Are Poppers Or Weed Really Necessary?

Hi @Spikester, three and a half years in by now and always drugfree, my only "drugs" are Aneros and Aless.

It's been more than two decades ago now, what has been back in my thirties, but admittedly I also remember some stunning out-of-earth orgasms from using Poppers a guy was into, while he gave me some memorable poundings. BUT everytime afterwards I caught a severe flu, something I wouldn't recommend for the time being. After only a few, perhaps three to five experiences of that kind I decided to abstain from it. The other undesirable side effect on me had been, that it weakened my erections - like the relaxing effect to my anus also caused an impact on my stamina.

Even non-smoking I can't give further advice concerning any other drugs. I only remember some few nice sessions that may perhaps have been fueled a bit by a single glas of wine or whiskey, dunno.

After all I prefer an extended invigorating sleep and some cuddling with my blanket and cushion in the morning and letting in some fresh breeze from outside while stretching out in bed for a few more minutes, before I  go for a bathroom visit and come back with my favorite tool inserted and start into my next session. (Believe it or not, writing this description alone makes me clenching my thighs and my pulsating member thrusting.)

Did you ever playfully caress your Aneros tool like a loved one you're full of anticipation to have sex with when lubing it up for insertion? Did you ever cross your hands strumming the fingers of one hand in the palm of the other? Your brain has so many drugs (hormones) to release for you, you only must find your triggers. That's better than drugs to me. 😉

Good vibes! Mart

Drugs are an excellent crutch, but they are by no means necessary to rewire, As many non-drug-users here attest to. I personally really enjoy using drugs, but drugs are not what helped me rewire, rather they have taken me to different places since I’ve been rewired.

I would argue that what is good about drugs and prostate play is not necessarily the physical effects that help you relax, but the psychoactive effects they have. Actually my experience with downers (such as alcohol) and my prostate is that they numb me to the wonderful sensations. And the drugs that do enhance my sessions (marijuana and hallucinogens) by no means are relaxing drugs for me. However the psychoactive effects let my mind wander to places it might not normally, and that with unbridled wonderment and enthousiasm. This sort of letting go is totally possible without drugs: through meditation, self-hypnosis, amygdala clicking (which for me is just another form of meditation or self-hypnosis), and other techniques that allow the mind to leave the mundane behind.

Good question.

I too must stay clean for frequent random drug tests.

4 + years into my Aneros experiences. I have often thought THC might be fun to add to my sessions, when I read of others experiences.  But as I said, no-go for me. 

I have tried different  amounts of wine during my journey, and usually had less interesting sessions when I did.  1/2 to  2 glasses of the wine = less satisfying experiences.   One time, 3 hours after 1 glass,  I did have a good Aneros session, but have never duplicated it. 

Steady awakening progress,  now starting to have really nice sessions with and without Aneros toy.... Especially last 6 months.  The suggestions offered on this forum, and my own curiosity have fueled more consistent, more intense feelings.  

The recent posts about A-Less arousal and morning first awakening sessions, seem to have added turned up the heat....alot.....(thanks Mart)

try these threads:

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/how-to-have-a-less-orgasms-almost-instantly-male-vagus-nerve-orgasms/#post-105484

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https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/do-you-like-early-morning-hours-before-fully-waking/#post-105355

Gently focus on the Ember of energy(where ever it occurs)...

......completely enjoy it  (dont chase it away trying for more).....

..........Repeat....... focus......enjoy..... . . . and on....and on.  .  .   .   .    .   .     .    .

@Spikester71, in response to your thread title "Are Poppers Or Weed Really Necessary?" the simple answer is NO they are not necessary !

Posted by: @buick45571gmail-com

... I have a job where we are randomly tested for drugs.... Are there any alternatives to these where a person wouldn't come up positive for a urinalysis?

Yes, there are a number of techniques which can help raise your arousal and energy levels to aid in achieving orgasmic levels. The first thing that comes to mind is KSMO.

Many men have found the KSMO protocol highly complimentary to their Aneros practice. KSMO is another pathway toward MMO's and for some it may be a more effective path than the Aneros. You may find further information about Jack Johnston's "Key Sound Multiple Orgasm" protocol (KSMO) at his website! For a few threads which discuss this topic please see KSMO questions, KSMO The Male multiple Orgasms & Should I buy the KSMO CD?. There are numerous other threads mentioning the KSMO protocol as well, you could try a search to find some of them.

Another approach is called Holotropic Breathwork. Also, check out the Breathing section in the Aneros WIKI. None of these breathing techniques will register on any drug tests you might have to take.

Should I continue with my sessions with no substances ?

Yes, absolutely, that is the purest form of learning, direct experience, unfettered by potential illusory thoughts/feelings due to psychotropic substances.

Seems like these things seem to help some people in there journey.

Yes, they can help you get out from under your own ego's oppressive, illusory control but they have their own side effects which can have negative consequences. There are numerous threads on this Forum which discuss use of various recreational drugs/substances to augment one's Anerosessions. Cannabis is frequently cited as a substance of choice. A few such threads are "drugs with the Aneros...?, Would pot help a new user?, Weed, Marijuana + Aneros = 🙂 and Marijuana! and Aneros.

One chemical which might be useful, safe and non-detectable in typical drug tests is Nitrous oxide, however, the setup hardware necessary to administer this is probably too expensive for most people.

Good Vibes to You!

Never used anything stronger than alcohol and no desire to either.  It's taken me nearly 2 years so far, but I've made great strides, especially in the last few months. 

