Longer toys

Anyone?

Might be your second sphincter (the one you cannot exert muscular control over due to its involuntary nature). I have a 12 inch dildo that stretches me so well I will be sweating from the pleasure (and pressure) as it comes up to the second sphincter. If I lightly "tap" the entrance, a jolt of electricity (almost painful) will shoot through me. I really just have to breathe deeply and gradually up the pressure as I relax further. Once the dildo passes through the sphincter, the sphincter relaxes for me and just feels really nice and full. As weird as this sounds, that increasing pressure and pleasure is way nicer than after I push through. I would definitely let your body be your guide since a number of factors can change the angle of attack with any toy and you could hurt yourself. Please let your body guide you and take your time.

I do have a question though. The toy is long enough that it hits a "wall".. and yet there's an inch left to go. Pressing it against the "wall" can hurt a little bit, but I feel that with a little more relaxation it could go that extra inch. I've read reviews of folks getting the entire 7 inches in there safely, so I know it's possible. But is there any danger with this? What's going on anatomically at this junction point?

In the above illustration you will see I've noted the location of Hirsch's sphincter which occurs at the junction of the upper rectum and sigmoid colon. It is my understanding this is normally in a constricted state but when fecal matter reaches a certain point this sphincter opens and through peristaltic contractions pushes feces into the rectum and triggers the urge to perform a bowel movement. Once a bowel movement has occurred and most of the fecal matter has been expelled any bits remaining in the rectum gradually get siphoned back up into the sigmoid colon (this usually takes about 20-30 minutes to complete) and is then expelled at the next bowel movement. This is why the rectum remains empty most of the time.
The "wall" you described is probably this constriction point where the rectum connects to the sigmoid colon which makes a sharp turn to traverse horizontally across the abdominal cavity. Owing to the relative flexibility of the sigmoid colon it is possible to insert longer objects past Hirsch's sphincter but one must be very careful in doing so to avoid tearing or puncturing the colon walls. Since this sphincter is not under conscious control you must be gentle when applying pressure to move an object through it as you are not only pushing against constricted muscle but you are also pushing against the upper wall of the transverse sigmoid colon. Any puncture or tear could lead to a severe life threatening infection of the peritoneum and abdominal cavity, people have died as a result of such injuries. Please be extremely careful if you are going to pursue this type of stimulation as there are significant risks involved.
Good Vibes to You !

The "wall" you described is probably this constriction point where the rectum connects to the sigmoid colon which makes a sharp turn to traverse horizontally across the abdominal cavity. Owing to the relative flexibility of the sigmoid colon it is possible to insert longer objects past Hirsch's sphincter but one must be very careful in doing so to avoid tearing or puncturing the colon walls. Since this sphincter is not under conscious control you must be gentle when applying pressure to move an object through it as you are not only pushing against constricted muscle but you are also pushing against the upper wall of the transverse sigmoid colon. Any puncture or tear could lead to a severe life threatening infection of the peritoneum and abdominal cavity, people have died as a result of such injuries. Please be extremely careful if you are going to pursue this type of stimulation as there are significant risks involved. Good Vibes to You !

Thank you for your response.

Actually I have no intention of really getting anything "far" up there, in the sigmoid colon.

I must admit, though, that twice before I have been able to *gently* get this extra inch of the toy (about 7 inches insertable length max) into my booty.. and this is done simply by just "pushing out" as if taking a bowel movement. Once I do that the toy basically glides through with no pain at all. I'm thinking this is probably not too dangerous? The 2 times I've tried, I had no problems with it at all.

I really do feel like quite the freak talking about this and esp. doing it, but the novel sensations i get from exploring this area deeply is just too good to pass up completely. I think of it as an occasional indulgence.

If anyone does think there's too much risk in this to justify it, I'd like to hear it. Rationally I do have concerns about it.

@Bartolo99,

I think you have just had that advice from @rumel haven't you?

@Pommie

Maybe so. But at the same time, a part of me wants to think inserting the full 7 inches (versus 6 normally) of a sturdy, flexible anal toy, if done gently and without force, is very unlikely to cause a problem.

@Bartolo99,

My reading of what @rumel's response to you was, that you insert anything that deeply into your rectum at considerable risk.

