I want to bring this forum back to the top for those who have not seen it, and might find it very interesting, as I have. I don't think it is off the topic of Aneros at all. Sometimes this site seems to isolate Aneros as an end in itself, instead of something to integrate into one's whole sexual self experience, indeed whole self. It points out how very complicated sexuality is, how complicated humans are, how the Divine (if you will) Source of all being is. This forum serves as church for me this Sunday, again in a manner of speaking, because I think Spirituality is more our nature than religion. If someone finds religion meaningful and lifegiving, that's wonderful. However it ought not be pushed down the throats of others who see things differently. Nobody has all of the truth, in fact anybody has only a wee bit of it. I am extremely impressed at the ability of men in this club to think about and discuss deep philosphical subjects. Thank you all for stimulating my thinking.