Poppers can make you blind, if you think this is an acceptable risk then go for it, but i wont ever try something that could lierally ruin ones life.

Posted by: @theeagleandwolf

Poppers can make you blind, if you think this is an acceptable risk then go for it, but i wont ever try something that could lierally ruin ones life.

... and they're banned in Canada since 2013 FWIW but weed is now legal country-wide. So depending on where you live, the answers will be different.

For example Phenibut could help some people, legal in Canada and the US, banned in Australia, prescription only in Russia where it was developed... I can do a short write up on it if people ask re: aneros use, but there's a lot of info on the web. And it's not that great and can be habit-forming (see my next point).

The way I see it, you must see if anything you use is sustainable, because if it works, you'll want to do it again. Can I see myself having a cup of strong coffee before a session for the next 30 years ? Why not. A shot of whiskey ? Less so, maybe. Pop some mystery pills ? Nah...  Anything illegal ? NO SIR ! Just something to think about.

Oh another example : they banned Salvia Divinarium in Canada in 2018. I never tried it, but I would be very bummed if I depended on it for sessions for years and suddenly could not get it ever again...

Posted by: @zentai

The way I see it, you must see if anything you use is sustainable, because if it works, you'll want to do it again. Can I see myself having a cup of strong coffee before a session for the next 30 years ? Why not. A shot of whiskey ? Less so, maybe. Pop some mystery pills ? Nah...  Anything illegal ? NO SIR ! Just something to think about.

I disagree with this idea. I am willing to try (almost) anything and everything for pleasure's sake, and I don't fear addiction. If I have a wild experience, all the better. BUT that doesn't mean I will go back to it every time. I know certain drugs make my sexual experience different. But I also find plenty of pleasure without drugs. For the comparison: I love decadent chocolate cake with vanilla ice cream, but I don't eat it every day, because once in a while is a enough, and apple crumble tastes good too. With vanilla ice cream still. So varied pleasures is the name of the game, for me.

Also, I believe in using drugs as a way of opening the mind to the realm of what is possible, even when not on drugs. That is, it is possible to remember one's experiences on drugs and "re-create" similar sensations without them.  That is one of the long term benefits of controlled and intermittent drug use. It can help open one's sexuality, as well as open many other parts of one's personality, often for the better.

All that said, it applies to me and others like me, who don't struggle with drug or alcohol addiction, and who already get plenty of pleasure from their prostate or elsewhere. I imagine what you mean is, if someone were ONLY capable of having orgasms with the crutch of drugs, it might not be a good idea. Just as a politician who can't talk in public without having a few drinks might need to figure out the underlying problem before destroying their liver.

Sorry to split hairs. I just think drugs+sex is awesome, and wanted to defend it, because it isn't black and white.

@divine_o

Sorry to split hairs. I just think drugs+sex is awesome, and wanted to defend it, because it isn't black and white.

No need to apologize, I'm pretty much on board with much of what you said.

I did generalize pretty hard on this one, and you're right, I do mean that if the only way for someone to have any fun with their body is while on drugs, they should really take some time off and think about it. Aneros-wise, you can get to the Super-O stone cold sober. I mean, you can do it without the Aneros !

But you DO get high on your own pleasure hormones, so we could argue that all users are on some strong natural drugs during sessions, which I believe is a true statement, and that you can get VERY high, which I also find to be true. So why not add more things to the cocktail ?

I understand from reading a lot of testimonies that drugs can be a fantastic help if you're smart about usage. Some people won't know they are not smart until it's too late, or as you say, some have addictive personalities. I posted on another thread about sessions taking over my life a short while ago, so yeah, I'm in that category and my comment and warnings about "sustainability" comes from that experience. 

I'm also saying, depending on your situation you'll get access to different substances from different sources, and I don't believe in promoting illegal things, even when I think the laws are stupid. My boss won't care about my Aneros journey when he shows me the door because I failed some random drug test, but almost everyone else is on pain meds, anxiety pills or antidepressants and that's perfectly fine ? That's a sad state of affairs and I'd probably try a lot more things (carefully) if more substances were legal. Oh well... just be careful out there people and experiment responsibly, that's all I'm sayin'. 

Posted by: @zentai

I'm also saying, depending on your situation you'll get access to different substances from different sources, and I don't believe in promoting illegal things, even when I think the laws are stupid. My boss won't care about my Aneros journey when he shows me the door because I failed some random drug test, but almost everyone else is on pain meds, anxiety pills or antidepressants and that's perfectly fine ? That's a sad state of affairs and I'd probably try a lot more things (carefully) if more substances were legal. Oh well... just be careful out there people and experiment responsibly, that's all I'm sayin'. 

Yup, most countries have it backwards. Penalization of drugs creates an underground market because no country as a whole is going to stop using drugs (except possibly under threat of death penalty? but those countries are generally dictatorships...). Which leads to more crime, not less, since the market is no longer controllable. And it leads to more overdoses, because no one knows for sure what they are using.

I have no qualms promoting certain non-addictive illegal drugs. I mean, governments are fine with pharmaceutical companies and doctors promoting the use of legal drugs that enrich a select few while causing a generation of addicts.  Why should they care if someone "expands their mind" with some mushrooms, or dances their ass off on mdma?  Or sees god for 5-10 minutes with a hit of DMT. Especially given the next-to-nil mortality-rate for those types of drugs, and lack of side effects worse than a hangover. Wait a second, non-addictive drugs... no real money to be made... no one lobbying in their favor. hmmm.

But yeah, sexual pleasure is as strong as the strongest drugs I've ever tried!