Clarification On Aneros Terms

I recently expressed confusion as to what a P wave is, and the general response was that a p wave is just pleasure...

Pleasure is what makes you feel good. An orgasm is a peak of pleasure, small or big.  Re wiring is learning to have pleasure in different ways, via the prostate, but also via other muscles, the skin and even the imagination.

Each of our physiological responses and our perception of these responses are unique, because they are based on our individual nature and nurture.  Thus anything more specific than the above definitions will exclude certain people’s experiences.  You may or may not experience what is listed, and you will probably experience loads of things that aren’t listed.  Pleasure is as hard to define and as love, humour and other abstract concepts. Instead of trying to match our experiences to someone else’s subjective definition of these concepts, it is better to create our own personal definitions.

When I re-read the milestones and definitions of various terms, when I read other people’s descriptions of their experiences, I can only marvel at the diversity of interpretation of what pleasure is, of how people achieve it, and how much different it all is to my interpretation of pleasure.  It doesn’t bother me that we differ, just as it doesn’t bother me that I like Beethoven and some people don’t.  I simply take note of all the possibilities, and then sit back and enjoy the symphony of pleasure that is unique to me.

I attached a lot of importance to the definitions of the different sensations I was experiencing at the beginning of my journey. Like you @nat and you @divine_o I had questions about the nature of this or that sensation and was not sure if what had just happened was a P-Wave or a Mini-O, etc.
In fact, I realized that I was overanalyzing what was happening to me during the session. And, as a result, I wasn't letting myself just feel what was happening. That's one of my weaknesses. Now, I try to let myself go, to abandon myself to the pleasure that comes without wanting to label it. I don't always succeed, but when I do, it's in those moments when I feel the most pleasure and then I don't care if it's a Mini-O or a Super-O.

Posted by: @divine_o

I recently expressed confusion as to what a P wave is, and the general response was that a p wave is just pleasure...

Pleasure is what makes you feel good. An orgasm is a peak of pleasure, small or big.  Re wiring is learning to have pleasure in different ways, via the prostate, but also via other muscles, the skin and even the imagination.

Here is where it gets confusing.  If an orgasm is the peak of pleasure, shouldn't we have some indicators to when we are or are not at the peak?  I know I'm getting a bit technical here, but under that definition there really is no difference between a P-Wave and a Super O, unless we are defining based on building anticipation - the P-Wave is the beginning of pleasure and what you are feeling before stabilizing is an orgasm.  To me at least, this would mean anyone experiencing P-Waves might very well be also having an orgasm at the "peak" of the P-Wave.  Would you agree?

What exactly is rewiring if not already pleasure?  If I am rewiring then I am receiving pleasure.  If I am receiving pleasure then I am having P-Waves.  If I am having P-Waves and there is a peak to those P-Waves (as there normally would be), I am then having an orgasm.  We can then say those who claim to be rewiring and not receiving results from Aneros sessions are not actually rewiring since they are not receiving pleasure.

I also don't understand what the peak is all about in regards to the difference between a Mini O and a Super O.  Is it at all possible that users are having Super Os without knowing it, thinking they are Mini Os?  Or it could be the opposite.  Since users have talked about each Super O being different than the last, the peaks may cause users to think they are having a Super O when it is really a string of Mini Os.

Posted by: @morexp

 

In fact, I realized that I was overanalyzing what was happening to me during the session. And, as a result, I wasn't letting myself just feel what was happening. That's one of my weaknesses. Now, I try to let myself go, to abandon myself to the pleasure that comes without wanting to label it. I don't always succeed, but when I do, it's in those moments when I feel the most pleasure and then I don't care if it's a Mini-O or a Super-O.

 

Posted by: @nat

I'm almost 100% sure from everything I've read that I have not had a Super O.  I'm somewhat convinced I've never had a Mini O.  I though think I'm close to the Mini O.  I'd like to know I've reached the Super O when it happens.

Have you ever had the best sexual pleasure of your life during a session?

It happened to me quite quickly at the beginning of my journey, during the fifth session. Since then, I have regularly had "the best sexual pleasure of my life". Each time it was a little better. Four months after my first session, I wondered if I had had a Super-O, because it was so good. As I continue to have better and better orgasms, I stopped wondering. I just enjoy it.

