Best lube- Probe Thick & Rich Best price- Walgreens.com

OK, Scorch, Virg and ALL!

You have peaked my curiosity . . . I ordered a big pump bottle of Probe (thick rich)!

The NEVER-ENDING search for the ultimate lube continues . . .

Later, Hlaser99

Oh my god! I was actually going to buy Probe if I could find it at the store I went to! Now you've gone and gotten me depressed that they didn't have it there! 🙁 Does Walgreens have this in their actual stores? Or just online?

Oh my god! I was actually going to buy Probe if I could find it at the store I went to! Now you've gone and gotten me depressed that they didn't have it there! 🙁 Does Walgreens have this in their actual stores? Or just online?

I bought both the regular and lite versions in store. Best purchases I've made for *ahem* myself outside of the aneros itself. It's worth the awkward visit to walgreens

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Propylene glycol is a Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) food additive that is widely used in
* food and tobacco products,
* pharmaceuticals, and
* cosmetics.

In certain medicines, cosmetics, and food products, propylene glycol acts as
* an emulsifying agent,
* industrial drying agent,
* surfactant, and
* solvent.

Concentrations in Food:
Concentrations in foods range from

QuoVadis-

Thanks for the information.
Below is from the link you posted, don't you think internal use could produce the same results?:

No adverse health effects are likely to occur from normal use of these products. However, heavy use of injectable medications with propylene glycol (Louis, Kutt et al. 1967; Seay, Graves et al. 1997; Yorgin, Theodorou et al. 1997; Wilson, Reardon et al. 2000), or prolonged and extensive topical application on compromised skin, such as burns (Peleg, Bar-Oz et al. 1998), has caused excess levels of propylene glycol in the body.

Propylene glycol is a Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) food additive that is widely used in
* food and tobacco products,
* pharmaceuticals, and
* cosmetics.

In certain medicines, cosmetics, and food products, propylene glycol acts as
* an emulsifying agent,
* industrial drying agent,
* surfactant, and
* solvent.

Concentrations in Food:
Concentrations in foods range from

One of Probe's ingredients, Polypropylene glycol (Polyethylene Oxide),a petrochemical is used in antifreeze and brake fluids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_glycol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol

Propylene glycol is NOT Polyethylene Oxide (Polypropylene glycol) . Polypropylene glycol is a different chemical compound. Ironically Propylene glycol can be synthesized from Polypropylene glycol, but it is a different material with different chemical properties. Propylene glycol is not the same as Ethylene glycol either, again.....different compound, different properties.

The proper Wikipedia link for it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

The fact is that there are a vast number of chemical compounds that have clinical AND industrial uses. That they have industrial uses is not an indictment of the substance. To get an accurate picture of safety one must examine their toxicity. I think the record is pretty clear on propylene glycol, that it is of very low toxicity (see link above).

For those unfamiliar with chemistry, evaluating the "chemicals" that we consume or otherwise utilize can be a daunting prospect. Things are not always as them seem. For instance, it is possible to synthesize harmless substances from toxic ones (fat/oil + sodium hydroxide (lye) to make soap) and vice versa. Again, all of these things must be considered on a case by case basis. In the case of something that is consumed or absorbed into the bloodstream one must look at how the material is broken down by the body. Propylene glycol is broken down to Pyruvic acid. As many of you may remember from biology, pyruvic acid is a key component in the metabolic processes of energy production in the body.

BF Mayfield

Thanks for clearing that up B Mayfield.
Sorry to create confusion. 😕

One of Probe's ingredients, Polypropylene glycol (Polyethylene Oxide),a petrochemical is used in antifreeze and brake fluids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_glycol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol

Propylene glycol is NOT Polyethylene Oxide (Polypropylene glycol) . Polypropylene glycol is a different chemical compound. Ironically Propylene glycol can be synthesized from Polypropylene glycol, but it is a different material with different chemical properties. Propylene glycol is not the same as Ethylene glycol either, again.....different compound, different properties.

The proper Wikipedia link for it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

The fact is that there are a vast number of chemical compounds that have clinical AND industrial uses. That they have industrial uses is not an indictment of the substance. To get an accurate picture of safety one must examine their toxicity. I think the record is pretty clear on propylene glycol, that it is of very low toxicity (see link above).

For those unfamiliar with chemistry, evaluating the "chemicals" that we consume or otherwise utilize can be a daunting prospect. Things are not always as them seem. For instance, it is possible to synthesize harmless substances from toxic ones (fat/oil + sodium hydroxide (lye) to make soap) and vice versa. Again, all of these things must be considered on a case by case basis. In the case of something that is consumed or absorbed into the bloodstream one must look at how the material is broken down by the body. Propylene glycol is broken down to Pyruvic acid. As many of you may remember from biology, pyruvic acid is a key component in the metabolic processes of energy production in the body.

