Prostate journey can never be mainstream.

It does seem that while Super-Os themselves would very quickly become mainstream, what needs to be done to get there is still taboo. I mean, by that logic even Aless is already 25% gay because you're trying to mentally re-create what prostate stimulation would feel like... *sigh* 

Just hit them with the facts: Every time you masturbate, you're giving a man a handjob. Most "straight" porn has naked men in it. 😂

I've spent the past few years in a state of grim acceptance, that the majority of people are just going to believe what ever they want, and they'll attack you rather than discuss it. This forum is one of the very few places on the internet I even bother posting anymore.

Though in my internet travels, I have encountered people who have only heard of prostate orgasms and the male g-spot, who aren't closed off to it. I think it's possible that once enough people are doing it, there's a cohort of other people who'll loosen their attitudes, and there might be some tipping point. I think we're still the early-adopters, and are probably more individually-minded by nature... but not everyone is like that, a surprising amount of people just go along with what ever their peer-group thinks, and put a lot more weight in that than any logical argument anyone could make.
Porn is an example of that, I remember when porn was seen as something seedy men hid under their trench-coats while scurrying down an alley-way, now men can freely admit to consuming porn and nobody bats an eyelid... you're almost the weirdo if you don't watch porn.

Not that I'm really concerned about the mainstream status of prostate-massage, I'm on my own trip and I don't need other people to like what I'm doing. It might be transformational to society if every guy was having prostate orgasms, but I don't expect I can force that change, or whether I'd even want to. Either way, it's not my job and I have better things to get stressed over.

@clenchy 

How do you hit ppl with facts that have convinced themselves and others that prostate play is ‘an agenda’ of lgbt hahahaha That’s gotta be some type of internalised homophobia. There will always be tin hats in this game.

@helghast 

You just don't try to convince these guys, they probably cannot be deprogramed. According to the Internet, some doofuses think that washing their butt is gay-ish. I don't think you could start from there and move to prostate stimulation, or it would be quite the uphill battle. 

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@clenchy How do you hit ppl with facts that have convinced themselves and others that prostate play is ‘an agenda’

 I beleive you could make a legit argument for either side of this practise. I am sure there some on each side that wish they were on the other. On more than 1 occasion I have read how some ppl have a hard time comming to grips with the fact that they do this and like it. I personally am just happythat I found this pleasure. And I'm running out with a banner. Not going to enter into an argument defending it.  This is a deeply personal issue. And as far as porn goes being mainsrteam, I don't see people watching it on the bus. and most ppl are still fumbling to close the window, when somebody walks in on them. "Your weird if you don't watch porn", really. 

There are lots of people who are talking on YouTube about "Sex Magic" for example take a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgHCUZKPv9c

I think it is a matter of time when this theme will be picked up by social media or some enterprise company who are gonna profit from this knowledge. And it will become a normal thing.

In the 40s and 50s oral sex was considered kinda revolting by the mainstream. Not until the 60s was it even imaginable that being gay would ever be acceptable or considered normal by the mainstream.

Contributors: Aneros Forum 20 to 30 over a month? Aneros Discord 10 to 20 per month? Reddit? Granted there are many more who read these sites, but how many 50%, 80%, 150%, 200% more?

A few years ago Aneros claimed to sell 1 million devices. Maybe the number is higher now. I own 4. From reading threads on these sites I get the impression that most guys own 2, 3, or 5, plus other non-Aneros toys. Perhaps that brings down the actual number of owner's of Aneros devices down to 150-200k, maybe less?

World population (2022): 7,795,000,000

Prostate owners (rough, divide by 2): 3,897,500,000

Number of world prostate owners who pursue Super-Os using direct stimulation of their prostates: x ?

This practice needs to become predictable, meaning achievable for most. Today it is not. There's the 2% of Super-O stars, who get full Super-Os in less than a week. Many will achieve Super-Os within a year, but there many more that it will take years, some unlucky few more than a decade, if ever.

Maybe once the 100th monkey threshold is reached then every prostate owner might be able to achieve Super-Os quickly and constantly. But with these minuscule numbers that could take centuries to reach the threshold.

@zaqpol 

This is what I mean 🙂 Gonna be a loooooooooooong time hahahah

@zentai 

It’s like I was watching a foreign language. I also thought,damn,you boys are really homophobic. How you conside a man and women doing some freaky stuff together to be a homosexual act is just crazy. 