I agree with you when you say that for some people a P-Wave can be perceived as a Super-O. However, I think that if someone has a Super-O, they won't think it's a P-Wave because the experience is so intense.

So what does it matter? Since I've been introduced to these magical tools I've been having "the best sexual pleasure of my life" on a regular basis and I hope it will continue for many years.

Posted by: @nat

What exactly is rewiring if not already pleasure?  If I am rewiring then I am receiving pleasure.

I believe this is an incorrect association. Pleasure is a subjective psychological state of being, a feeling of happy satisfaction and enjoyment. Rewiring is a physiological process ->

From Aneros WIKI Glossary

rewiring The process of taking advantage of the brain's neuroplasticity to establish new neural pathways to pleasure and orgasm as a result of learning and training using Aneros devices, techniques or other methods.

The process of rewiring does not necessarily equate or even relate to pleasure, one can 'rewire' due to negative or even painful experiences (e.g. aversion therapy conditioning).

As to indicators for peak pleasure, IMHO, there aren't any. At any particular point in time, for each individual, pleasure intensity exists at an arbitrary level and is variable from session to session.

Good Vibes to You!

Posted by: @morexp

It happened to me quite quickly at the beginning of my journey, during the fifth session. Since then, I have regularly had "the best sexual pleasure of my life". Each time it was a little better. Four months after my first session, I wondered if I had had a Super-O, because it was so good. As I continue to have better and better orgasms, I stopped wondering. I just enjoy it.

I agree with you when you say that for some people a P-Wave can be perceived as a Super-O. However, I think that if someone has a Super-O, they won't think it's a P-Wave because the experience is so intense.

I've never had experiences with the Aneros where I can say "it was so intense".  I've definitely had experiences of a matter of seconds where I can say I have felt sensations I never have before.  One thing I can note about my sessions compared to what you are describing about yourself - I have no consistent upward motion.  I will have one better session and then have a not so good one.  Or maybe I'll have two better sessions and I not so good one.  You are describing each session being better than the last.

@Rumel The process of neuroplasticity and Aneros rewiring I believe are two separate occurrences.  While they are both determined within the brain, standard neuroplasticity takes longer periods of time to rewire.  Even the basic mechanics of breaking habits and replacing them with better habits is known to be approximately 66 days.  It also has been proven that age is a factor in the length of time it takes for neuroplasticity to take hold.  I could be wrong, but has it been established that younger Aneros users have an easier time reaching the Super O?  If this is the standard process, why is it some people become rewired much quicker than others?  You have to remember, while our overall body mechanics are different, unless we are factoring in medical disadvantages, our brains are all the same.  

I agree about pleasure being subjective.  I can even agree about the things I'm feeling, which I haven't yet associated as pleasure, can over time change over into that category.  My clarification is along the lines of - once you have recognized something as pleasure, where does it fall within the journey of P-Wave, Mini O, and Super O?

I'm sure this happens all the time, yet it is hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact I may have had a Super O (with or without Aneros) many times in my life, but never known it since I have naturally disassociated those sensations from pleasure.  Interesting to think about...

Posted by: @nat

I could be wrong, but has it been established that younger Aneros users have an easier time reaching the Super O?  If this is the standard process, why is it some people become rewired much quicker than others?

I truly wish I had all the answers to feed you but I don't. Perhaps you'll be able to supply us with those answers someday.

Good Vibes to You!

Posted by: @nat

What exactly is rewiring if not already pleasure?  If I am rewiring then I am receiving pleasure.  If I am receiving pleasure then I am having P-Waves.  If I am having P-Waves and there is a peak to those P-Waves (as there normally would be), I am then having an orgasm.  We can then say those who claim to be rewiring and not receiving results from Aneros sessions are not actually rewiring since they are not receiving pleasure

I think that if you have decided you want to experience prostate pleasure—you read the forum, you play with toys—you have begun the process of rewiring. There is no conceivable end to rewiring seeing as the mind is limitless, but we talk about rewired on the forum as being able to regularly get satisfaction through prostate stimulation.