My advice to you is that, if you are determined to proceed in spite of his advice, you won't be able to say that weren't warned! Why not just play safe and desist?

This post relating recent "longer toy" experience is offered to underscore @Rumel 's & @Pommie 's cautions about Sigmoid play.


I grew up in the era of Enema as a routine personal procedure. Then, a Colonic was a payday reward. A college g/f gave me my first 'high' enema with a colon tube and I continue to use a 34fr. or 36fr. tube to inject most cleansing enemas into my descending colon,


For five years the normal pleasures of Aneros play were sufficient to keep me occupied and they suppressed the desire for, "that extra 1/4-inch." This year I've become attracted to pegging and have purchased of some longer toys avoid 'fallout' from thrusting.


Up to 7/8" diameter I've been able to avoid the 'brick wall' and gain easy access to the Sigmoid with either glass or semi-rigid silicone toys. But my target for the pegging toy was around 1.5" so I bought accordingly.


About two months ago I embarked on a 'girth project' with a target of 1.6" in maximum width. I employed a rigid training tool (Lucid #14) followed up with the Maia D1 dildo. Over a two week period I overcame each of the 'brick walls" I routinely halted most of these 'practice' penetrations just short of Sigmoid Sphincter.


I was satisifed that the harness and suction cup on the dildo would limit thrusts to about 1" short of the Sigmoid Sphincter.


During these two weeks I'd sometimes manage the tip of the 'practice toy' (same basic shape as the tip of a Progasm) into the Sigmoid, noting that it entered with no rotational force and could be easily rotated once inside.


My progress had been better than I expected. Session #2 had occupied 30 minutes to gain full penetration of the practice toy. Session #3 had yielded full penetration of the dildo. I was, 'on a roll.'


Session #8, about 10 days ago, was unique. Both the practice toy and the dildo "bottomed out" (brick walled) about 2" short of where I visualized the Sigmoid Sphincter (now, a couple of dozen penetrations 'under my belt' I had a good feel for several landmarks in my upper rectum.) I knew I was way short of the Sphincter so opted to explore with both the practice toy and the dildo.


As either of these approached "the wall", they attempted to rotate toward my right hip--the opposite direction from the normal curvature of the Sigmoid where it joins the rectum.


Surprised by this 'reversal of anatomy' I sought advice from a Sage of this Forum and opted for several days of rest. Several hours after Session #8 the dull ache of a rectal bruise (probably known to all devotees of anal play) settled in. Three days of rest allowed the pain to heal. I had been somewhat 'sluggish' bowelwise before Session #8. That cleared without any help from an Enema or stool softner and all has seemed normal since. There was no evidence of bleeding.


When I was suffering the pain of the bruise I accidentally struck my arm against a door jam. As happens to many folk on blood thinners, a large vein in my arm immediately became swollen and oozed blood into a large ugly bruise in the flesh of my forearm.


This was a very vivid analogue of what I imagined the inside of my rectum or colon must have looked like.


Narrow escape guys !


Food for thought !

Thanks for the input. I think I'll desist from this from now onward.

My interest in this is due to boredom. I'm sick and tired of being alone for any kind of sexual expression. It leads to desire for greater self-exploration, just for the sake of excitement. Being socially inexperienced and ridiculously shy, though, what option do I have other than just myself? I wish they came up to you; rather than waiting for me to come up to them.

Perhaps some other ideas for the new and novel with solo play would be welcomed, anything besides BDSM type stuff, or anything defeatist like a "love doll." I'm so damned bored. Just myself on a bed with... myself. Imagine this for 30+ years. Some of you guys have it easy this way.

@Bartolo99 I have been there to. Your stuck! As scary as it is you have to take the bull by the horns and join a club or something that puts you way out of your comfit zone.Not easy i know. but you have too. it worked for me and to throw myself in without a life line I got my hair peroxided blond, almost white so i stood out like a sore thumb. It only took a year and then i was engaged. Now 15 years on in am still married but hay i am in bed with myself again. life a bitch! 🙂 At least i am not alone which is the real thing that used to hurt so much.
Do it make life happen. good luck dude!