@tbob To be fair,I heard the London subways have put up signs asking op not to watch porn on the tube hahaha.

@astronaut 

You’re an optimist and an idealist like our @zentai 😉

@helghast 

From my point of view, being an idealistic dreamer sucks unless you achieve or at least kickstart something BIG... like mainstream S-Os. Otherwise it's a pretty disappointing worldview.

I would not say that time is on our side here, if only because things like more screen time and social media are reducing people ability to focus and affecting their reward systems. I can only imagine that the younger generations will have more trouble achieving S-O states in general. Then as you said, porn is pretty bad for the developing brain, it just feels like the modern world is pretty hostile to Super-Os. Even "hustle culture" leaves less free time, and we know that Super-O seeking can be pretty time-intensive. Of course I don't have anything to back this, just general ideas. 

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From my point of view, being an idealistic dreamer sucks unless you achieve or at least kickstart something BIG... like mainstream S-Os.

For all except the 2%, the pursuit of Super-Os and that

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Super-O seeking can be pretty time-intensive

is the issue. With all that has been experienced and written about in the last 20 + years, we must be missing something. This adventure should not be this hard or that much work for the 98%. Perhaps I'm being idealistic? How do we get to that BIG kickstart?

@zaqpol 

Just meeting the basic conditions for entry is not that easy these days for lots of people. 

You need some baseline physical health and fitness, not a ton, but some, to at least support libido and such.

Then you need some basic mental health and fitness, so you can get into a good place, without too much stress and worries. 

Next, some free time, and intimacy, not easy with work-life balance, and everything is expensive so some guys will stay with their folks longer, or live with roommates. Guys in relationships, well they need to be able to open up to their partner about this, which is not always a simple task.  

All things considered, some of us will not have anything close to optimal conditions to tackle this puzzle. Then even with all your ducks in a row, sometimes getting into the S-O states almost feels like folding space unless you are really confident that it will actually work by itself, and confidence comes from progress and success. 

So I think that a big kickstart would come from discovering how we can provide people with early success and steady measurable progress, even if it's just lots and lots of small steps. 

Edit : @Helghast will agree that a lot of muscle building happens in the kitchen, not at the gym. I think we'll have to make some room for the idea that Super-O progress happens outside the bedroom, too. 

Yes,a huge chunk of a super o is made outside the bedroom with all the things listed. No more so than the ever changing instant world. Even if you get past the sexuality insecurities,you’ve got to tend with ppls lack of patience for the long game. Uber eats,just eat,Deliveroo,Amazon,streaming. Everyone wants and expects things brought to them ‘right now’. Personally,I think you can go from zero to super o in 6mths with little problem. Most ppl might not even give it 6 mths never mind the years it takes others. @zaqpol did some numbers,but out of the 1 million units sold,how many are still in service? How many went in the trash. So many new members here over the years asked questions for a few months then we never heard from them again. A lot of ppl give up without instant results.I don’t think it’ll ever be the norm.

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Personally,I think you can go from zero to super o in 6mths with little problem.

We both agreed on this timeline a while ago, but now I think it's a bit more complicated. I think everyone should be able to see steady progress inside 6 months, and if they reach a plateau, then they should be able to pivot from it and try different things so they can get back to progressing. I think that's realistic. 

Once you're near "the edge" or the transition point, or very close to Super-Os, then it's possible to get stuck there for a while, lots of guys experience this, and I don't know if this part can be really accelerated or skipped. Let's say we're doing this together, and I'm trying to help you, and we spend 3 months brainstorming this to save a month, it's still 6 months of man-hours. If what is holding you back is deep personal stuff, then it would not be applicable to others, outside of saying they must go into a deep introspection phase. That's just an example. 

If you are really feeling down or unmotivated, and this is what's holding you back, then it could easily take more than 6 months just to get to some baseline point where reaching S-Os starts to be realistic. 

Add to this the number of years you've been doing something "wrong" before even knowing what Super-Os are, and how much time it will take to troubleshoot this... this could even be bad posture, a week pelvic floor, sport injuries...

The reverse is also true, if you've been doing some stuff "right" for years already,  you might find that reaching S-Os is not that difficult, without giving second thoughts to things you already practice. 