Posted by: @nat

Here is where it gets confusing.  If an orgasm is the peak of pleasure, shouldn't we have some indicators to when we are or are not at the peak?  I know I'm getting a bit technical here, but under that definition there really is no difference between a P-Wave and a Super O, unless we are defining based on building anticipation - the P-Wave is the beginning of pleasure and what you are feeling before stabilizing is an orgasm.  To me at least, this would mean anyone experiencing P-Waves might very well be also having an orgasm at the "peak" of the P-Wave.  Would you agree?

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I also don't understand what the peak is all about in regards to the difference between a Mini O and a Super O.  Is it at all possible that users are having Super Os without knowing it, thinking they are Mini Os?  Or it could be the opposite.  Since users have talked about each Super O being different than the last, the peaks may cause users to think they are having a Super O when it is really a string of Mini Os.

The first paragraph is hard to answer because I only know my experience.  For me the difference between pleasure and an orgasm is very clear. Often times on this forum myself and others will tell struggling users that they might be overlooking pleasure or even orgasmic pleasure because they are searching for something else.  What is meant by this is that people sometimes search for sensations that they know, and neglect sensations they don’t know because they don’t have an open mind to these novel sensations.

Don’t worry about the differences between orgasms.  I myself do not understand what mini os or super os are, how they differ. For me there is just pleasure and orgasm.

For me p wave is just pleasure. A woman’s hand on your thigh,p wave. Pleasure during your session,p wave.
If you’ve ever had an orgasm,then you know it’s different from just pleasure,it’s the crest of your pleasure wave,like when a surfer jump up after paddling to ride his wave. These things can only really be quantified in your own head. 
It’s probably not worth ruminating over it. 

Posted by: @nat

One thing I can note about my sessions compared to what you are describing about yourself - I have no consistent upward motion.  I will have one better session and then have a not so good one.  Or maybe I'll have two better sessions and I not so good one.  You are describing each session being better than the last.

It's only been the last two or three months that my sessions are almost always better.
Since the beginning of my journey, I have had remarkable sessions followed by failed or banal sessions.

I have noticed that I am progressing in levels. Like many other people. The last level I reached two or three months ago was the possibility of having orgasms that are no longer centered only in my prostate area and that can be felt in a very large part of my body. The second progress of this new level is that I no longer have failed sessions. They are all at least as good as the last one. And sometimes, every three or four sessions, I pass a small intermediate level with even more pleasure.

Posted by: @divine_o

There is no conceivable end to rewiring seeing as the mind is limitless, but we talk about rewired on the forum as being able to regularly get satisfaction through prostate stimulation.

So...  I get the whole "the mind is limitless" idea.  I have to ask...  If there is no end to rewiring in terms of orgasms, what is next after the Super O?  

Posted by: @divine_o

Often times on this forum myself and others will tell struggling users that they might be overlooking pleasure or even orgasmic pleasure because they are searching for something else.  What is meant by this is that people sometimes search for sensations that they know, and neglect sensations they don’t know because they don’t have an open mind to these novel sensations.

I might be suffering a bit from that.  Last night was a perfect example.  I've been starting to get the involuntary twitching.  I had gotten it a few times in the past (years ago), but nothing consistent like I seem to get the last few weeks.  Even in the moment of the twitching, I'm almost searching for some sort of pleasure to go along with it.  I guess it is just expected.  But nope...  I get nothing.  I think a good amount of why I have that expectation is because many years ago a member on here used to post videos of his sessions.  He always had these almost violent twitching episodes with what he called mind blowing pleasure.  I never believed the device could get you moving like that.  I've never experienced anything that intense (twitching wise), but I've experienced it enough to now know it is real.  My mind I think is thinking  I should be experiencing the mind blowing things he did, and that could be preventing me from feeling anything at all.

Could part of it also be I can't comprehend the pleasure because what the pleasure actually is isn't something in my mind's normal response range?  I'm not sure how to get passed that besides an open mind.

Posted by: @morexp

It's only been the last two or three months that my sessions are almost always better.

