Neurological previews? ... input sought?

(this post was edited 2007-04-27 11:55:22)

Hornsby,

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the concept of a preview , but if the idea is that one would be able to manually stimulate oneself in a way that simulates the stimulation that is afforded by the Aneros, this would seem misplaced to me. Certainly for the newbie. After all, this is what makes the Aneros so unique, in that it simultaneously stimulates the prostate, the perineal accupressure point and the anus powered by ones anal contractions alone. That's the magic of it! It's all about creating that positive feedback loop that I've so often written about. Naturally some advanced users may be able to do this, using sense memory and mental focus and such....but then what is the point, as an advanced user such a thing wouldn't require testing..they KNOW that they're Super O -ready . In my opinion, the Aneros IS simply the easiest way to access the Super O. So while a workaround method is possible, it's not the straightest path.

If the idea is rather to establish some kind of a base level of sensation in each of these areas, I think this is a great idea and I have encouraged this myself in the past. The thing to bear in mind here however, is that the sensations that are produced by manual means will likely demonstrate only a small part of the total experience.

Sample methods;

The Perineum

When it comes to the perineum, one can use a finger tip or enlist a partner to gently massage the area. For purposes of this test, penile contact is recommended as it will also generate engorgement down below that will facilitate access to the neural plexus. Start at a point an inch up from the anus in the center of the perineum and work your finger tip in a tight gentle circular motion...almost like you were trying to erase a period with the end of a pencil. As this spot varies from one person to the next, it may require that you (or your partner) move your finger slightly closer to your scrotum or slightly closer to your anus. Experimentation is the key here. At all times be aware of any sensations that come out of this. Sensations of a deep and almost warm variety within your rectum or perhaps a tingling running inside your penis are both indicators of P-Spot (Sweet spot) location. Know that of all the areas that one can test, this is likely the most difficult. Often times, it requires that other areas are stimulated as well before the P-Spot is activated .

The Anus

This one is fairly straightforward and there are a variety of methods, so I won't spend too much time on it, but here is one way. Using a well lubricated finger, gently massage the anus externally first, following by gradual insertion and massage of of the anal canal. If a partner is involved, simultaneous perineal massage may be applied as well. In all cases try to avoid hammering or pounding kinds of motions. That's not what this kind of massage is about. This relates more to increasing an awareness of anal sensations and gently encouraging the development of pleasant feelings from this region. Relaxation will be a key here.

The Prostate

Although there are several methods here as well, one that I've always found fairly simple involves using the thumb. Those with shorter thumbs may have less prostate contact by this method, but it should get you in the ballpark nonetheless. This is a good one to try after the preceding exercise with anal stimulation as it will likely have helped relax you. Hold your thumb...just like you were giving someone the thumbs up hand signal, and lubricate it well all the way down to the base (some users may prefer to cover their thumbs with a condom first and then lubricate it). (Prelubricate your anus inside and out (if you've not previously done so). In a squatting position slowly insert your thumb so that the pad of your thumb is facing upwards toward your penis....your fingers will be sticking straight out underneath your scrotum, pointing away from your body. When fully inserted you will find that the webbing between your thumb and first finger comes to rest on your anus and perineum. Now, by gently arching your wrist forward, your thumb should come in contact with your prostate. Gently press on it....and observe the sensation. Now try massaging it by moving your thumb from side to side....observe the sensations. Know this...you will probably find this an awkward position...and will probably be able to maintain this for only a moment of two. But what this does, is to effectively establish for you the physical sensation of prostate contact. If you don't experience overly pleasant sensations from this method, don't be concerned....that's not what this really about. However, if you are able to locate your prostate by this method and feel NO sensation from palpating it in this way...then the Aneros may not work for you.

(This "thumb" method can also be used while lying on your side, bringing one knee up to your chest.)

For most people these preliminary "tests" will be most helpful in confirming sensation in these areas, not as a means to generate Super O like precursors. For this reason, I would call this more of an assessment rather than a "preview". But, if one experiences some level of prostate and anal sensations from this kind of exploration (the P-spot may be more ellusive), it should put you on a good footing for using the Aneros.

BF Mayfield

Originally Posted By: B Mayfield
(this post was edited 2007-04-27 11:55:22)

The Prostate

Although there are several methods here as well, one that I've always found fairly simple involves using the thumb. Those with shorter thumbs may have less prostate contact by this method, but it should get you in the ballpark nonetheless. This is a good one to try after the preceding exercise with anal stimulation as it will likely have helped relax you. Hold your thumb...just like you were giving someone the thumbs up hand signal, and lubricate it well all the way down to the base (some users may prefer to cover their thumbs with a condom first and then lubricate it). (Prelubricate your anus inside and out (if you've not previously done so). In a squatting position slowly insert your thumb so that the pad of your thumb is facing upwards toward your penis....your fingers will be sticking straight out underneath your scrotum, pointing away from your body. When fully inserted you will find that the webbing between your thumb and first finger comes to rest on your anus and perineum. Now, by gently arching your wrist forward, your thumb should come in contact with your prostate. Gently press on it....and observe the sensation. Now try massaging it by moving your thumb from side to side....observe the sensations. Know this...you will probably find this an awkward position...and will probably be able to maintain this for only a moment of two. But what this does, is to effectively establish for you the physical sensation of prostate contact. If you don't experience overly pleasant sensations from this method, don't be concerned....that's not what this really about. However, if you are able to locate your prostate by this method and feel NO sensation from palpating it in this way...then the Aneros may not work for you.