More and more, I think a holistic (everything is connected) approach is needed to succeed. Maybe my early success can largely be attributed to the fact that I was younger, healthier, fitter, more positive, etc. 20+ years ago than I am today. I was nowhere near super-human in any of these metrics, and I guess I could get back there today. It's just a lot more work than just lubing up and inserting and doing the flexes. 

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This adventure should not be this hard or that much work for the 98%.

I think the Aneros specific stuff is not that hard, a lot of it is counter-intuitive at first but I'd guess most men are doing the flexes and breathing well enough, you don't have to get anything perfect. It's all the other stuff that's hard. 

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So many new members here over the years asked questions for a few months then we never heard from them again. A lot of ppl give up without instant results.

Makes the math more accurate, but only if we knew the numbers that Aneros does and how many dropouts there were.

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I don’t think it’ll ever be the norm.

Perhaps. But there can be and have been societal leaps. This may not be knowable or believable right now. @helghast your Aless method could offer a transition to inserting a piece of plastic in your butt with all the taboos that go along with it. Thought it could be something else or it could happen a long time from now.

@zaqpol I think you're a little too optimistic with your numbers. I agree with @Zentai that the journey is very hard indeed, and very few actually manage to reach success.

I'm one of the weird ones who never got aneros to work for me, but i found something else that worked for me. I would have been more than happy to stay in that place, if it weren't for all my amazing friends in this forum that showed me the true potential of the 'other' side. So i would definitly been one of thoose 'lost souls' if it weren't for this forum.

I think the Super-o success rate is closer to one in a million, rather than 2% of world population. Most people are to hardwired to this instant gratification society we got going,and toss it in the bin when they get bored of it.

@brailleskin 

I don't know if "society" or "the Man" or "the system" are making S-Os more difficult to achieve, maybe they do. I do see how the way we consume is an issue, in the sense that there is a lot of hurry to get from one act of consumerism to the next. Binge watching series or YouTube videos and everything being "on demand" are good examples. I remember "allowing from 4 to 6 weeks for delivery", and now we demand next day delivery.

I don't believe most people will extend this to expecting overnight success with Super-Os, some will, but most people should have enough patience to get there, assuming they can see some progress and can use it as motivation. 

I wrote a couple of years ago that to me, Super-O states were a kind of equal opportunity thing, where everyone could win, and there's enough for everyone. I also think that a vast majority should be able to figure it out. I don't think it's very hard as far as skills go. Honestly, I'm not the most coordinated guy, I couldn't play most sports, and still, I find that there are not that many moves or techniques you need to learn in order to succeed with prostate dry-Os. But like any other skill, unless you are a prodigy, you'll need to give this some serious time and effort, and you'll have to learn how to troubleshoot things, and this means making some mistakes and getting into some dead-ends. I'm never going to say it's trivial or super-easy, because it's not, but I can't believe this is out of reach for most people. 

The numbers being discussed around the difficulty of achieving a Super-O are clearly going to strengthen anti Aneros sentiment. However, we’re not even at the point where there are many voices to be challenged. The ignorant and homophonic voices can be challenged in the same way as they always have been and will be. If you want more people to join the community or at least give it a try, it could be done.

A social media campaign could help. Obviously I’m not talking about Facebook or TikTok. I’m not even talking about Reddit. I’m thinking about trending porn. Just think about transgender porn, which was hard to come by and now has its own channels, and has arguably enhanced debate and awareness of transgender issues. It’s obviously done a lot of harm too. But through the power of social media porn sites and trending has highlighted a community to documentary makers. Has anyone also noticed the small boom in Amazon position videos. And everyone is somebody’s stepmom nowadays.

What we need is multiple videos of male multiple orgasms and Super-Os which are watchable, dynamic, and where the man is not a 50+ normal looking guy, and if a woman could be present in the video, all the better. If we had the porn, it could trend, it could introduce people to terms they never heard of before and get them looking. If it becomes enough of a phenomenon, Vice, or Netflix or UKs channel 4 might feature it in a documentary. If that happens, at least the world might start to consider there could be more to male physiology and pleasure.

On a side note, whenever I watch one of those kinds of documentaries, I find it funny… we’ve gone full circle from ignoring (born) female sexual pleasure, to appreciating its nuance, but being totally ignorant to the fact (born) male sexual pleasure could be equally complex.

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The numbers being discussed around the difficulty of achieving a Super-O are clearly going to strengthen anti Aneros sentiment. However, we’re not even at the point where there are many voices to be challenged. The ignorant and homophonic voices can be challenged in the same way as they always have been and will be. If you want more people to join the community or at least give it a try, it could be done.

