tool. I could feel the 'tightness' as my canal 'skidded' along the surface of the tool. Whether this is insufficient lube in the upper canal or some mental stress that causes me to rectally flex I don't know.

I suspect you never had the Progasm properly inserted where your prostate was cradled in the notch. The tip was likely pushing into and in front of your prostate which encourages the Progasm to slip out. I'm guessing your enlarged prostate likely plays into this problem for you. What you describe is reminiscent of what I feel as the tip of my Progasm slides along my prostate until it is resting within the notch of the Progasm, and thus fully inserted.

Reason: At the sub-conscious level I don't want to loose prostate contact so tend to stay a bit 'clutched.' Clutched goes beyond just 'pucker factor.' It affects every muscle in my bod from my anus to my toes.

There should be no muscle effort to keep your Progasm inserted. Like any of the other models, it should stay inserted while completely relaxing. Another reason why I suspect it's not inserted properly when this happens to you.

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Hello Wendigo, 🙂

Your Progasm should never slip out unless you do a hard rectal contraction. When I first got my Progasm, I had to go through a learning period of figuring out how to properly insert and seat the Progasm within me. I've found that it got caught up in me in one of two ways. Either the tip got off to the side of my inner anal sphincter muscle and never even entered the rectum(A fair amount of discomfort accompanies this problem, so it's not hard to figure out), or the tip gets caught in front of the prostate, never completely making it around and over the prostate.

The solution to this is once the tip is inserted past the first(outer) anal sphincter muscle and in a ways, start gently rocking the handle of the Progasm back and forth(From front to back of your body) until it seats properly and completely. You'll know when it does. As there should be no discomfort and it should stay in you with no effort involved.

Love_is

Hey wendigo,

Love_is seems right on with this analysis and, from the viewpoint of a long term "ejector" it makes all sorts of sense; however, before you switch to another tool, do checkout your prep and lube.

Remember that, even for guys who do not have bph issues, Progasm is a two step insertion.

@Love_is: tks for the analysis and particularly for the word, "notch" Since Maximus is such a slam dunk insertion for me, what you say really resonates with my experience. "Notch" re-kindled the spark of some ideas that helixbill and I were playing with last year. Might just res-erect an old project that we had termed, "Progasm Jr."

Notably, the Progasm holds the sphincter wider open, so the other devices would have less likelihood of slipping out.

As I was learning, I had some trouble with popping out the MGX right at the heights of ecstasy, but I never had that problem with the Eupho or Helix. And now I don't have it with the MGX either. "Different devices for learning."

Hey guys, thanks for the comments.

The Progasm only tended to slip out when i consciously tried to use
the muscles to get it moving,
when i had no luck with the involuntary movements,i experimented
with “helping“ it, from what i have read earlier, and from your comments here,
i get that you can try both the contraction and the zero contraction approach,
however, i was not only contracting, pulling it into me, but sometimes actually
pushing as well to get more movement, perhaps a bad idea...

The contact of the progasm with the prostate gave me a faintly aching sensation,
not painful but not
pleasurable either, just numb, however, when i felt that i had done my “homework“
(i know i know, probably not the best mindset)
i thought i deserved a happy ending and used to finish with giving myself an orgasm,
and having the Progasm press against the prostate did indeed give me some new
and interesting sensations, as if little bolts of bright light was fired
into my head when i slowly moved towards and over the “pleasure peak“.

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

Good to know it's figured out now. 😀

The contact of the progasm with the prostate gave me a faintly aching sensation,
not painful but not
pleasurable either, just numb,

That faintly aching sensation is a good sign. Next session try focusing on that sensation and see what happens.

however, when i felt that i had done my “homework“
(i know i know, probably not the best mindset)
i thought i deserved a happy ending and used to finish with giving myself an orgasm,
and having the Progasm press against the prostate did indeed give me some new
and interesting sensations, as if little bolts of bright light was fired
into my head when i slowly moved towards and over the “pleasure peak“.