Aye... grab the bull by the horns, I agree, and it's been said to me multiple times from different people.. IRL and online. When will I ever have the courage? Well I might be derailing my own thread, but it's my thread, so...

The idea of rejection is so problematic for me. In essence, in terms of mates or dates, that is what I'm up against. Behind that layer is fragile self-esteem; fragile as in it is erratic, but generally low, and generally based on what happens on a day to day basis. The real trick is finding out how to muster the instrinsic value, believing I'm great and deserving of good things regardless of whatever happens. I've never figured that out... and why not? Most people learn to like themselves. WTF is up with me.

Try adopting the notion of "Never let the bastards get you down!" Rejection was the same for me too.Try a group that is not for finding relationships per say.
I joined Rotaract. A young peoples version of Rotary (A group that helps other people).
You will not be judged and your self esteem will rise as you help other people out.
I always felt out of place in a group before and still do a little but am way more confident now.
You will find other caring people inhabit these clubs and it gets you out there! And thats the trick. You are out there and not looking for "it" and thats when it happens! You find someone. If you are looking for someone you never find them, soon as you stop it happens.

You just have to make the first move. Even if it is like jumping off a cliff. (scary shit)
You will ring up the contact person for the group and your hands will be sweating and heart pounding but Take that bull by the horns and kick his nuts in! You da man 3:-O

@Bartolo99 I hope this helps as there was a point in time in my life when I felt similarly. I dont know how much you are doing in your time to work on how you feel about yourself. Are you reading any self help books? Are you doing daily affirmations? Are you quickly getting rid of any negative thoughts that enter your head, especially those that you project on yourself? Once you tackle some of those issues it will become easier for you to realize how great you are. It will take time, and it will not be easy. If you have any past trauma or bad experiences in your upbringing and life over all you will have to deal with them head on, that was the hardest part for me. Your effort will be well worth it though. You must recondition your mind, once you do it consciously it will seep into your subconscious and that will take over. If you want any titles to some great books that can help let me know.

I hope you get some positivity from the above comments, sexual frustration is not all bad even if it is over a long time period and too much emphasis is put on the 'S' word these days and it's not the case that everyone is having it as much as you think. It's all overrated in my opinion and too much of a good a thing well we know where that leads. Going back to your original subject, I think you're right in refraining from further inward exploration. It''s important to remember that there are very few nerve endings the further in you go and pain, if an injury is caused, won't always register. So you think everything is going swell because you're not feeling anything untoward but you could still be causing damage without realising it. Most of the nerve endings are situated near or around the anus.

Thanks for the support, devajones.

@Tickle
I agree about the higher-up exploration, so I won't be trying that anymore. However, I have found some videos of people who have done this, both amateur women and porn stars (there's some of it in "Anal Acrobats.") Basically it's a long, soft 2-sided dildo being fully inserted (we're talking about 15+ inches) and then easily expelled. Nobody seemed to be hurting in those videos, either (not that they would show that!) Just wondered if you have any thoughts on that.

It's their bodies so they're entitled to do what they like, if they want to put themselves and their bodies through sexual practices that are considered very high risk then that's up to them. Sooner or later they might find they've done damage they hadn't realised, damage to the delicate nature of the colon, infections etc that may spread to other organs. For those on sexual joyrides the risks get greater and greater every time as they push limitations. I think these clips should come with warnings to people who don't realise what is involved especially to the young and ignorant who will no doubt jump in feet first. I'm not saying that people should refrain from self exploration etc etc but just to be more aware of the full extent of the possibilities and the potential consequences of their actions. Ignorance is bliss, not always the case.

^ Well said.

One of the cautions associated with the Aneros Journey is maintenance of one's obligations to job, family and friends. It's all too easy to put these contacts on the back burner when the urge for a session bubbles to the surface. Similarly, development of new social and business contacts can take a back seat to this Journey.

If you are looking for an opportunity with both intellectual and social growth potential consider some of the volunteer jobs in your own community. I've found that my work as a Museum Docent has paid off. It provides a defined obligation (40 hours per calendar quarter has been typical), opportunity to extend my knowledge in one or two fields of interest and the opportunity to meet and develop a wide range of human relationships in a 'no strings attached' environment.