BF Mayfield

Has anyone tried Power Cream by Pjur?

Will silicon alter the plastic the Aneros is made of??

At the Walgeens web-site you can check availability at your local Walgeens store.It will state if Probe is in stock,contact store(most likely not currently in stock)or that the store doesn't stock it.

Hi, all.

I know that the polyethylene glycol (3350 food grade) chemical is as safe as it can be due to the fact that we have been ingesting it for years in our foods and has been labeled as just an additative for bonding, texture and etc. It is also in some lubes and other stuff used to make things thick.

I has also been used for many years in Miralax, a once only by prescription, laxative. Miralax is a grandular material that dissolves totally in any substance. It has little taste (it does taste a little and has a sweet taste). It does foam at times when reacting to being mixed to much in a drink or liquid.

Miralax has been by in children and adults for many years, over 20 years. I know that I use Miralax for the very reason it was intended. I know it is used in a vast number of products on the market and if it isn't safe, we should all be dead by now. It is a PEG wax and must be considered slightly risky, I guess, due to this factor, but in all the years of useage someone would have sued by now if it was doing anything to us, I believe. It is the best product of its kind for this or any type of useage in which human or animal contact could be a possibility.

Since having a chemical injury already, I am very cautious and must be over anything I put into my body, whether eating it, placing it on my skin or otherwise. I researched this compound for many months (MSDS, Chemical charts and other things) before actually trying any and have found no ill effects so far. If I can take it most normal people should have little or no problems.

I believe, IMO, that this is as safe a product as any can be that is made for human or animal ingestion or otherwise.

Just wanted to put in my two-cents on the polyethylene glycol remarks and maybe shed a new light to it also.

(Sometimes I hate copy and paste when I copy one thing and forget to look at what I'm pasting then! 😳 )

Hi,

Just what kind of shea butter are you using? Unrefinded, Raw, refinded? This is a big question really since I can find different types on the net. 😕

Also how much heat do you use? Just enough to melt the stuff together or enough to see little bubbles in the mix? Is too much heat going to ruin my mix? 😕

Also, I would like to know if anyone has tried this in the microwave since melting cooking ingredents is a lot easier in the microwave? If not maybe I'll try after an answer to these questions. 😕

I hope I don't tick anyone off asking this stuff. Sorry if it has, but I need some answers, if possible. 🙁

This is all still new to me and this stuff isn't cheap if you are on a budget of any kind. I don't want to buy the wrong things. 🙁

Thanks to whomever answers me.

You definitely want unrefined shea butter. (It is expensive but a little goes a long way.) I never warm it up; I just form two pea-sized balls and insert them quickly. They will melt inside.

Sirius

Spent some time in the medical field, I gotta tell ya, K-Y, is certifiable and used almost exclusively for all internal lube requirements. For my needs, I've used it for years. (_|_)

KY has glycerin in it.. No thanks...

I know that the polyethylene glycol (3350 food grade) chemical is as safe as it can be due to the fact that we have been ingesting it for years in our foods and has been labeled as just an additative for bonding, texture and etc. It is also in some lubes and other stuff used to make things thick.
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I believe, IMO, that this is as safe a product as any can be that is made for human or animal ingestion or otherwise.

Just wanted to put in my two-cents on the polyethylene glycol remarks and maybe shed a new light to it also.

Famous last words - what do you know regarding ingesting man made chemicals - I challenge you the only true statement is - we all know nothing!

I know why I do not buy convenience food, avoid mcDonalds, KFC etc and pay a bit more for quality bio-food.

Spent some time in the medical field, I gotta tell ya, K-Y, is certifiable and used almost exclusively for all internal lube requirements. For my needs, I've used it for years.

yes K-Y certified in small occasional dosage is presumably as safe as or a bit more than an occasional X-ray examination. But as AW points out KY has glycerine which is a man-made by-product when making soap. Glycerine is obtained from both vegetable and mineral sources - and for cost effectiveness my guess is that KY uses glycerine from the mineral oil industry.

I know why I use natural oils obtained from vegetables, coconut and shea.

Totally agree with you Alv.
Why use K-Y or Probe when Natural Jelly is cheaper, natural, works better, lasts longer?

In the past I used a organic shea butter cosmetic cream (100% shea + vitamin E the label claims). Yesterday I received 100% hand crafted shea butter - now wait for it - only $8.49 per pound (450 grams). It comes as a slab, packed in a plastic bag, not in a jar as I presumed.