(This "thumb" method can also be used while lying on your side, bringing one knee up to your chest.)

For most people these preliminary "tests" will be most helpful in confirming sensation in these areas, not as a means to generate Super O like precursors. For this reason, I would call this more of an assessment rather than a "preview". But, if one experiences some level of prostate and anal sensations from this kind of exploration (the P-spot may be more ellusive), it should put you on a good footing for using the Aneros.

BF Mayfield

I'm wondering how many people can actually put their thumbs up their butt?
I can barely get my thumb to the opening with my big and short arms.

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BF Mayfield-

great. thanks much.

yes, i think you have hit what i had in mind by a neurological preview. the idea is to establish the first sense of what an area has to offer, ie, going from "insensate" to "sensate." Definitely not going from insensate to any significant pleasure or orgasm.

i had suggested to hornsby that he gently rock the aneros with his finger to specifically feel the very beginnings of what it is like for the aneros to engage the prostate, ie, the sense of "needing to urinate," the sense of excitement or potential, the sense of one's g-spot being touched.

your description of perineum massage is particularly helpful as is your reminder of the synergistic and feedback nature of aneros stim.

i also liked your description of anus stimulation. that may be the easiest of these to accomplish, and could serve as something of a consciously induced leader in the rewiring process. what is so interesting is how these areas come alive together and mutually reinforce each other as the newbie acquires the increasing taste for the pleasure they can provide. obviously some bodies respond quickly, and it seems that some take longer.

my main goal in introducing the idea of a neurological preview is kind of like giving a hound a whiff of the fox's scent: it gives the mysterious and somewhat unconscious process of training a direction to start heading in.

darwin

Darwin,

I thought that was probably what you had in mind, but wasn't sure. I just didn't want anybody to have the sense that manual stimulation of this sort provides any kind of true "preview" of the Super O.

Tom Thumb (love that user name),

I will grant you that my arms are long and perhaps that's why it's easier for me. However, in the squatting position, it makes this area a bit more available. Outside of that, this can also be accomplished as suggested by Darwin, by gently rocking the Aneros forward. I normally avoid advising manual intervention with the Aneros as many find that a slippery slope (if you'll forgive the expression) and quickly graduate to high intensity manipulation figuring more is better. It is not, it will NOT promote a Super O and it can actually be dangerous. For this reason, working the Aneros by hand is discouraged by the manufacturer as well. Assuming that only gentle pressure is used and that this is only a momentary actitvity used for purposes of testing.....it should be okay.

BF Mayfield

Thank you Mayfield for stressing danger of the "splippery slope". As I have shared earlier, as I was easing my MGX out one day I passed right over a very pleasurable area. In my next session I was getting some really good sensations and assisted by hand to get that spot again. That became a temptation that I found difficult to overcome. Each time I would get to a certain level of pleasure I would go for the assist again and it always felt great. I began getting a little more aggressive. I strated noticing some pain on top of the pleasure and figured that if the pleasure went away, of course I would quit. What I hadn't stopped to consider is the fact that I was not directly stimulating my prostate, I was stimulating it through a membrane which was beginning to complain. I realized how serious a mistake this could have been and cut the handle off of my Helix (I wouldn't have experiment with my MGX like this, as it is my favorite). It worked great for me and there was no temptation to push the process - and no pain either. I hope my experience will save someone else from kidding themselves or misunderstanding what is going on in there.
grateful

Hi Gents,

To BF ... you hit the nail exactly on the head with your broken down samples of how to individually introduce one's body to the feelings that you're trying to replicate simultaneously with the aneros ... this was PRECISELY what i was hoping for.

I certainly wasn't looking for an alternative means to simulate or preview the super-O outcome ... it was very much a newbie activity to give the brain an idea of what each of the parts of the puzzle should feel like. Then the trick becomes to put it all together at the one time.

You also gave me a "lightbulb" moment with your description of the perineum exploration exercise .. that being the multi-area stimulation required to activate the p-spot. This may well explain why i've been struggling to feel like the sweet spot was working as i'd expected.

Yours and grateful's warnings about avoiding the temptation to use manual intervention to move the aneros are well and truly taken on board. I'd taken that to heart through earlier posts so even when Darwin had suggested manually moving the aneros to ensure that the prostate sensation was felt, i was certainly following the "gently" part of that advice.

My sympathies to Tom Thumb ... i like BF am long and thin with fingers/thumbs to match so i wasn't concerned about being able to reach 🙂

I'll put the "assessment" technique into practice and will report back accordingly.

Thanks to all for your input ... this forum and you're willingness to offer suggestions and encouragement make this whole experience all the more achievable.