And don't overlook the on-the-job benefits -- free coffee (of questionable age) and a free lunch (usually Egg-salad sandwich, a 1/2 pint carton of milk or Lemonade and a couple of cookies, also of questionable age.)

Just drop by your favorite Museum or Exhibition venue and see what they have to offer. Four to six months as an apprentice is typical. Much of that time may may involve cataloging exhibits or researching/preparing fact sheets.

@Bartolo99. Ya know, I was exactly like you when I was young. What brought me out of it was 2 fold. First, a chance meeting with a girl, at the time, was to young, and the US Army. The girl turned out to to be my wife 5 years later, and the army helped make that happen. I'm not saying that you have to join the army, but it could be something a simple as a chance meeting. The person for you could be right under your nose. Listen to Michael Buble's 'Just Haven't Met You Yet'. Very inspirational. My wife and I have now been married for 20 years. The right person is there for you. Hang in there. Send me a message if you want to hear more of the story. 🙂

Thanks guys.

But I've just got no game. Not sure I quite deserve to have game either, because I've not fulfilled basic obligations of being a member of society. Separate and aloof is how I like to roll, put me into groups and I'm the odd one out. Not a big fan of getting things done either, I prefer to savor things and take my time. Seems no one else is like this. It's not understood or appreciated. What's a cat to do.

Bartolo99 there are plenty people like that, I am for a start, I'd wager you were fairly shy when you were younger as I was to. Shyness has actually been more or less classed as a form of mental illness and I think mine has got worse as I've got older. It prevents you from doing all sorts of things, you shy away from social events, parties this and that but you learn to live with it. I am the loner type of personality, sometimes I can't work out if it's by choice or just to do with vibes I give off to other people. In spite of this I am still a fairly happy go lucky person leading a fairly normal life, not married, no kids etc etc though as it's hard for me to fit myself into that mould as it were. I would say I have very low self esteem, low confidence, very little ambition and not exactly flush with money. These things have been linked to depression but I'd say I am not the depressive type but I do have down days once in a while, doesn't everyone. So yes I can sympathise with your situation as meeting women for me can be a terrifying ordeal dogged with indecision, clumsiness, lack of confidence etc but I have been with women in the past but things never really turned out that well due to mainly lack of understanding on both parts. The older you get the harder it gets, you don't know where you fit any more and you kind of give up and retire into your own little world, it can be a lonely place.

Thanks guys.

But I've just got no game. Not sure I quite deserve to have game either, because I've not fulfilled basic obligations of being a member of society. Separate and aloof is how I like to roll, put me into groups and I'm the odd one out. Not a big fan of getting things done either, I prefer to savor things and take my time. Seems no one else is like this. It's not understood or appreciated. What's a cat to do.

You don't want "Game". Just be nice to people. Someone will appreciate it and want to know more about you. I thought @Bravenewworld had a great suggestion about joining a group that helps others. I met my wife when I wasn't trying to meet anyone. That's the way it works. The "gamers" are just pretending to be something that they're not. So, not having game is a good thing!

Don't continue to do the same things and expect different results. Get out there and interact. It doesn't have to be at a party or a bar. Just go interact! Learn about plants, birds, art by joining groups. Help people! Join groups that clean up public parks, etc..... It's actually fun. Don't do it to meet someone, you'll just put pressure on yourself. It will just happen!

Longshanks, you're so right about how expectations and even simple desire can ruin things! It's a lesson i am continuing to learn, for me it is tricky unfortunately, but at least I'm aware of the harm this can cause. About joining groups, I have to find one where I won't feel like a third wheel... easier said than done.

@Tickle
Yes, I think you get it! That's my story, minus ever being with any woman. That is on me though, for not ever taking any initiative. I suspect that's probably why you even got as far as you did, you pushed yourself a little. I can't say the same.