As I said in another thread, I've been focused on a modified Progasm for the last few weeks.  It (along with an audio file I created) have done wonders for me in a short period of time.  I'm not so sure I have had a "failed" session recently, but sometimes I'll have a session and feel something new, get excited about feeling it again next time (and building on it), then have the next sessions with the sensation not returning.  Is it my anticipation that is causing it not to happen?  Or maybe it is me in the moment being disappoint because it hasn't happened yet, without even realizing my disappointment.  Maybe I'm just moving too fast in my thinking of wanting to build on it, instead of just riding out the sensations until they are strong enough my body recognizes them.

@nat

I don't feel there's anything "next". It's like with cars, there's the world's faster car, then the next thing is another faster car, and it's cars all the way to the end and forever. They just keep getting faster. The only thing stopping this progression: the laws if physics. The Super-O keeps getting better until you get to a state where "better" stops having any meaning and that's pretty much it, except you won't find laws in your mind, hence, this is limitless (or close enough). 

Posted by: @nat

Posted by: @divine_o

There is no conceivable end to rewiring seeing as the mind is limitless, but we talk about rewired on the forum as being able to regularly get satisfaction through prostate stimulation.

So...  I get the whole "the mind is limitless" idea.  I have to ask...  If there is no end to rewiring in terms of orgasms, what is next after the Super O?  

Posted by: @divine_o

Often times on this forum myself and others will tell struggling users that they might be overlooking pleasure or even orgasmic pleasure because they are searching for something else.  What is meant by this is that people sometimes search for sensations that they know, and neglect sensations they don’t know because they don’t have an open mind to these novel sensations.

Could part of it also be I can't comprehend the pleasure because what the pleasure actually is isn't something in my mind's normal response range? 

First question was well answered by @zentai, but also you can find the answer in what I said. If you don’t worry about qualifying orgasms and just say in orgasm is an orgasm is an orgasm, there is no upper (or lower) limit. Not in duration, not in intensity, not in quality.

And for the second question, yes, that is why you are rewiring, so you can tune in to sensations that you aren’t used to paying attention to.  The more you become aware of these sensations, the more you can amplify them in your mind and learn how to get pleasure out of them.

Posted by: @divine_o

And for the second question, yes, that is why you are rewiring, so you can tune in to sensations that you aren’t used to paying attention to.  The more you become aware of these sensations, the more you can amplify them in your mind and learn how to get pleasure out of them.

I wonder what is a better method :

- Try your best in the moment to find sensations that seem odd or different.  Recognize they are there.  Then hope they return enough for repetition to recognize them unconsciously.

Or...

- Use the placebo effect.  Try your best in the moment to find sensations that seem odd or different.  Recognize they are there.  Start to trick yourself into thinking pleasure is present when it is not.  Then hope they return enough for repetition to recognize them.  Here, each time you can visualize yourself turning a dial up like you would on the volume, to amplify the level of pleasure.

Posted by: @nat

- Try your best in the moment to find sensations that seem odd or different.  Recognize they are there.  Then hope they return enough for repetition to recognize them unconsciously.

Or...

- Use the placebo effect.  Try your best in the moment to find sensations that seem odd or different.  Recognize they are there.  Start to trick yourself into thinking pleasure is present when it is not.  Then hope they return enough for repetition to recognize them.  Here, each time you can visualize yourself turning a dial up like you would on the volume, to amplify the level of pleasure.

Definitely the latter of the two methods.  The first method requires no activity by the user, and I don’t think the rewards will be very great.

For the second method I would argue with the word placebo, and replace it with arousal and other hypnosis tricks, which lead to arousal and also “create” sensations.  Arousal will turn up the amplification dial.

When we see an attractive person in the street or flirt with someone or find ourselves naked in bed with someone we get aroused.  And if we look at pornography or hear our neighbors having sex or see a bus door close (I don’t judge) we also get aroused.  When we are alone, we don’t always have the possibility to hear our neighbors have sex or see that hot bus door with its well greased hinges, and pornography seems to be a hindrance for many (possibly because it is too connected to our traditional masturbation). So the question is how to get sufficiently aroused. There are many threads here dedicated to that.  But I have a question for you. Are you able to get so aroused just by using your imagination and nothing else—no hands— that you get a rock hard erection?