So you start to discover the pleasures of a super-T! 😀 No worries, we all succumb to those now and then. Just don't make it a regular habit at the end of each Aneros session. Keep it as a once in a while gift of pleasure to yourself.

Love_is

What is a super T:confused:

Well i hope that it caught a glimpse of something there, but i have to admit that
at times i thought the joke was on me, and that this was all a scam, it felt like
creating something out of nothing, a bit like trying to re-create the Big bang if you like....

I would say i have a lot of patience and persistence when my mind is set on something, so if
i knew that it would pay off i would do it, but i still have my doubts
about getting any results with any model, maybe some people just cant do it?

What is a super T:confused:

At this point, to avoid you from succumbing to TMI, rumor, heresay and ill defined terminology, or plain old B.S., let's get you into the Wiki and its Glossary. The Wiki is a carefully edited compendium and Body of Knowledge regarding "everything Aneros." To get there, click on the link in the navigation bar then select "Glossary" in "Wiki Navigation box on the left side of the page. Then scroll down to "Super T"

Here's your last 'freebie' -- Glossary - Aneros Wiki -- (scroll down to Super-T)

Your inputs as a newbie are very important to Wiki development (read over the Welcome paragraphs in the Wiki.) If something is ill defined or unclear, go the Aneros FORUM main page and then click on the Wiki sub-forum link. Put your question there and it will receive action, usually within two or three days.

Well i hope that it caught a glimpse of something there, but i have to admit that
at times i thought the joke was on me, and that this was all a scam, it felt like
creating something out of nothing, a bit like trying to re-create the Big bang if you like...
...snip...

I know that feeling!! During my first month or so, I was getting just a hint of pleasure -- not much when compared to the amount of time I was investing in sessions. The guys on X-tube looked 'scripted' and without any parallel experience save for traditional ejaculatory orgasm I was beginning to think of male multiple orgasms as Snake Oil (an old American term for "Bullshit in a Bottle" -- i.e. fake medicine that has false claims.) Despite having been married for 40 years, I didn't have a real clue about the how's and whats of my wife's orgasms.

Believe me. This is real. It's not easy. And, it suffers from a syndrome where, those who are sincere, expect the most and try the hardest are doomed to have the slowest progress.

Hint -- I walked in the door thinking that ejaculation and male orgasm were the same thing. It took nearly six months before I could distinguish between them. hth...

Yeah, i usually stop masturbating when i am just about to come (sans Progasm) and then start
all over again, just to get as much as possible out of it, not to train myself to become
multiorgasmic.

I always thought it a bit cynical and selfish of nature to give us this ability for pleasure
and then snatch it away once the semen is ejected, i guessed my selfish genes thought
of nothing but procreation and cared little for my desire to feel pleasure for pleasures sake.

However, recently i have had something akin to dry orgasms, unfortunately, they have about the same
effect as an orgasm with ejaculation, arousal subsides etc...

It feels like a wave of pleasure that kind of turns and moves back all over my body, rather than
the “muscled“ orgasms with contractions, but when the wave is over there is no more, it is
far from being a fully satisfying feeling, just a faint echo of what a full body orgasm could be i guess.

So....i have had a fresh start with the progasm and re-read the instructions.

Tried to keep a 20-50% contraction, this is supposed to be difficult
but i found it easy although boring, no quivers or spasms.

I then went on to more forceful contractions and let the head of the progasm rub
against my prostate, rather pleasurable in a kind of evasive way but i knew that
if i were to try to increase the feeling through a more aggressive prostate stimulation
it would be painful rather than pleasurable

Ended the session with good ol fashioned masturbation, going as slowly as possibly
when approaching climax. Not just contracting but actually pushing the progasm
against my prostate, i gave myself a helping hand just enough to first ejaculate, without
orgasm, and then having several smaller orgasms, or “pleasure-peaks “, before the
feelings subsided.