The only reason I got anywhere with women is because they always made the first move, it would be impossible for me to do that due to too much inferiority processes going on plus I'm hopeless at reading the signs. if a women flirts with me I won't see it only to be told afterwards by someone that she was really interested in me so I missed the opportunity. I'll give you an example of something that actually happened, I was sitting in a late night restaurant, quite a few people were in actually and this women walked in and glanced fleetingly at me. She walked over to order something then came and sat behind me, her order comes, I think toast and coffee, the next minute I see a plate offered in front of me by her with a slice of toast on it, I declined but got into conversation with her and that started off a relationship that lasted around a year believe it or not, she was actually an ex girlfriend of a famous rock star from the 70's, quite attractive and very confident which is why making the first move was no problem for her. saying that it's not entirely true as I will sometimes really really push myself to make an effort of breaking the ice but it's usually with a lot of nervous energy so things can look a little awkward, I need to try and relax a bit more I think and not attach myself to results too much.

@Tickle:

Then all I can say is you're lucky and I envy you. You must be a good-looking guy or at least well-dressed, for women who don't know you to come up and act forward like that. I expect your body language is probably not half as bad as mine: I'm stiff and tense even if I'm having a good time. I can't seem to shut that off. I also dress poorly, as in I wear the same boring clothes all the time, and I just don't care enough to try anything different. I don't think I'd look right wearing clothes that don't fit my personality.

I'm not unattractive, I'm average looking. I *have* had women flirt (still, it's pretty rare), but if there was a chance for anything more it was lost because I always come off cold or tense, or do not know what to say. They just move on at that point.

So, please do consider yourself more blessed than I am, and be thankful for it.

@Bartolo99, This is probably controversial, but maybe you need to find someone who can 'teach' you how to act around women. There are surrogates that can teach you what you want to know and help you with your social interactions. You might be surprised, you already know what you need to, but you just lack confidence in yourself to use what you know. A surrogate could help you with that. Just research it on the net. You seem pretty comfortable on the forum. Just a thought............

Just by posting on this forum, you are showing that you want to change. I applaud you. =D>


It took me 5 years to realize and have the courage to date my wife. It can happen for you, you just need to find ways that you can build your confidence without pressuring yourself. What do you like to do? Find a group that you can join and go to the meetings. Don't pressure yourself to participate, but eventually, just by going and becoming more familiar with the people there, you most likely will find yourself interacting with people.


Everyone on this forum is here for you, a will try to help you.

I have been told I'm good looking numerous times yes although for me personally I never really believe it and think I'm just pretty average. If it is the case then it has been more a hindrance than anything else as women can behave pretty strange towards attractive men sometimes, even pretending that they're just not interested when apparently they are. I used to have a theory that if it appeared that a woman didn't like you or showed disinterest particularly on just meeting you then in actual fact it was the other way round, I can't remember how I came to that belief but I'm not sure if it could ever be proven properly and I'm sure there would be exceptions. No I dress pretty normal, not really trendy or fashionable but more practical which has kind of got worse as I've got older. I certainly wouldn't say that I dress to attract the attention of the opposite sex but I like to be fairly presentable if I go out for an occasion. We do have another thing in common, we have our own freedom to do what we want without the need to worry about what others might think or say. I see lots of people in unhappy relationships and think to myself well maybe life isn't all that bad after all and others might be putting on a front or a pretence that their lives are better than they actually are which is basically living a lie. Be true to yourself, be who you are and treat others with respect, you won't go far wrong.

" I used to have a theory that if it appeared that a woman didn't like you or showed disinterest particularly on just meeting you then in actual fact it was the other way round, I can't remember how I came to that belief but I'm not sure if it could ever be proven properly and I'm sure there would be exceptions."

Unfortunately, this is making me second-guess those rare times a woman has flirted with me... not something I'd like to do! I hope my original belief--that these women did like *something* about me--is correct and they're not being fake and just messing around, as you seem to imply.

Haha! I'm so sorry Bartolo99 I think you maybe slightly misunderstood, I still think that a woman who flirts with you is interested in you aswell for whatever reason but unfortunately for me I don't always recognise the flirts, again probably because I'm not good at reading the signs but I do recognise disinterest even though it might not exactly mean that, maybe playing hard to get might be a better way to put it but we as men have to try and decipher the secret code that women seem to use. All those looks when you're not looking, 'she wasn't looking at me' I say, yes she was but when you weren't looking at her trying to see if she was looking at you. Oh boy this is getting complicated I better stop before I get confused. (LOL).