It is hard to say where auto hypnosis starts and fantasy ends.  In any case it is possible to trick your mind by creating a sexual situation that doesn’t exist. You can pretend there’s a partner in front of you by talking to them, by moaning, by asking them to do things to you and imagining them doing those things to you. Maybe my imagination is a bit unhinged and this sounds crazy, but these are things I do when I am alone.  I think this is why marijuana and other drugs help some people so much: they allow you to have an unbridled imagination, which turns into very real arousal.

If you want to try out a sort of hypnosis to create very real imagined sensations all over your body, look into amygdala clicking.  Or just close your eyes for several minutes at a time and imagine someone touching your body in different ways. With a bit of practice soon you’ll “feel” that touch...

Posted by: @divine_o

But I have a question for you. Are you able to get so aroused just by using your imagination and nothing else—no hands— that you get a rock hard erection?

I've studied a lot about neurology and psychology.  While I am at a point in my life where I don't want to put labels on myself, I think I am what some people would call Aphantasia.  My entire life I have had a hard time with visualizations, despite being an overall creative person.  Only way I can explain it is - I cannot visualize if you ask me to close my eyes and describe a tree, but I can with my eyes open grab from memory things that will lead me to describing a tree.  I'm starting to learn some techniques now about strengthening visualization.  Aphantasia is a newly labeled thing (2015) and they claim it only effects a small portion of the population.  I find it hard to believe you cannot strengthen imagination yet neuroplasticity can take effect.

I have used porn a lot, but to be honest it really doesn't work.  I have not had success with relationships in my life, so porn has always been my "go to".  I think from years of watching it, I have developed a sort of immunity to its effects.  This extends all the way back to when I first started as an Aneros user when I was 24. 

Posted by: @divine_o

 I think this is why marijuana and other drugs help some people so much: they allow you to have an unbridled imagination, which turns into very real arousal.

I have nothing against recreational drug use, but when we get into the territory of using drugs to assist in rewiring your brain, it gets a bit sticky and alarming. 

Posted by: @divine_o

If you want to try out a sort of hypnosis to create very real imagined sensations all over your body, look into amygdala clicking.  Or just close your eyes for several minutes at a time and imagine someone touching your body in different ways. With a bit of practice soon you’ll “feel” that touch...

What you are describing is "anchoring".  Look into NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming).  If you are good at visualizations and do a lot of strict practicing, all that works.   

One other thing I can't find on the Wiki (maybe I overlooked) is about the involuntary twitching.  Seems to be most Aneros users get it.  What is actually happening in your body to cause that physical reaction?  

Posted by: @nat

One other thing I can't find on the Wiki (maybe I overlooked) is about the involuntary twitching.  Seems to be most Aneros users get it.  What is actually happening in your body to cause that physical reaction?  

Usually down to fatigue and heavy workload of muscle fibres.
Most people don’t use them like we do.  

Posted by: @nat

I've studied a lot about neurology and psychology.  While I am at a point in my life where I don't want to put labels on myself, I think I am what some people would call Aphantasia.  My entire life I have had a hard time with visualizations, despite being an overall creative person.  Only way I can explain it is - I cannot visualize if you ask me to close my eyes and describe a tree, but I can with my eyes open grab from memory things that will lead me to describing a tree.  I'm starting to learn some techniques now about strengthening visualization.  Aphantasia is a newly labeled thing (2015) and they claim it only effects a small portion of the population.  I find it hard to believe you cannot strengthen imagination yet neuroplasticity can take effect.

 

I have nothing against recreational drug use, but when we get into the territory of using drugs to assist in rewiring your brain, it gets a bit sticky and alarming.

 

Very interesting, aphantasia. I hadn’t heard of it before, but I imagine that that could create some difficulties in the arousal realm. For you does it include sentiments and sensations? I have a sort of hyper Fantasia thing going on, though i wouldn’t slap that label on myself because I am sure that people who actually have that find it debilitating.  But my sexual fantasies are not necessarily visual. They are very often on the level of sentiments and sensations. For example I will imagine myself in a lovers arms, that she is holding me and touching me and saying sweet things to me. And I will say sweet things back to her even though she is not actually there. Or I will imagine licking her pussy. I am not picturing a vagina, rather, I am recalling what it feels like to have my face buried in one, physically and emotionally.  I also imagine things that I’ve never done or that will hopefully never be done to me, but I that excite me nonetheless (I’ll spare you the details). 

