not sure if im getting a pwave or involuntaries

I wouldn’t get caught up in trying to name every sensation, as it is not a science (yet!) and everyone feels things differently. I still don’t understand the difference between p-waves and good sensations in general, or what a mini o is, though I have plenty of really good orgasms. That said, it sounds like those spasms are involuntary contractions, which one can have in any muscle of the body and which don’t necessarily translate to pleasure. They just create a rhythmic movement of the toy causing it to massage the prostate.

Being able to provoke involuntary contractions is a step in the right direction! Next you have to build on the sensations you feel mentally. Perhaps look for good sensations from the beginning of your sessions, before the involuntaries kick in, like feelings of warmth and tingling, and focus on them. In those light contractions, see if you can feel the contact of the toy gently nudging up against your prostate. Find a point where it feels really good and try and hold it there ever so gently... I find that if I get to the point of involuntary contractions without sufficient arousal or focus on the sensations, it doesn’t bring me any pleasure.

for the Aless vague nerve technique you mention, even though it is incredibly easy to provoke physiologically, without understanding how to find pleasure in those sensations through a solid basis in non-penile orgasms, it could be hard to enjoy. I am not discouraging you to do it, but it will probably make more sense after you are re-wired with the help of toys.

@bensor310 I tend to agree with @divine_oblivion that you shouldn't worry about how to define what you are feeling. I feel it can be counterproductive. I would like to replace all the different definitions in this forum with one single concept - pleasurable sensations. If you feel something and it's pleasant - go with it, regardless of how it's defined. Like divine_oblivion, I don't know the difference between all the different types of orgasms defined in this forum. What I do know is that for more than a decade now, I have had a lot of mind blowing multiple full body non ejaculatory pleasurable sensations. With as well as without Aneros.

​​​​​​​I suggest you read @neros thread The Myth of Super Orgasm.

Looking back to my early sessions, what was happening physically bears a lot of resemblance to what happens now, much further into my journey. Except, in the beginning, it wasn’t accompanied by the same level of pleasure that it is now. I think this is mostly because I was so focused on what was happening and trying to feel something that my body was skipping over the more subtle sensations.

I still sometimes catch myself trying to mentally push a sensation I find myself feeling to become something bigger. The biggest lesson I’ve learned is that relaxation seems to be the only way forwards. Let it happen, find pleasure in it. Over time it gradually gets better.