This I mixed with virgin pressed coconut oil with which I pre lube and aneros gets a coating of shea butter. Super smooth and lasted for 3 hours (and most probably more). Aneros was still nice and oily.

Here is the site for reference http://www.coastalscents.com - I do not think you can get much cheaper than this

Well, alv,

I did say, “IMO” and “I believe” when talking about the only one chemical Miralax (polyethylene glycol 3350). I say this due to its use for its single purpose of constipation relief for over 20+ years will little or few side effects in the many that have used it.

I don't mind being called down for something I state in text, except in this case it was preceded by “IMO” and “I believe”. I also stated “It is the best product of its kind for this or any type of usage in which human or animal contact could be a possibility,” which I still think is true if used as directed for its use in that mixture and not overused. Anything overused is a danger.

The only reason I stated what I did was from months of researching Miralax (polyethylene glycol 3350) before I had to take the leap and use the product myself. Since having a chemical injury, I am not about to use a product that might cause me anymore harm than I already have to my body. Miralax (polyethylene glycol 3350) is used by millions now and it's other forms of PEGs have been in some foods for years now without being listed. (Being backed up for nearly a week or more can kill a person too. We are toxic to ourselves even.) This is the only product of its kind that is not made using sulfur, senna or plant based products that might be even more poisonous to many out there.

I am not telling anyone to use it or anything else as a lubricate for any reason other than directed on the label of the product.

Yes, the MSDS might list warnings and dangers about the product but MSDS's also do about natural unrefined and refined sugar, natural olive oil, standard vegetable oil and a mass of other things we ingest or put onto us.

Almost everything out there has an MSDS sheet now so that a company or maker won't get sued by someone using it for a purpose not intended for that use or overusing the product.

As one totally disabled by a chemical fume, I know chemicals are truly deadly even in the smallest amounts for sometimes even the briefest of exposures. Not just over time in the small exposures as many lead most to believe but even in one brief exposure in any amount.

As for chemicals as a whole, I too say that NO MAN-MADE OR NATURAL CHEMICAL IS TRULY SAFE! Most man-made chemicals are tested so that some dangers are known from them and told to us. Almost all Natural Chemicals and Products do not have to be tested by law and are not tested for any dangers to anyone. (The main reason crude oil is still on the market.)

The natural chemicals that are widely sold without any warnings that really bother me the most now in what we ingest and use everyday. Natural chemicals are not regulated by anyone except by the makers and little is even revealed about them most times except what the maker wishes for the masses to know.

That is all I'm going to say on the above product and as a rebuttal.

Hope this doesn't offend or tick anyone off. I just wanted to state my side again with what I know. Sorry for the length but most hate it when things are run together for reading online.

I don't see what's so terrible about petroleum jelly. According to the MSDS, it's not very flammable, it can be a mild irritant, it can cause diarrhea if too much is ingested, it is not known as carcinogenic, and it does not seem to have any mutinogenic nor reproductive side effects. It does, however, have occlusive, or water-loss blocking properties. In other words, it is not absorbed through the skin or pores and slows down the absorption of water through the skin. Physicians throughout the years have and still prescribe petroleum jelly to be rubbed in the anus to lubricate it before a bowel movement to reduce the strain on hemorrhoids and anal fissures.

And for what it's worth, Robert Chesebrough, the man who discovered petroleum jelly, ate a spoonful a day until he died at the age of 96 years old.

I don't see what's so terrible about petroleum jelly. According to the MSDS, it's not very flammable, it can be a mild irritant, it can cause diarrhea if too much is ingested, it is not known as carcinogenic, and it does not seem to have any mutinogenic nor reproductive side effects. It does, however, have occlusive, or water-loss blocking properties. In other words, it is not absorbed through the skin or pores and slows down the absorption of water through the skin. Physicians throughout the years have and still prescribe petroleum jelly to be rubbed in the anus to lubricate it before a bowel movement to reduce the strain on hemorrhoids and anal fissures.

And for what it's worth, Robert Chesebrough, the man who discovered petroleum jelly, ate a spoonful a day until he died at the age of 96 years old.

Directions on Vaseline say "For external use only."

On th subject of the natural jelly....I have tryed to mix up a batch of it according to Rumels recipe...the problem is i don't find it much slicker that using shea butter all by itself...the mixture seems to get pasty and gritty....i mean it is slick and all..... but is it supposed to be this super slippery stuff or is it the way i decribe.....The Target Ky jelly is very very slippery....is that how the natural jelly is supposed to be??? Like i said i mixed it exactly the way it says...and on my fingers it is pretty slick...but inside me it feels grity....anybody else have this problem???