I don’t mean to tell you that your aphantasia is a block between you and pleasure, but I believe that for me a lot of my pleasure comes from fantasy and autohypnosis.  If I am able to get sexually excited very easily, it is in great part because I am able to recall previous sexual situations, and sensations.  This goes for aless and aneros use as well as intimacy with a partner.  Just like someone might recall a joke and have a laugh, I can recall an orgasmic sensation and feel it immediately.  Is fantasy something you can work on possibly? Through meditation, through, practice visualizing images and recreating sensations in the mind (amygdala clicking, again)...? I know that practicing is beneficial for me, but I don’t have the same underlying fantasy hindrance as you do.

I disagree with your statement about drugs. I think the only thing that should be avoided is reliance for results and addiction. Psychedelics, mdma, marijuana and ketamine are currently being used in novel ways to treat people for all sorts of disorders, and others such as myself use them to treat the disorder that is the human condition. I don’t find it sticky and alarming, rather I find it wonderful to live in an age with so many aids to expanding the mind. Many of the positive things I have learned through drugs have stuck with me, including sensations and ideas. I don’t mean to push you to take drugs, but I do find them to be a very useful tool in rewiring, and don’t find anything negative about that.

Posted by: @helghast

Usually down to fatigue and heavy workload of muscle fibres.

I've been using a modified Progasm lately (check the first post of my Modified By Mistake thread for a photo).  I've found that when I lay on the bed, on my back, with my legs bent, I tend to have my bottom suspended very slightly.  That suspension seems to give me a lot more actual sensations and little twitching.  When I sink into my bed, then is when I start getting the heavy twitching (but less sensations).  Since obviously the back tab is still on the Progasm, my initial thought is the bed pushing the Progasm in even more than it is already sucked in, causing more direct contact with the prostate.  More direct contact with the prostate would then cause the twitching.  But maybe I'm wrong and it is throwing the device off the prostate.  It just seems odd to me the Progasm would be connecting more with the prostate, but giving less sensations.  Shouldn't it be the opposite?

Note this is model specific.  I have not received any twitching in years.  A few times with a non modified Progasm.  A few times with an original Helix.

Posted by: @divine_o

I hadn’t heard of it before, but I imagine that that could create some difficulties in the arousal realm. For you does it include sentiments and sensations?

From everything I have studied with visualizations, the sensations or emotions are an afterthought or in the moment response.  I can easily picture someone I find attractive, and maybe even insert them into a sexual fantasy, but because I am going from memory and not creating a picture in my mind, I am not receiving the same response to what is coming to mind.  This does deeply effect arousal (among other things in my life).  

What you are describing to me seems very elaborate.  I would imagine you are visualizing at a much higher level than you are aware.

Posted by: @divine_o

If I am able to get sexually excited very easily, it is in great part because I am able to recall previous sexual situations, and sensations.  This goes for aless and aneros use as well as intimacy with a partner.  Just like someone might recall a joke and have a laugh, I can recall an orgasmic sensation and feel it immediately.  Is fantasy something you can work on possibly?

I'm 37 years old.  I have never been in a sexual situation, simply because anyone I have been attracted to has not reciprocated.  So, I'm forced between a rock and a hard place, as porn won't do it because of the length of time I've been without someone physically, and recalling is impossible since I've never had the joy of experiencing that level of intimacy.  I've thought before about recalling sensations from past Aneros sessions, but I feel that is distracting and bringing in expectations that could hurt a session more than help it. 

Posted by: @divine_o

Psychedelics, mdma, marijuana and ketamine are currently being used in novel ways to treat people for all sorts of disorders, and others such as myself use them to treat the disorder that is the human condition

The human condition can safely be reprogrammed without drug use.  As for other disorders, the use of those drugs are usually different than say smoking a joint and getting high.

Posted by: @nat

I'm 37 years old.  I have never been in a sexual situation, simply because anyone I have been attracted to has not reciprocated.  So, I'm forced between a rock and a hard place, as porn won't do it because of the length of time I've been without someone physically, and recalling is impossible since I've never had the joy of experiencing that level of intimacy.  I've thought before about recalling sensations from past Aneros sessions, but I feel that is distracting and bringing in expectations that could hurt a session more than help it. 