Agreed ! No group is actively stopping anyone from buying a device and using it, we don't have laws to challenge or anything of the sort. Everyone who wants to get in, can. 

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Has anyone also noticed the small boom in Amazon position videos.

Yes I did. Pegging videos, too, that are not BDSM themed are more available. I don't know if it's true that porn drove the adoption of VHS tapes over Betamax, but it certainly shapes some sex trends, no doubt. 

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What we need is multiple videos of male multiple orgasms and Super-Os which are watchable, dynamic, and where the man is not a 50+ normal looking guy, and if a woman could be present in the video, all the better.

Sadly, I'm not in a position to star in this kind of production, hehe. But I agree that some good Aneros erotica/pornography could be created, and it would probably draw some positive attention to the hobby (or is it a practice ? Branding is important, too...) 

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On a side note, whenever I watch one of those kinds of documentaries, I find it funny… we’ve gone full circle from ignoring (born) female sexual pleasure, to appreciating its nuance, but being totally ignorant to the fact (born) male sexual pleasure could be equally complex.

Yes, we should try to get to where Betty Dodson was in the early 1990's. I often wonder why we have some many resources for space exploration, and so little interest in human exploration. 

What really pisses me off is that I didn’t find out until my 50’s that having an orgasm and ejaculating were separate.  Why is that? I could have had so many years of pleasure with multiple orgasms instead of the traditional one and done accompanied by the dreaded refractory period. There is so much misinformation on what an orgasm actually is, I think there needs to be some decent mainstream stuff written about this and the prostate to educate people.

I had my first dry O within a week of starting with the Aneros and many months of sheer ecstasy of MMO’s before my first SO.  I would have been more than satisfied if I never hit a SO with just the ability of achieving Aless orgasm after orgasm.  The majority of men have no clue this is even possible let alone it’s possible without sticking something up their ass.  Read an article the other day about MMO’s, talked about how rare it is, referred to multiple ejaculation and nothing about the prostate.

I have told 9 men about the mind blowing pleasure of MMO’s, not one of them knew what I was talking about…so sad.

@trigger totally agree - I was in my late 60s when I first learned about the pleasures of prostate and anal orgasms and have been enjoying/progressing ever since! So thankful for HIH/Aneros for their contributions and support and this forum!

@fred27 @Trigger, I was 20 when I first stumbled across Aneros and I hesitated for 13 years! I don't recall such compelling literature at the time though. Just some guys saying don't knock it until you tried it, it's better than a vibrator. Although, I'm lucky to still be relatively young, that's 13 years I wish I had back. If something I write on this forum or say to someone else can prevent them waiting so long or never exploring the possibilities, that would make me over the moon.

For the record, despite only being 35, I don't have the pornstar looks I was thinking are needed to attract viewers and inquiring minds. I didn't mean to be dismissive of older men.

I would like to caveat this next bit with... I do not support Incel, red pillers or any other rebranded toxic misogyny. I feel very strongly about what I said above. Male sexual pleasure, physiology and function is not well understood. We've been conditioned by ourselves as consituents of society to accept that the penis stimulated ejaculatory orgasm is IT. Even when people experience something different, we tend to shrug it off as a fluke, a weird experience, something not worth exploring. I had my own experience of that. When I was a teenager, I squirted. I did it habitually for a while, not because of the strong physical orgasm I had, but because I thought it was a good way of ensuring my bladder was completely empty when I was away from the house for a long time. I stopped doing it after a while and I've never tried since because of the mess and the bathroom being a less sexy or comfortable space to masturbate. It's only very recently I saw a bit of discussion on here and came across a bit of rare male squirting in porn. For a very long time, it was just something I thought I was alone in. 'Some women can squirt; I sometimes do this weird thing where I pee in spurts when I overstimulate myself, despite fully emptying my bladder before, it's to be avoided in the bedroom and with partners' is what I thought for something like 20 years.

Porn is one of the reasons why trans ppl are seen as inherently sexual. I read somewhere that pornhub released its search history for conservative,Christian states on the right and trans porn was massively searched even though the right hate trans ppl the most and legislate against them.