South-

South7856,

The 'Natural Jelly' is not “..super slippery stuff...”, the commercial products available are more slippery. I don't believe anyone is touting this lubrication for its slippery quality.
As far as any gritty quality, I have not experienced that condition in use. When cool the 'Natural Jelly' may seem a bit stiff (I have subsequently decreased the beeswax portion in my personal mixture) but once warmed to body temperature, mine is silky smooth.
The main points of appeal to me for this home made lube are :
1.) Apparent safety of the ingredients.
2.) Simplicity of the concoction.
3.) Low per use cost.
4.) Long lasting lubrication action.
5.) Limited migration and dilution.
6.) Non-glycerine components don't promote 'urge to purge'
7.) Customizable to personal viscosity preference.

Hi Scorch,
Thank you for the input, that un-petroleoum does not produced the laxative effect at all, was using before k-y for pre-lubing and this lube produced me go to the toilet after awhile or when I'm on the middle of my regular session, my problem with lubes its that even though I injected a good amount of lube and put some lube on my aneros, after a decent time doing my pc contractions and playing I found some kind of diconfort on my anal canal or when my progasm is rubbing against my prostate, still I can not find a good long lasting lube that it keeps my anal canal and my progasm moistured and well until I done with my session, when I feel a disconfort I pulled out my progasm and yes I found that its dry and lubed, I really need a good lube, do you pre-injected some un-petroleoum inside rectum and than put a coat of lube on you aneros, how much pre-lube do you injected inside.
Also, I found out that with other lubes that I don't get any movement with my aneros inside my rectum and consecuently, progasm is just rubbing my prostate dry which it caused some kind of disconfort inside. My last, do you have prefered position when you do you sessions. Any comment or advise on your own will be greatly appreciated. I'm ordering today couple bottles of un-petroleoum to give a try. Thx...

goldman-

How safe is albolene? I've used it as a lube for masturbating although I generally use nothing but my foreskin and my precum - but I know there are millions of guys using albolene for lengthy masturbation sessions ...

also albolene does make a nice anal lubricant - but what is the result of rectal absorption?

... olive oil is safe but fattening LOL - and it's not really viscous

I've used both albolene and olive oil - together and separately for my progasm insertion - as well as my precum

I now generally relax my anal sphincter with a lengthy soak in very warm water (fortunately we have a bidet - which is a tremendous boon to all sexual intercourse vaginal or oral - I hear my wife turn on the bidet faucet upstairs and I'm instantly boned!) - accompanied by a gentle massage of my butthole - and I find anal insertion relatively easy with just a copious smearing of precum on the progasm ...

I think the rectal mucosa does secrete a slippery mucousy slime sufficient for use with aneros - but inadequate for partnered anal play or intercourse (for those so inclined)

... maybe crisco fills the bill

- rip

Being on the "dry-assed" end of the bell shaped curve, a damp Tempo is the first tool I've been able to accommodate and pack without serious lube. As a result of that, I'm always guessing at finding a medically-safe anal lube.

For now I'm using mostly pastuerized Shea+Coconut. My tool box also has SlipperyStuff (gel) for travel. I've adopted Crisco for the smaller tools; and am trying Castor Oil just for the Progasm. There's a bottle of Flax Oil on order despite the nature of it's triglyceride content and it's use in paint years ago.

There's not sufficient long-term information on the effects of lube absorption. The Johns Hopkins study on commercial lubes was limited to just a few men and a very few lubed events. They looked only at rectal and colon irritation and the propagation of the lube. However, it was the first time money was spent to examine lubes for anal play.

The fact that anal lubes migrated way up the colon was a real surprise to me.

The same four months when my anal "diet" was heavy on K-Y and I.D. glycerin lubes I developed severe I.B.S. and following that, my bloodwork showed a 100% increase (doubling) in my Tri-glycerides. When I quit the glycerine lubes the Tri-glycerides fell back to where they had been before I started my journey.

That however isn't good enough to hang a hat on and is just an 'anecdotal event.' It's not enough to damn any particular lube or establish a prejudice against a particular class of lubes.

Hello RipTheJacker, 🙂

How safe is albolene?

My general rule of thumb is if it is not safe to eat, it's not safe to use anally. As the rectum will absorb whatever is put up there. Some more than others. Hence my preference for natural lubes like shea butter. But everyone has different beliefs about what is healthy and right for them.

Love_is

Hi everyone I couldn't resist responding to this thread. After reviewing all the comments about Probe Thick and Rich I order a tube from cheap lube. Hopefully I will receive it in a couple of days and try it out. Anyone else enjoy Probe?

This is the lube that I use. It is great.