I have thought a lot about this, looking for a good answer and knowing that I probably don’t have one.  I would say, that since you have never made love to another person, you must learn how to make love to yourself.  That is obviously what you are trying to do with these toys, but maybe you need to take it to the next level. That is, maybe you need to turn your own body and your mind into an object of your erotic desire.  All men masturbate, but how many actually make love to their own bodies? How many allow their own sexiness to become a generator of arousal? It takes shedding the shameful psychological burdens piled upon us by religion, media and peers. And it takes exploring one’s body the same way one might explore a lover’s body. 

I can’t tell you if recalling Sensations will help you or not, But it does help me. I think it is more subtle than just visualizing. It is like learning anything. You don’t recall previous lessons word for word, but you don’t intentionally ignore what you have already learned either. I would say that any good sensations that you have had before you should look for again. If this doesn’t work/creates too much expectation then you can stop doing it—will you have lost anything for trying?

Of course people can reprogram without drugs. I respect everyone’s choice to do so, just as you respect people’s choice to use drugs. I can’t say who I’d be today without occasional drug use, and there is a chance I would be a much different person.  But I like who I have become and I cherish my drugged experiences greatly.  Smoking a joint (or doing any drug) and getting high is just that if you let it be. But if the experience is “ritualized”—used occasionally, with intention, with goals of exploration and satiating curiosity, or with goals of musing on life—then it can be highly therapeutic, even outside (or especially outside) the confines of prescribed use.  

Posted by: @divine_o

maybe you need to take it to the next level. That is, maybe you need to turn your own body and your mind into an object of your erotic desire.  All men masturbate, but how many actually make love to their own bodies

I don't find myself to be attractive in the sense of me finding other guys attractive.  I'm not saying I am ugly or unworthy of love.  I'm simply saying my physicality is not my "type".  If I have a hard time getting aroused from porn with guys I do find attractive, how would this be any better?

Maybe you have so other ideas since most Aneros users are straight.  How do they sexualize themselves, to the point of arousal, when they are not attracted to the same sex?

@nat Sorry I was not very clear.  When I say turn yourself into an object of desire, I do not mean look at a picture of yourself and jerk off. I mean make yourself feel sexy in your own body. Touch yourself all over, suck on your body parts, lick yourself, bite yourself... have you touched every part of your body meticulously searching for nice sensations? If not, do so!

See if you can work yourself up into a frenzy of desire.  Dance in sexy ways. Wear sexy clothing. Create a sexual alter ego. Give your playtime sexual self a different name.  Create ambiance in your bedroom, find fabrics that feel good on your skin. Find a woman’s perfume that turns you on, and put a drop in your sheets and bask in it.

Write a list of things that make you feel sexy, like—I feel sexy when I run my hands across my breasts; I feel sexy when I spread my legs; I feel sexy when I spray hot water on my ass... and do those things regularly.

Learn to take on postures of sexiness and submission, see how they make you feel. Finger a fruit. Masturbate with oil and make a mess of it. Moan. Moan some more. See if moaning makes you feel good. Feel good yet? Yes? No? Doesn’t matter either way, moan some more.

 I wrote something a few months ago... it is along the lines of the above, one sec...

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/arousal-building-methods/#post-109682

Posted by: @divine_o

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/arousal-building-methods/#post-109682

A lot of what I learned about touching came from the use of the Hypnaerosession recordings.  The recording as a whole didn't do much for me, but the use of slightly rubbing your legs, chest, crotch, etc, sometimes seems to give a bit.  Nipple toughing seems to work a bit more.  It just hasn't done much lately.

I'm not a very vocal person with a lot of this stuff.  I live with family and do sessions late at night, so it really isn't possible for me to be shouting out things from the other room.  When I had a place of my own, I kind of remember doing a bit of what you described.  I don't remember if it brought on any different sensations.  I know it didn't make me feel any more or less aroused.  

I guess I am just a unique case when it comes to Aneros.  Whether you get great results or not, most users are able to tap into their sexuality from past experiences, as well as actively close their eyes and visualize.