I am thinking that perhaps, i can learn to ad less and less penile stimulation until
the stimulation of the prostate is enough to make me climax, but what i get from some
comments here, is that it is not advisable to always end a session with jerking off, why is that?

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

That's great that you are having a fresh start with your Progasm!

I am thinking that perhaps, i can learn to ad less and less penile stimulation until
the stimulation of the prostate is enough to make me climax,

This has been mentioned a lot in this forum. But Cockadoodle's thread "Penis, NOT!" really sums up what Aneros sessions are about. I highly recommend you read through it, even if you have already done so. You might gain new insight. You will almost never feel the subtle prostate and anal sensations as long as your are stimulating your penis during an Aneros session. Whether intentional or unintentional. I also recommend you try ejaculation abstinence to increase your arousal and desire to orgasm.
http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/penis-not-13035/

but what i get from some
comments here, is that it is not advisable to always end a session with jerking off, why is that?

The reason is because you are trying to train your body to separate orgasm from ejaculation during an Aneros session. So if you ejaculate at the end of every Aneros session, you are training your body in a different and unintended direction. That won't get you to achieving super-O's. In addition, if you are ejaculating fairly regularly in general, you may not be developing enough arousal. Hence the prior mentioned ejaculation abstinence practice.
That's my take on it. 🙂

Love_is

Thanks for your comment

when i ejaculated it was for
the first time in many weeks. I never used to have a problem with arousal,
but recently my desire seems to have gone into a hibernating state,
this is not the place to discuss my physical/psychophysical issues,
i does raise an interesting question however...

....If male sexuality does not need to revolve around ejaculation, then
there would not need to be a correlation between buildup of arousal
and the buildup of semen, that gives guys that urge to “relive“ themselves.
(and some to find a masochistic gratification in sexual games of “cum denial“ etc)

In my case however, very little production of semen seems to go
hand in hand with decreased sexual desire.
What is cause and what is effect is hard to tell though, i guess i was hoping
that going for the prostate might awake something slumbering inside of me.

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

Your welcome.

When it comes to arousal and abstinence, when i ejaculated it was for
the first time in many weeks. I never used to have a problem with arousal,
but recently my desire seems to have gone into a hibernating state,
this is not the place to discuss my physical/psychophysical issues,

Well maybe not yours specifically. That is up to you. But in general, our states of mind have a lot to do with whether we experience sexual desire and arousal. And this is a very appropriate and related subject for Aneros users here. My own experience has been that my ability to easily, or without much prompting, experience arousal varies over time and experiences many highs and lows. I suspect this is pretty normal for a lot of people. If your having a lull where you are not experiencing much arousal and Aneros sessions don't do much for you. Then take a break if you need to until things do change. Or keep practicing if you can. Inevitably nothing seems to stay the same in this journey. Accept the highs and the lows. It will change.

i does raise an interesting question however...

....If male sexuality does not need to revolve around ejaculation, then
there would not need to be a correlation between buildup of arousal
and the buildup of semen, that gives guys that urge to “relive“ themselves.
(and some to find a masochistic gratification in sexual games of “cum denial“ etc)

Well perhaps someone else can add a different or better answer/perspective on this. But as I understand it, there is more than one way to experience orgasmic pleasure from our male bodies than what we previously knew of masturbating or sexual intercourse till ejaculatory orgasm. Which is all centered on stimulation of the penis. Alternative areas of sexual stimulation are not taught to us, or talked about as young teens after puberty occurs. So typically most young male children focus on the pleasure that penile stimulation and ejaculatory orgasm brings. Unless of course you are one of a small minority like the user “artform” for example, that experimented with anal and prostate massage as young teen and onward.

My own feeling with abstinence is that there is a balance with it and ejaculatory orgasm. It useful to a point, then sometimes my body seems to shut down prostate arousal and pleasure, and having an occasional ejaculatory orgasm turns it back on most of the time.