I think knowledge through porn isnt a good idea. Look how many guys can’t get it up for a real girl after years of porn,how some think they need to treat women after porn. Not to mention the hurdles it causes in the prostate journey with distraction and dopamine issues for many guys. I just think guys will watch porn,get all excited about the vid,then have a session,it won’t be like the vid and then the negativity will set in.

I have seen articles about prostate massage from time to time on discuss media,but any comments are usually similar to the ones I’ve written about above.

Im not even sure if the mainstream thing will work. The guy here who asked was he becoming asexual,how many guys in the mainstream might go the same way and be taken off the chessboard of procreation? I mean,you don’t have to take a Helix out on a date,you don’t have to feed it,it doesn’t talk too much,it always puts out on the first night,it doesn’t complain that you’ve not mowed the lawn or fixed the leaking sink. 🙂

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It’s obviously done a lot of harm too.

@Helghast I think we agree but with some slight differences on emphasis. I didn’t think porn would be the best or safest way to communicate. I was thinking that some trending porn could help with appropriate mainstream coverage, rather than the orgasmic experience of people with prostates being washed over by documentaries.

With respect to the damages ‘caused’ by porn, in some cases, these are asserted due to the lack of recognition for the root cause or personal responsibility. But it’s perhaps too off topic to dig into that.

Of course I’ve read the Men’s Health type of articles that occasionally pop up. I think they sometimes don’t reflect the experiences written about here or demonstrate the detail and understanding. I don’t find the articles compelling or really useful. At best, before I went on my journey, these articles let me know other people shove things up their butts and some say it feels different and good. Added to that, you really have to seek them out. They’re not typically recommended reads on your news feed. More importantly, even the most exploratory sex education documentaries only ever at best skirt around what we know. You occasionally get teased that the sexological body worker who has just revealed 5% of the truth is about to expose to the Netflix watching world how complex people with prostates and penises can be and then they hurry along to another topic.

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You occasionally get teased that the sexological body worker who has just revealed 5% of the truth is about to expose to the Netflix watching world how complex people with prostates and penises can be and then they hurry along to another topic.

This is a bit of an issue for me. Once in a while we get a study or research paper, but it often feels like "After a 18 months trial, researcher conclude that prostate stimulation feels good for many men." WE KNOW ! We're in the 21st century and we still drug up some rats and jerk them off and conclude that maybe this or that mechanism could possibly have a connection with the refractory period. Then this can possibly have further implications for humans, maybe, for that one very rare neurological condition, and more research is necessary, etc. 

Until there's an actual study that goes into *how* people can reach multiple Os, then all of this is pretty limited for real world application for the general public. I still collect and read these papers and they're not uninteresting, but I can't say that I found a lot of real S-O advice in any of them. No one will ever have more expertise on my own S-O response than I do, but that's not the point. I don't understand why we're not studying S-Os, or NEOs, or status orgasmus for themselves. Maybe because it's mostly in the head and no mechanistic explanation can guide us to the finish line ? 

I can't imagine that if you asked men and women if they would be interested in having several orgasms back to back, that there would be no interest. This is pretty puzzling to me.  

Edit : I really did not intend to be facetious or downplay the importance of research. On the other hand, I don't have the resources to buy every paper that comes out, or to subscribe to the Norway Journal of Erectile Disfunction Research, nor do I have any actual clinical expertise or any schooling that would allow me to get in a position where I can do real work on this. I can't be an angel investor, either... So in a way, I have little choice but to depend on other people's research.  

@zentai I think your frustration is understandable. There are far more important areas of neglected research too. In many cases, it’s not just the practicality of doing the research, or the likelihood of finding answers or applications, it’s the likelihood of funding or personal promotion opportunities. Those research papers in high impact journals are commoditised and traded for jobs. The funding that gets you that paper is granted based on requests which tick boxes and guarantee the funder a result. Worse still, because of these reward systems, ‘failed’ experiments and unexpected results aren’t reported which loses information and costs the taxpayer dearly as mistakes are repeated. There is lots of wonderful and robust research done all the time, but it’s occurring despite being developed in a broken system. It’s a system that was in a small part created by spies and media moguls post-war. I’m starting to think I sound like a nut job, but the crazy thing is, it’s all true or at least a version of the truth.

Anyway, academia is waking up from its psycho dream and it’s possible new blue skies research initiatives might lead to better understanding one day. Also, research is coming out from behind the paywall. Before you pay next time, check if you can find a free to read version using OA button or unpaywall - it’s completely legal and supported by the research institutes.