In my case however, very little production of semen seems to go
hand in hand with decreased sexual desire.
What is cause and what is effect is hard to tell though, i guess i was hoping
that going for the prostate might awake something slumbering inside of me.

I think this Aneros journey in general is hard to put a finger on exactly how it all works. Get used to it! LOL And get used to experimenting with a new technique or Aneros model when the old one stops working. I think that there very much is a slumbering prostate waiting to give you exquisite pleasure. Re-wiring for some men can take time and lots of practice. I've been at it for over 3.5 years and have not achieved super-O's yet. The closest I've gotten is one mini-O many month back. But I do in general get a lot of pleasure from my Aneros sessions, just not orgasmic yet. Otherwise I would have given up long ago! LOL Be patient, relax, keep practicing as frequent as you are able to, don't stimulate your penis during Aneros sessions, stimulate other parts of your body, nipples are a good one, experiment, and don't make any expectations of your Aneros sessions. You will keep making progress if you do this.

Love_is

i have read a lot about how important it is for the aneros to have
the ability to move inside you, now...does it ever actually move in relation
to the anus or only WITH it?

Newbie here, and still have not reached any "super-O". I am not sure I am inserting it proprtly. When I insert the Progasam, does the tip bend doun or up? Have tried both ways and still not sure. I know this is a stupid question, but i need clarification so I might reach the ultimate goal.

Hey, StiflersDad. The Progasm is inserted such that the bend at the tip is facing forward, i.e., toward the prostate which lies immediately in front of the male rectum. When it reaches the point it naturally wants to rest inside you with insertion, your prostate is cradled in the "notch" between the tip and second hump on the front side of the Progasm. The Progasm is so large and fits so firmly against your prostate there's little inward and outward movement of this model during involuntary contractions, but the stimulation to your prostate due to that firm full contact with it from inside the rectum brings on orgasm in my experience much faster than other models.

Thank you slimjim. So, when I am lying on my back the Progasam is inserted with the bent tip pointing up to the ceiling or down to the matress?

Up towards the ceiling, i.e., towards your prostate.

Hello again Wendigo, 🙂

i have read a lot about how important it is for the aneros to have
the ability to move inside you, now...does it ever actually move in relation
to the anus or only WITH it?

I believe a bit of both happens depending on what the anus and PC muscles are doing and how relaxed or contracted they are.

Love_is

Hello Love is

When i am massaging the prostate through contractions, the progasm only moves along with the muscular movements, and thats
how i imagined it should be, perhaps it would be different with a smaller model though, and maybe this is where the size
of the progasm might be a problem?

As far as the quivers or spasms are concerned, i havent experienced anything like that so far...

Hello Wendigo, 🙂

When i am massaging the prostate through contractions, the progasm only moves along with the muscular movements, and thats
how i imagined it should be, perhaps it would be different with a smaller model though, and maybe this is where the size
of the progasm might be a problem?

In part. Really the Aneros prostate massager's don't move independently of the anal muscles unless they are completely relaxed. And then you will feel it either slip in or out of you a bit on its own. And definitely more so with the smaller models.

As far as the quivers or spasms are concerned, i havent experienced anything like that so far...

I'm sure you will at some point. Give it time and frequent practice.

Love_is

At least i found it rather pleasurable to have the progasm inside me from day one,
i dont have any unpleasant sensations or emotions to hold me back.

In my last session i made a light contraction and held it. I liked the feeling of the tip
of the progasm kind of teasing my prostate, and when i focused on that feeling and
a sexual fantasy to go with it, there was a special kind of apprehensive excitement
building up, like my body was being charged.

I find it helpful to "think into my back", more precise the area around the tailbone, when making
contractions, i guess we all might have a tendency to tighten the area above the pubic-bone
when trying to isolate the muscles that makes the aneros move, which is probably not very helpful
and restricts breathing.